Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)
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Climate campaigners win Heathrow expansion case
Controversial plans for a third runway at Heathrow Airport have been thrown into doubt after a court ruling.
The government's decision to allow the expansion was unlawful because it did not take climate commitments into account, the Court of Appeal said.
Heathrow said it would challenge the decision, but the government said it would not appeal.
The judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate policy.
The case was brought by environmental groups, councils and the Mayor of London..................continues
Serves the government(s) right for procrastinating over it for so long.
Controversial plans for a third runway at Heathrow Airport have been thrown into doubt after a court ruling.
The government's decision to allow the expansion was unlawful because it did not take climate commitments into account, the Court of Appeal said.
Heathrow said it would challenge the decision, but the government said it would not appeal.
The judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate policy.
The case was brought by environmental groups, councils and the Mayor of London..................continues
Serves the government(s) right for procrastinating over it for so long.
Drax power station to cease burning coal in March 2021
Energy company Drax is to stop burning coal at its North Yorkshire power station - once one of western Europe's biggest polluters - from March 2021.
It says it will then close its two coal units in September 2022 with the loss of 230 jobs at the site near Selby.
The move comes ahead of a government ban on coal-fired electricity in 2025.
Drax said it had held discussions with the National Grid, the regulator and the government before deciding to end commercial coal generation.
"Ending the use of coal at Drax is a landmark in our continued efforts to transform the business and become a world-leading carbon negative company by 2030," said chief executive Will Gardiner........continues
I'm off to the woods with my chainsaw then.
Burn loads of wood from freshly curt down trees that probably will never be replaced, good
Burn lots of wood that's now coal, bad
Energy company Drax is to stop burning coal at its North Yorkshire power station - once one of western Europe's biggest polluters - from March 2021.
It says it will then close its two coal units in September 2022 with the loss of 230 jobs at the site near Selby.
The move comes ahead of a government ban on coal-fired electricity in 2025.
Drax said it had held discussions with the National Grid, the regulator and the government before deciding to end commercial coal generation.
"Ending the use of coal at Drax is a landmark in our continued efforts to transform the business and become a world-leading carbon negative company by 2030," said chief executive Will Gardiner........continues
I'm off to the woods with my chainsaw then.
Burn loads of wood from freshly curt down trees that probably will never be replaced, good
Burn lots of wood that's now coal, bad
robinessex said:
Climate campaigners win Heathrow expansion case
Controversial plans for a third runway at Heathrow Airport have been thrown into doubt after a court ruling.
The government's decision to allow the expansion was unlawful because it did not take climate commitments into account, the Court of Appeal said.
Heathrow said it would challenge the decision, but the government said it would not appeal.
The judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate policy.
The case was brought by environmental groups, councils and the Mayor of London..................continues
Serves the government(s) right for procrastinating over it for so long.
Repeal the CCA and jobs a good'un.Controversial plans for a third runway at Heathrow Airport have been thrown into doubt after a court ruling.
The government's decision to allow the expansion was unlawful because it did not take climate commitments into account, the Court of Appeal said.
Heathrow said it would challenge the decision, but the government said it would not appeal.
The judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate policy.
The case was brought by environmental groups, councils and the Mayor of London..................continues
Serves the government(s) right for procrastinating over it for so long.
Climate change: Pressure on big investors to act on environment
Ever wondered if your bank or insurance company is funding the coal industry? Or whether your pension fund is backing oil companies drilling new wells in the Arctic?
Investors are facing scrutiny like never before about what they're doing to tackle climate change. And the Bank of England has now launched a push to engage the entire business world.
The aim is to get every company, large or small, to think about global warming as a normal part of their decision-making. And the hope is this will encourage them to come up with plans to become carbon neutral or "net zero".
This comes amid a flurry of climate announcements from some very big corporate names.
The oil giant BP has pledged to be net zero by 2050 and the world's largest asset manager, Blackrock, has warned companies that it won't invest in them unless they try to decarbonise.
There's a series of moves to involve private finance in the run-up to the crucial COP26 climate summit in Glasgow later this year..........continues
Just as big a disaster as above. Have all these people seriously thought this through?
Ever wondered if your bank or insurance company is funding the coal industry? Or whether your pension fund is backing oil companies drilling new wells in the Arctic?
Investors are facing scrutiny like never before about what they're doing to tackle climate change. And the Bank of England has now launched a push to engage the entire business world.
The aim is to get every company, large or small, to think about global warming as a normal part of their decision-making. And the hope is this will encourage them to come up with plans to become carbon neutral or "net zero".
This comes amid a flurry of climate announcements from some very big corporate names.
The oil giant BP has pledged to be net zero by 2050 and the world's largest asset manager, Blackrock, has warned companies that it won't invest in them unless they try to decarbonise.
There's a series of moves to involve private finance in the run-up to the crucial COP26 climate summit in Glasgow later this year..........continues
Just as big a disaster as above. Have all these people seriously thought this through?
When my company had to submit a "Climate Policy" when bidding for some work with a large well known firm... I bet it was the first that didn't tow the PC line!
It actually helped de-stress me as I hammered away at the keyboard about tectonic plates, volcanoes, precession, historical values, selective records, un-real expectation and timelines ... I could go on. And did.
p.s. I got the job!
It actually helped de-stress me as I hammered away at the keyboard about tectonic plates, volcanoes, precession, historical values, selective records, un-real expectation and timelines ... I could go on. And did.
p.s. I got the job!
El stovey said:
durbster said:
I have wondered about several posters in here before. It's happened a few times when somebody's on the ropes and suddenly there's an influx of accounts coming to protect them, who disappear just as quickly. Propaganda accounts are rife on social media but I'm not sure PH has the reach to make that worthwhile.
But ultimately, that's probably less harmful than the relentless misrepresenting of scientist's work.
They’re always the same, “I’ve been a long time lurker on PHs but I now feel compelled to suddenly join in and post loads about climate politics and support turbobloke” But ultimately, that's probably less harmful than the relentless misrepresenting of scientist's work.
Then this classic yesterday
“Posting style may be similar but thats probably because Ive read a lot of his posts”
Typically: agw support posts = personal angle / attack = no compelling empirical evidence = very reassuring (still).
Meanwhile in the world of climate politics - 'climate activists' (see above) refuse to credit Trump as USA emissions fall by a world leading 2.9%.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/25/d...
Meanwhile in the world of climate politics - 'climate activists' (see above) refuse to credit Trump as USA emissions fall by a world leading 2.9%.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/25/d...
Link said:
“Have they given the President credit for anything since taking office? It’s not surprising,” said Austin Hacker, spokesman for the Republicans on the House Natural Resource Committee.
As usual...there will be weather in all locations today and all of it is climate wibble.robinessex said:
Climate change: Pressure on big investors to act on environment
Ever wondered if your bank or insurance company is funding the coal industry? Or whether your pension fund is backing oil companies drilling new wells in the Arctic?
Investors are facing scrutiny like never before about what they're doing to tackle climate change. And the Bank of England has now launched a push to engage the entire business world.
The aim is to get every company, large or small, to think about global warming as a normal part of their decision-making. And the hope is this will encourage them to come up with plans to become carbon neutral or "net zero".
This comes amid a flurry of climate announcements from some very big corporate names.
The oil giant BP has pledged to be net zero by 2050 and the world's largest asset manager, Blackrock, has warned companies that it won't invest in them unless they try to decarbonise.
There's a series of moves to involve private finance in the run-up to the crucial COP26 climate summit in Glasgow later this year..........continues
Just as big a disaster as above. Have all these people seriously thought this through?
Interested in your thoughts on this Robin, what have these people missed?Ever wondered if your bank or insurance company is funding the coal industry? Or whether your pension fund is backing oil companies drilling new wells in the Arctic?
Investors are facing scrutiny like never before about what they're doing to tackle climate change. And the Bank of England has now launched a push to engage the entire business world.
The aim is to get every company, large or small, to think about global warming as a normal part of their decision-making. And the hope is this will encourage them to come up with plans to become carbon neutral or "net zero".
This comes amid a flurry of climate announcements from some very big corporate names.
The oil giant BP has pledged to be net zero by 2050 and the world's largest asset manager, Blackrock, has warned companies that it won't invest in them unless they try to decarbonise.
There's a series of moves to involve private finance in the run-up to the crucial COP26 climate summit in Glasgow later this year..........continues
Just as big a disaster as above. Have all these people seriously thought this through?
Great speech by Senator Roberts yesterday, love him or loathe him he won't roll over like the other self fulfilling politicians! If only we had someone like him in the UK instead of our pathetic puppets. This is basic science, but it's a safe bet most MP's won't know it, and they're the people who are forming the policies to send the UK back to the dark ages, possibly bankrupting the country by 2050 based on carbon dioxide ignorance...
Senator Roberts said:
Let me give you a few more facts, because it is an absolutely ridiculous proposition to bury life-giving carbon dioxide in the ground and, worse, to do it at enormous cost. Firstly, let's get the term correct. The Labor Party and the Greens keep referring to carbon dioxide, essential for all life on earth, as carbon pollution. I'll ask you all to think about the term 'pollution' in a minute.
SNIP
What that means—if senators stop and pause and think, in serving the people of Australia—is that it doesn't matter if humans cut our carbon dioxide output, because the oceans will dictate the level in the atmosphere. Senator Sterle talked about greenhouse gas storage and capture. It's a nonsense. It doesn't matter how much we pump into the ground and take away from the plants, it will not affect the level in the atmosphere, but it will cost us—and I will give you the explanation later in this speech. It cost 1.3 billion just for one series of burials for carbon dioxide from power stations and cement plants in Norway.
Every single person in this chamber right now takes in air with 0.04 per cent of carbon dioxide and we're all breathing out four to five per cent, that is we're increasing the carbon dioxide levels in our air by 100 times or more. You, according to the Greens' senators, are all carbon polluters.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=500024094263147SNIP
What that means—if senators stop and pause and think, in serving the people of Australia—is that it doesn't matter if humans cut our carbon dioxide output, because the oceans will dictate the level in the atmosphere. Senator Sterle talked about greenhouse gas storage and capture. It's a nonsense. It doesn't matter how much we pump into the ground and take away from the plants, it will not affect the level in the atmosphere, but it will cost us—and I will give you the explanation later in this speech. It cost 1.3 billion just for one series of burials for carbon dioxide from power stations and cement plants in Norway.
Every single person in this chamber right now takes in air with 0.04 per cent of carbon dioxide and we're all breathing out four to five per cent, that is we're increasing the carbon dioxide levels in our air by 100 times or more. You, according to the Greens' senators, are all carbon polluters.
LittleBigPlanet said:
robinessex said:
Climate change: Pressure on big investors to act on environment
Ever wondered if your bank or insurance company is funding the coal industry? Or whether your pension fund is backing oil companies drilling new wells in the Arctic?
Investors are facing scrutiny like never before about what they're doing to tackle climate change. And the Bank of England has now launched a push to engage the entire business world.
The aim is to get every company, large or small, to think about global warming as a normal part of their decision-making. And the hope is this will encourage them to come up with plans to become carbon neutral or "net zero".
This comes amid a flurry of climate announcements from some very big corporate names.
The oil giant BP has pledged to be net zero by 2050 and the world's largest asset manager, Blackrock, has warned companies that it won't invest in them unless they try to decarbonise.
There's a series of moves to involve private finance in the run-up to the crucial COP26 climate summit in Glasgow later this year..........continues
Just as big a disaster as above. Have all these people seriously thought this through?
Interested in your thoughts on this Robin, what have these people missed?Ever wondered if your bank or insurance company is funding the coal industry? Or whether your pension fund is backing oil companies drilling new wells in the Arctic?
Investors are facing scrutiny like never before about what they're doing to tackle climate change. And the Bank of England has now launched a push to engage the entire business world.
The aim is to get every company, large or small, to think about global warming as a normal part of their decision-making. And the hope is this will encourage them to come up with plans to become carbon neutral or "net zero".
This comes amid a flurry of climate announcements from some very big corporate names.
The oil giant BP has pledged to be net zero by 2050 and the world's largest asset manager, Blackrock, has warned companies that it won't invest in them unless they try to decarbonise.
There's a series of moves to involve private finance in the run-up to the crucial COP26 climate summit in Glasgow later this year..........continues
Just as big a disaster as above. Have all these people seriously thought this through?
It's all a left wing conspiracy and Blackrock et al are just jumping on the bandwagon.
robinessex said:
Climate campaigners win Heathrow expansion case
Controversial plans for a third runway at Heathrow Airport have been thrown into doubt after a court ruling.
The government's decision to allow the expansion was unlawful because it did not take climate commitments into account, the Court of Appeal said.
Heathrow said it would challenge the decision, but the government said it would not appeal.
The judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate policy.
The case was brought by environmental groups, councils and the Mayor of London..................continues
Serves the government(s) right for procrastinating over it for so long.
No point in building a runway if the whole airport will have to close by 2050.Controversial plans for a third runway at Heathrow Airport have been thrown into doubt after a court ruling.
The government's decision to allow the expansion was unlawful because it did not take climate commitments into account, the Court of Appeal said.
Heathrow said it would challenge the decision, but the government said it would not appeal.
The judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate policy.
The case was brought by environmental groups, councils and the Mayor of London..................continues
Serves the government(s) right for procrastinating over it for so long.
https://ukfires.org/absolute-zero/
UK Fires is a collaboration between the universities of Cambridge, Oxford, Nottingham, Bath and Imperial College London. We are funded by EPSRC. The Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council is the main funding body for engineering and physical sciences research in the UK. By investing and postgraduate training, we are building the knowledge and skills needed to address the scientific and technological challenges facing the nation.
Edited by gareth_r on Thursday 27th February 20:33
gareth_r said:
No point in building a runway if the whole airport will have to close by 2050.
https://ukfires.org/absolute-zero/
UK Fires is a collaboration between the universities of Cambridge, Oxford, Nottingham, Bath and Imperial College London. We are funded by EPSRC. The Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council is the main funding body for engineering and physical sciences research in the UK. By investing and postgraduate training, we are building the knowledge and skills needed to address the scientific and technological challenges facing the nation.
Well that’s an eye opener, I thought they were going to use magic! https://ukfires.org/absolute-zero/
UK Fires is a collaboration between the universities of Cambridge, Oxford, Nottingham, Bath and Imperial College London. We are funded by EPSRC. The Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council is the main funding body for engineering and physical sciences research in the UK. By investing and postgraduate training, we are building the knowledge and skills needed to address the scientific and technological challenges facing the nation.
Edited by gareth_r on Thursday 27th February 20:33
El stovey said:
Heathrow (and Gatwick) expansion have been delayed with endless consultations by all the previous governments, largely due to politics associated with noise and the disruption caused by the expansion.
Heathrow with the approach paths being over London is especially unpopular with voters. Both Heathrow and Gatwick needed new runways ten years ago.
Although environmental concerns may be cited over delaying expansion yet again, I doubt it will mean other infrastructure plans would automatically suffer the same fate.
Heathrow with the approach paths being over London is especially unpopular with voters. Both Heathrow and Gatwick needed new runways ten years ago.
Although environmental concerns may be cited over delaying expansion yet again, I doubt it will mean other infrastructure plans would automatically suffer the same fate.
El stovey said:
I wonder what new big infrastructure projects the government will be pushing through? All of them will meet the same resistance.
The conservatives can’t be the party that’s serious about emissions targets and infrastructure project spending. There’s going to be conflict with these different pledges.
Boris talks about the U.K. becoming a leader in new environmental technology maybe that’s where these projects will be? Or maybe none of them will happen?
It's bullsThe conservatives can’t be the party that’s serious about emissions targets and infrastructure project spending. There’s going to be conflict with these different pledges.
Boris talks about the U.K. becoming a leader in new environmental technology maybe that’s where these projects will be? Or maybe none of them will happen?
t though, the expansion of air travel will continue but the new routes will go to CdG/Schipol/Frankfurt instead and the UK economy will relatively stagnate, simply because those governments actually had the balls to build/expand runway capacity when it was needed rather than the UK way of talking about it for 50+years but not actually doing it. The UK is investing a lot of money in making aircraft more efficient and in technology which may result in a zero emission airliner but it's not likely to mature very soon, there might be short-haul liners in service in quantity by 2050 but there's a vanishingly small prospect of similar long haul liners in that time scale so zero carbon by 2050 is basically wish-thinking of a very stupid kind.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff