Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)
Discussion
El stovey said:
Gadgetmac said:
As if by magic the Marxist plot appears almost before I've had time to make my post.
I've got to buy a lottery ticket tonight.
I hope turbobloke is actually getting paid by someone for continuing to spout this misleading nonsense. Years of lying and misrepresenting scientists and doctoring quotes and hiding sources of his ”data”.I've got to buy a lottery ticket tonight.
Shown up time and time again on the climate threads for trying to deceive people. It can’t just be based on an irrational hatred of lefties, it must be a job. Maybe he’s one of the lucky ones, getting paid for his hobby.
it's something I've said myself on these threads before. The sheer volume of his posts and links and the time frame over which they are submitted to these threads demonstrates that he doesn't work for a living so presumably had to be getting an income from somewhere.Exxon are most generous I understand.
A faithful journo sets out on a same old leftist crusade-by-climate and ends up 'accidentally' making the case for fossil fuels and strong capitalist economies. Good sport 
https://www.dw.com/en/climate-change-reinforces-th...
The tragedies listed could more often be averted with strong economies benefiting from cheap energy industrially and domestically, resources matter. The poor people in Spain are less likely to cope (not more) in the economic wasteland a succession of incompetent climate concerned EU plus southern European governments have created and - far worse - in the devastation arising from happy clappy hippy marxism as pushed by puppet school skippers.
https://www.dw.com/en/climate-change-reinforces-th...
The tragedies listed could more often be averted with strong economies benefiting from cheap energy industrially and domestically, resources matter. The poor people in Spain are less likely to cope (not more) in the economic wasteland a succession of incompetent climate concerned EU plus southern European governments have created and - far worse - in the devastation arising from happy clappy hippy marxism as pushed by puppet school skippers.
The input from the AGW supporters is getting repetitive and dreary, probably because all the ammunition they have as devoted, gullible believers is to attack the messenger. Any of you figured out what the stupid average planet temperature b
ks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.
ks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.robinessex said:
Any of you figured out what the stupid average planet temperature bks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.
We’re on the sixth volume of you chirping this every few pages and still everyone keeps ignoring your point.ks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.Even you must be wondering why?
Meanwhile USA democrat climatewang policy proposals go fruitless, nuttier and costlier.
Cash For Clunkers On Steroids Would Cost Hundreds of $Billions
https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/25/schumer-gas-car...
what a hoot'n'toot. Exporting pollution never looked so invisible. It's a wonder the agw pusher couldn't see it.
Denmark (and/or the EU en bloc) may not have their version fully costed as yet.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/transport/news/de...
Taking the above nonsense at face value gives total global emission reduction contributions from UK 0.012% = 23% of 1% of 5% and RoEU 0.184% = 23% of 16% of 5%, marvellous achievement in the offing and so cheap it makes perfect sense
(transport share / national or regional emissions as % of global / anthropogenic fraction of total global annually cycled carbon dioxide).
Cash For Clunkers On Steroids Would Cost Hundreds of $Billions
https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/25/schumer-gas-car...
democrat said:
I am announcing a new proposal designed to rapidly phase out gas-powered vehicles and replace them with zero-emission, or ‘clean,’ vehicles like electric cars
Zero emission, clean what a hoot'n'toot. Exporting pollution never looked so invisible. It's a wonder the agw pusher couldn't see it.Denmark (and/or the EU en bloc) may not have their version fully costed as yet.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/transport/news/de...
Taking the above nonsense at face value gives total global emission reduction contributions from UK 0.012% = 23% of 1% of 5% and RoEU 0.184% = 23% of 16% of 5%, marvellous achievement in the offing and so cheap it makes perfect sense
(transport share / national or regional emissions as % of global / anthropogenic fraction of total global annually cycled carbon dioxide). El stovey said:
robinessex said:
Any of you figured out what the stupid average planet temperature bks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.
We’re on the sixth volume of you chirping this every few pages and still everyone keeps ignoring your point.ks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.Even you must be wondering why?
While nations are ignoring Paris or exiting Paris ("we'll always have Paris" 
) here's a road-to-Paris report which could provide significant amusement in the near future; working out why could be just as much fun
https://news.yahoo.com/co2-monitors-weapon-paris-c...
) here's a road-to-Paris report which could provide significant amusement in the near future; working out why could be just as much fun https://news.yahoo.com/co2-monitors-weapon-paris-c...
Gadgetmac said:
El stovey said:
robinessex said:
Any of you figured out what the stupid average planet temperature bks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.
We’re on the sixth volume of you chirping this every few pages and still everyone keeps ignoring your point.ks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.Even you must be wondering why?
Next robinessex and co will try to get all the non cult members removed ASAP so they can turn it into yet another safe space for conspiracy nut jobs.
It’s a wonder a scientist like turbobloke isn’t posting all this irrefutable scientific evidence on science forums or even the science threads on here.
Seems an odd way for a scientist that has evidence of a global scientific deception to behave.
El stovey said:
robinessex said:
Any of you figured out what the stupid average planet temperature bks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.
We’re on the sixth volume of you chirping this every few pages and still everyone keeps ignoring your point.ks actually means/is, other than a mathematical derivation? Quite the most useless entity I've ever come across. Valueless.Even you must be wondering why?
The bottom line for daft UK and EU climate policies based on garbage-in-gospel-out climate models is this - we now have over 30 years' worth of satellite troposphere temperature data, a climate-relevant timescale. Using this within an agw transient climate response perspective (Christy, Christy & McNider) to 'ask' what the temperature response will be if CO2 ppmv doubles, the result is 1.1 deg C - not news. Hardly a very alarming number for a doubling of scary CO2. When the same calculation has been carried out using climate models, the tcr number was 2.3 deg C which is significantly different. Reports of the latest gigo from 8 of the latest IPCC models talks of the scary warming from doubling CO2 now amounting to 5 deg C or more. With models moving further and further away from reality, it's hardly surprising (but alarming all the same) that climate/energy policies are also moving further and further away from reality with no respite in view.
robinessex said:
zygalski said:
Turbospam in full copy/paste frenzy mode.
Look what you guys have done!
Where do you get your information? Antique Encyclopedias, the local library, or on ancient stone tablets?Look what you guys have done!
No BBC articles to get all frenzied over today mate?
Gadgetmac said:
robinessex said:
zygalski said:
Turbospam in full copy/paste frenzy mode.
Look what you guys have done!
Where do you get your information? Antique Encyclopedias, the local library, or on ancient stone tablets?Look what you guys have done!
No BBC articles to get all frenzied over today mate?
Gadgetmac said:
robinessex said:
zygalski said:
Turbospam in full copy/paste frenzy mode.
Look what you guys have done!
Where do you get your information? Antique Encyclopedias, the local library, or on ancient stone tablets?Look what you guys have done!
No BBC articles to get all frenzied over today mate?
robinessex said:
Exactly like TB. Thus he should be able to point me to the definitive site that can prove CC then, can't he?
Reading your fawning over the years, although fascinating, Is like watching a programme about Scientologists or people in a cult. Are you honestly comparing TB constantly quoting the GWPF and wattsupwiththat and misrepresenting scientists as being “the same” as someone being on the same side as the vast majority of scientists, every reputable scientific institution on the planet, and the scientific consensus?
Do you honestly also believe it’s all made up as a left wing plot for wealth redistribution and almost every government on the planet is in on it?
Really Rob, just think about the magnitude of this deception. And you’re one of the ones able to expose it but for some reason decide to post about it on a car forum instead of some kind of scientific journal where consensus changing scientific discoveries are published.
Isn’t it actually more likely that you’ve been a bit brainwashed?
It's fascinating to see all the detailed new and credible empirical data being presented as evidence for agw junkscience and the daft political policies based on it, with so little empty rhetoric from supporters of the above J and D. Wonderful!
A relatively recent paper which caught my eye by chance offers an example of how a fake concern is helping with a genuine concern: Ma et al show how marine plant toxicity (heavy metal poisons, cadmium for example) is alleviated by marginally less ocean alkalinity. This plant news is a win-win alongside coral news given that Australian researchers have already shown how a dissolved carbon dioxide level equal to that expected in 2100 had no negative impacts on Great Barrier Reef coral - they boxed in a section of GBR coral and bubbled tax gas through the water, so this is from credible empirical data not garbage-in-gospel-out modelling with its false assumptions.
A relatively recent paper which caught my eye by chance offers an example of how a fake concern is helping with a genuine concern: Ma et al show how marine plant toxicity (heavy metal poisons, cadmium for example) is alleviated by marginally less ocean alkalinity. This plant news is a win-win alongside coral news given that Australian researchers have already shown how a dissolved carbon dioxide level equal to that expected in 2100 had no negative impacts on Great Barrier Reef coral - they boxed in a section of GBR coral and bubbled tax gas through the water, so this is from credible empirical data not garbage-in-gospel-out modelling with its false assumptions.
El stovey said:
robinessex said:
Exactly like TB. Thus he should be able to point me to the definitive site that can prove CC then, can't he?
Reading your fawning over the years, although fascinating, Is like watching a programme about Scientologists or people in a cult. Are you honestly comparing TB constantly quoting the GWPF and wattsupwiththat and misrepresenting scientists as being “the same” as someone being on the same side as the vast majority of scientists, every reputable scientific institution on the planet, and the scientific consensus?
Do you honestly also believe it’s all made up as a left wing plot for wealth redistribution and almost every government on the planet is in on it?
Really Rob, just think about the magnitude of this deception. And you’re one of the ones able to expose it but for some reason decide to post about it on a car forum instead of some kind of scientific journal where consensus changing scientific discoveries are published.
Isn’t it actually more likely that you’ve been a bit brainwashed?
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