Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)
Discussion
jshell said:
dandarez said:
robinessex said:
Extinction Rebellion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NSkQyQLvW4
These are the idiots trying to influence governments
Jesus Wept! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NSkQyQLvW4
These are the idiots trying to influence governments
Incidentally, ER are not idiots - they are anarchists (simply look up the backgrounds of these d
heads!)As for Dr Rupert Read.
What a f
king fruitcake! He should not be allowed in the same room as impressionable children under 12.His crackpot book is not subtle, nor or his crackpot lectures. No question marks from this d
head, it's the end, full stop. He tells these young children that they might not live much longer.
The utter s
te from this cult, and it is a cult, and full of prophets of doom amazingly gets attention from so-called 'intelligent' people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adAaWY3h0uc
Addressing young kids with 'You're gonna die young...!!'
You couldn't make this highly wicked and irresponsible brainwashing s
te up. But they do! It would be laughable, if it was not so worrying. Unf
king believable. The lunatic asylum needs its doors re-opening.
XR are indeed changing the world
durbster said:
MX6 said:
Is there actually still even a debate about this, in 2019? Despite all the scientific evidence that's been accumulated that supports climate change and indeed anthropogenic global warming? There appears to be a political consensus on this, there is no meaningful debate.
We know that human activity has caused and is causing large greenhouse gas emissions, we know these activities have coincided with a sharp rise in greenhouse gases measured in the earths atmosphere, we know these greenhouse gases have a warming effect in the lab and in the earths atmosphere.
Of course there isn't. We know that human activity has caused and is causing large greenhouse gas emissions, we know these activities have coincided with a sharp rise in greenhouse gases measured in the earths atmosphere, we know these greenhouse gases have a warming effect in the lab and in the earths atmosphere.
Debate on this thread is simply a handful of people finding ever more elaborate ways to cling to their increasingly implausible conspiracy theory.
They're starved of new material because reality has long since overwhelmed it all so the poor buggers are stuck in a loop, repeating the same arguments over and over into a bemused void. I mean, even the 1970s global cooling nonsense has been dredged up again today despite being debunked more times than I can remember
It's more of a psychology case study on confirmation bias and the effectiveness of propaganda than anything to do with climate change and has been for years
ks, no matter how much you claim otherwise. I don't believe by the way in your tenuous conspiracy stuff, CC fails on commonsense, logic and skepticism. Always will. As for propaganda, I don't think anyone will ever outdo the 'only 12yrs to planet Amrmagedhon' rubbish. All past CC scare stories were 100% failures and will continue to be.PS. Did you send your present list to Father Christmas in never-never land yet? He must be true, millions of kids around the planet believe in him
Edited by robinessex on Wednesday 11th December 20:53
Looking at Australia they had very large floods in Queensland that could be associated with climate in early 2019 and also had bush fires in Tasmania at the same time that also could be.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-4711204...
"The heat has sparked bushfires, including more than 40 blazes on the island state of Tasmania which have been burning for over two weeks."
And yet it is only when it's in "my back yard" ie populated Sydney it becomes a climate thing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-5074841...
They are not really complaining about it happening. Just that it is happening where they live and they are affected. Such are the whims and whiles of humans.
In the old days people might have asked for fire fighting measures to be improved, in a practical sort of way.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-4711204...
"The heat has sparked bushfires, including more than 40 blazes on the island state of Tasmania which have been burning for over two weeks."
And yet it is only when it's in "my back yard" ie populated Sydney it becomes a climate thing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-5074841...
They are not really complaining about it happening. Just that it is happening where they live and they are affected. Such are the whims and whiles of humans.
In the old days people might have asked for fire fighting measures to be improved, in a practical sort of way.
durbster said:
They're starved of new material because reality has long since overwhelmed it all so the poor buggers are stuck in a loop, repeating the same arguments over and over into a bemused void. I mean, even the 1970s global cooling nonsense has been dredged up again today despite being debunked more times than I can remember
Indeed it has durbster.You did understand why that short film has significance though don't you?
There are two reasons that are quite simple to identify.
Have a go.
Chester35 said:
Looking at Australia they had very large floods in Queensland that could be associated with climate in early 2019 and also had bush fires in Tasmania at the same time that also could be.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-4711204...
"The heat has sparked bushfires, including more than 40 blazes on the island state of Tasmania which have been burning for over two weeks."
And yet it is only when it's in "my back yard" ie populated Sydney it becomes a climate thing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-5074841...
They are not really complaining about it happening. Just that it is happening where they live and they are affected. Such are the whims and whiles of humans.
In the old days people might have asked for fire fighting measures to be improved, in a practical sort of way.
So how does a few degrees hotter than normal 'spark bushfires'? Wood has to be bloody hot before it spontaneously combusts. More likely that an unrelated event started it all off, it matters little how hot it is, tinder-dry, and it catches alight. Common causes of bushfires include lightning, arcing from overhead power lines, arson, accidental ignition in the course of agricultural clearing, grinding and welding activities, campfires, cigarettes and dropped matches, sparks from machinery, and controlled burn escapes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-4711204...
"The heat has sparked bushfires, including more than 40 blazes on the island state of Tasmania which have been burning for over two weeks."
And yet it is only when it's in "my back yard" ie populated Sydney it becomes a climate thing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-5074841...
They are not really complaining about it happening. Just that it is happening where they live and they are affected. Such are the whims and whiles of humans.
In the old days people might have asked for fire fighting measures to be improved, in a practical sort of way.
As fires continue to burn in different parts of Australia, investigators work to provide answers on the exact causes of devastating blazes.
Last week we learnt that the Binna Burra fire, which destroyed the historic Binna Burra Lodge in South East Queensland, was started by a carelessly discarded cigarette.
And the Gold Coast hinterland bushfires the week before may have been started by army live-firing exercises at the Kokoda Barracks, a spokesperson for the Australian Defence Force has conceded.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-11-20/bus...
Naturalist and presenter David Bellamy dies at 86
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
jshell said:
How can Nuclear not be 'green', or is it an Inconvenient Truth?
While most of the EU countries have been concentrating on CO2 emissions - hence the reason the green deal would block government support of new coal energy projects - Germany has been desperately lobbying to have the green deal block government support of new nuclear energy projects, while simultaneously lobbying to have natural gas labelled green and eligible for government subsidies.The problem is that Germany's position has proven unreconcilable to most of the other EU countries. If new nuclear is considered too dirty, then how can you consider natural gas a better option when the proximate political problem is CO2, and many countries have ambitions to wind down natural gas usage.
Germany has always had a strong anti-nuclear movement, as despite the industrial nature of the country there is a surprising amount of technophobia. There have also been strong links between the German government and natural gas interests - case in point is former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder (responsible for bringing in large amounts of Russian gas and oil to Germany), who is now chairman of the board at Rosneft and also chairman of the board of Nord Stream (the owner of the pipelines mentioned earlier).
robinessex said:
Naturalist and presenter David Bellamy dies at 86
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
RIP, seemed a nice chap, but I'm afraid he lost the plot on global warming for some reason.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
Kawasicki said:
durbster said:
the 1970s global cooling nonsense has been dredged up again today despite being debunked more times than I can remember
It hasn’t been debunked. You repeating that it has also doesn’t mean that it has.The theory that changes in concentration of elements in the atmosphere could cool the planet is sound; it's the same physics as warming.
But the conspiracy theory version of events - that for absolutely no reason, climate scientists made up global cooling then changed their minds to warming because it was a bit hotter the next year - has comprehensively been debunked. Not least because it's ridiculous and doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
But it's all been done before, ignored and resurrected over and over to ensure Pistonhead's most ridiculous thread goes on and on.
robinessex said:
Chester35 said:
Looking at Australia they had very large floods in Queensland that could be associated with climate in early 2019 and also had bush fires in Tasmania at the same time that also could be.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-4711204...
"The heat has sparked bushfires, including more than 40 blazes on the island state of Tasmania which have been burning for over two weeks."
And yet it is only when it's in "my back yard" ie populated Sydney it becomes a climate thing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-5074841...
They are not really complaining about it happening. Just that it is happening where they live and they are affected. Such are the whims and whiles of humans.
In the old days people might have asked for fire fighting measures to be improved, in a practical sort of way.
So how does a few degrees hotter than normal 'spark bushfires'? Wood has to be bloody hot before it spontaneously combusts. More likely that an unrelated event started it all off, it matters little how hot it is, tinder-dry, and it catches alight. Common causes of bushfires include lightning, arcing from overhead power lines, arson, accidental ignition in the course of agricultural clearing, grinding and welding activities, campfires, cigarettes and dropped matches, sparks from machinery, and controlled burn escapes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-4711204...
"The heat has sparked bushfires, including more than 40 blazes on the island state of Tasmania which have been burning for over two weeks."
And yet it is only when it's in "my back yard" ie populated Sydney it becomes a climate thing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-5074841...
They are not really complaining about it happening. Just that it is happening where they live and they are affected. Such are the whims and whiles of humans.
In the old days people might have asked for fire fighting measures to be improved, in a practical sort of way.
As fires continue to burn in different parts of Australia, investigators work to provide answers on the exact causes of devastating blazes.
Last week we learnt that the Binna Burra fire, which destroyed the historic Binna Burra Lodge in South East Queensland, was started by a carelessly discarded cigarette.
And the Gold Coast hinterland bushfires the week before may have been started by army live-firing exercises at the Kokoda Barracks, a spokesperson for the Australian Defence Force has conceded.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-11-20/bus...
Meanwhile.
Eucalyptus trees.
California.
This makes for an interesting read. Human actions, obviously. Notably importing a lot of non-native Eucalyptus variants to California in the past 150+ years.
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/trees/...
"These hardy plants have delightfully scented, volatile oil in all parts of the plant. The tree sheds bark and dead leaves, which make a perfect pile of tinder under the tree too. When the oils in the tree heat up, the plant releases flammable gas, which ignites into a fireball. This accelerates the eucalyptus fire hazards in a region and discourages firefighting efforts. Removal of the trees has been recommended largely due to eucalyptus fire damage but also because they are taking the place of native species. The plants are considered dangerous in fire prone areas because of their habit of shooting sparks if they catch fire. Eucalyptus oil and fire are a match made in heaven from the fire’s perspective but a nightmare for those of us in its path."
Read more at Gardening Know How: Eucalyptus Fire Hazards: Are Eucalyptus Trees Flammable https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/trees/...
The medical benefits and a more Aussie centred article.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/plants-and-animals/pl...
This is an especially interesting section.
"Baron Ferdinand von Miller, a German botanist and explorer, was responsible for making the properties of eucalyptus known to the world in the mid-1800s. Likening eucalyptus' scent to that of cajaput oil (a disinfectant), von Miller suggested that eucalyptus might also be used as a disinfectant in fever districts. Seeds of the tree were sent to Algiers, France and planted. The trees thrived and, because of the drying action of the roots, turned one of the marshiest areas of Algiers into a dry and healthy environment, thereby driving away malaria-carrying mosquitoes. Eucalyptus trees were then planted in temperate areas around the world to prevent malaria . As a result, eucalyptus trees are now cultivated in China, India, Portugal, Spain, Egypt, South and North Africa, Algeria, South America, and in the southern portion of the United States.
The previous owners of our had planted a Eucalyptus tree. They had lived here about 3 years. It was quite big by then. When it was about 18 yearss old it was far taller than the house and the leaf litter and the bark shedding produced a lot of hardly biodegradable material. The roots dramatically dried the garden area and the grass was very poor. Roots headed in all directions - into a neighbours garden for example. The tree was right on the boundary line.
Being a keen gardener he stared to eliminate the roots in order to dig flower beds.
We had the tree removed due to it being a potential safety risk due to its height and the neighbour's desire to eliminate the root system on his land.
The Blue Mountains in Oz are a great sight and I fully understand why people would want to live there rather then a huge city and live with the risk and the constant roadside reminders about the risks. But the human influence on any increasing fire rate is likely due much more to human presence rather than any small change in temperature. The gums are particularly susceptible to fire and appear to be quite competent at recovering from its effects in just a few years.
Of course that, whilst known, goes entirely against the required narrative and so seems never to be discussed - at least not in this part of the world. (UK)
durbster said:
Kawasicki said:
durbster said:
the 1970s global cooling nonsense has been dredged up again today despite being debunked more times than I can remember
It hasn’t been debunked. You repeating that it has also doesn’t mean that it has.The theory that changes in concentration of elements in the atmosphere could cool the planet is sound; it's the same physics as warming.
But the conspiracy theory version of events - that for absolutely no reason, climate scientists made up global cooling then changed their minds to warming because it was a bit hotter the next year - has comprehensively been debunked. Not least because it's ridiculous and doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
But it's all been done before, ignored and resurrected over and over to ensure Pistonhead's most ridiculous thread goes on and on.
kerplunk said:
robinessex said:
Naturalist and presenter David Bellamy dies at 86
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
RIP, seemed a nice chap, but I'm afraid he lost the plot on global warming for some reason.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
durbster said:
Kawasicki said:
durbster said:
the 1970s global cooling nonsense has been dredged up again today despite being debunked more times than I can remember
It hasn’t been debunked. You repeating that it has also doesn’t mean that it has.The theory that changes in concentration of elements in the atmosphere could cool the planet is sound; it's the same physics as warming.
But the conspiracy theory version of events - that for absolutely no reason, climate scientists made up global cooling then changed their minds to warming because it was a bit hotter the next year - has comprehensively been debunked. Not least because it's ridiculous and doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
But it's all been done before, ignored and resurrected over and over to ensure Pistonhead's most ridiculous thread goes on and on.
dickymint said:
kerplunk said:
robinessex said:
Naturalist and presenter David Bellamy dies at 86
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
RIP, seemed a nice chap, but I'm afraid he lost the plot on global warming for some reason.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
Cherry picking data, why?
https://www.climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au/en/cli...
https://youtu.be/WppbuIoyXdg
From the early days after climategate when the Russians were complaining that a group of very cold temperatures had been removed from the global data base it appears a regular tactic in reporting temperatures.
https://www.climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au/en/cli...
https://youtu.be/WppbuIoyXdg
From the early days after climategate when the Russians were complaining that a group of very cold temperatures had been removed from the global data base it appears a regular tactic in reporting temperatures.
kerplunk said:
It's sad - he was respected, he had scientific credentials, but it looks like he formed his views on global warming from the distorted misrepresentations of the science in the denialosphere - because he didn't like wind turbines. Past caring now though
Erm what denialsphere? That is a conspiracy theory right there.kerplunk said:
robinessex said:
Naturalist and presenter David Bellamy dies at 86
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
RIP, seemed a nice chap, but I'm afraid he lost the plot on global warming for some reason.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50752089
Naturalist and broadcaster David Bellamy has died aged 86, the Conservation Foundation he formed says.
London-born Bellamy, who became a household name as a TV personality, scientist and conservationist, died on Wednesday, according to the foundation.
His colleague, David Shreeve, described him as a "larger-than-life character" who "inspired a whole generation".
In later life Bellamy, who lived in County Durham, attracted criticism for dismissing global warming.
In 2004 he described it as "poppycock" - a stance which he later said cost him his TV career.
In more recent years, Bellamy was criticised for his views on global warming.
In 2003, he told BBC News that he was sceptical about mankind being responsible for rising temperatures and suggested that they might be part of the Earth's natural cycles.
He said: "We have got to get this thing argued out in public properly and not just take one opinion."
Ten years later, he told the Independent newspaper: "It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."......continues
t, and wasn't afraid to say so.Climate change: Anger as protesters barred from UN talks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-507...
Environmentalists and observers have been barred from UN climate talks in Madrid after a protest inside the conference.
Around 200 climate campaigners were ejected after staging a sit in, preventing access to one of the negotiating halls.
Protesters said they were "pushed, bullied and touched without consent."
In the wake of the disruption all other observers were then barred from the talks.
Observers play an important role in the talks, representing civil society. They are allowed to sit in on negotiations and have access to negotiators on condition that they do not reveal the contents of those discussions......continues
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-507...
Environmentalists and observers have been barred from UN climate talks in Madrid after a protest inside the conference.
Around 200 climate campaigners were ejected after staging a sit in, preventing access to one of the negotiating halls.
Protesters said they were "pushed, bullied and touched without consent."
In the wake of the disruption all other observers were then barred from the talks.
Observers play an important role in the talks, representing civil society. They are allowed to sit in on negotiations and have access to negotiators on condition that they do not reveal the contents of those discussions......continues
Jinx said:
kerplunk said:
It's sad - he was respected, he had scientific credentials, but it looks like he formed his views on global warming from the distorted misrepresentations of the science in the denialosphere - because he didn't like wind turbines. Past caring now though
Erm what denialsphere? That is a conspiracy theory right there.Science most politicians will never see tells it as it is.
Varotsos and Efstathiou in Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics (2019) "it is not possible to reliably support the view of the presence of global warming in the sense of an enhanced greenhouse effect due to human activities" Full paper link:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/...
McKitrick and Christy in Earth & Space Science (2018) showing that the difference between actual data and agw climate model predictions is significant such that the agw null hypothesis must be rejected "the major hypothesis in contemporary climate models...is incorrect". The link is to a web version of the full paper:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/1...
Fleming in Environmental Earth Sciences (2018) "The results of this review point to the extreme value of CO2 to all life forms, but no role of CO2 in any significant change of the Earth’s climate." A link to the abstract follows:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12665-0...
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