Guy gets dog to kill cat? WTF is wrong with some people?

[Yertis]

No, because Tiggsy would have had them all shot.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

CoolHands said:

But so what? You wouldn’t know cos they wouldn’t have been there. You would have just ended up with 2 different dogs.

The dog currently sleeping in front of our fire wouldn't be here. It's irrelevant if we wouldn't know, as he's as entitled to his life as you or I are.

[TheJimi]

CoolHands said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Indeed. If that was how it worked one of our boys wouldn't be with us. In the rescue kennels for 6 months before us. Constantly taken back, for being handsome, but a pain in the arse.

But so what? You wouldn’t know cos they wouldn’t have been there. You would have just ended up with 2 different dogs.

That's really not the point we're getting at.

It never ceases to surprise me how hard some folk will try to pick an argument.

[Tiggsy]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

TheJimi said:

Tiggsy said:

If I was in charge I'd keep a dog in a shelter for no more than a couple of weeks before it goes to sleep

fking hell.

I despair. I really do.

Indeed. If that was how it worked one of our boys wouldn't be with us. In the rescue kennels for 6 months before us. Constantly taken back, for being handsome, but a pain in the arse.

Your're attributing human emotions and feelings and understandings to a dog. Here's an example - my other half fosters dogs from Europe before they are homed in the UK. They live with us (and our other dogs) while waiting for owners. They have a st life before getting here. Once here they are sent from foster to owner, often a few times (as you describe yourself) because people bite off more than they can chew. So the dog continues to have a st life of being sent to new home after new home. Never really settling or feeling part of a pack. Often feeling scared and nervous and unsure what is going on. Often stuck in a cage or shelter if a foster can't be found. In my world.....that negative experience would not exist for the dog. You are happy for it to have a negative experience in the hope it gets a positive one later. I'm not. It's a dog, it's not looking forward to a brighter future, it's not making big plans for retirement. It simply experiences it's current state and reacts to it. It's the same as people that drag out extensive vet treatments that are lengthy and painful. It is done because of the hopes and wants of the owner, not the animal. I know, I've done it. I had a lurcher years ago that hurt it's back. Weeks of learning to walk again and never really got back to full health. Anyone on the outside would say "but she got another 4 years of living in a happy home" - if I could do it over, I'd have taken the vets advice and not gone ahead with the treatment and rehab. That dog experience pain and suffering that it didn't need to. There's no danger of me running the show so don't panic your dog is safe! Hell, I live with rescued dogs all the time. I just place a dogs suffering as a bigger negative than the possibility of it's future happiness that a) may never happen and b) it sure as hell isn't looking ahead to when inside a cage.

[Tiggsy]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

CoolHands said:

But so what? You wouldn’t know cos they wouldn’t have been there. You would have just ended up with 2 different dogs.

The dog currently sleeping in front of our fire wouldn't be here. It's irrelevant if we wouldn't know, as he's as entitled to his life as you or I are.

Just dogs? or cats too. How about cows? I think we live in a world where (while thats a lovely view) it's not reflected in reality. I'm not sure what an animals entitlement even means....but I know it's a nice human trait to try and avoid their suffering. I'm all for that.

[Yertis]

Tiggsy said:

It's the same as people that drag out extensive vet treatments that are lengthy and painful. It is done because of the hopes and wants of the owner, not the animal. I know, I've done it. I had a lurcher years ago that hurt it's back. Weeks of learning to walk again and never really got back to full health. Anyone on the outside would say "but she got another 4 years of living in a happy home" - if I could do it over, I'd have taken the vets advice and not gone ahead with the treatment and rehab.

I agree with you on this point entirely, having been through a similar exercise.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Tiggsy said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

CoolHands said:

But so what? You wouldn’t know cos they wouldn’t have been there. You would have just ended up with 2 different dogs.

The dog currently sleeping in front of our fire wouldn't be here. It's irrelevant if we wouldn't know, as he's as entitled to his life as you or I are.

Just dogs? or cats too. How about cows? I think we live in a world where (while thats a lovely view) it's not reflected in reality. I'm not sure what an animals entitlement even means....but I know it's a nice human trait to try and avoid their suffering. I'm all for that.

Of course. It is the ultimate responsibility of any pet owner to ensure that suffering is avoided, and death is painless. We had to do so at the weekend, with one of our (don't laugh) 16 chickens. The vet advised that there was no pleasant ending for what she was suffering, and PTS would be the kindest option. It broke our bloody hearts. I spent a lot of Saturday in tears, over a bloody chicken!

Ultimately it was the kindest thing for her, but we were gutted, she was less than 6 months old. Our upset wasn't what mattered though.

[Supercilious Sid]

I wonder if the perpetrator is a Lib Dem? It appears they have form for this sort of act.
https://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-candidate-jail...

[Shakermaker]

Tiggsy said:

Yes - that's even worse though. There's a simple enough solution to that but people don't like killing cats and dogs. Same as we have here with dogs in shelters - grim life for them. If I was in charge I'd keep a dog in a shelter for no more than a couple of weeks before it goes to sleep. I'd also have a dog license, ban 99% of people from breeding, make breaking the dog laws a prison offence and provide them for the elderly free. No more dogs stuck in shelters. People would rather they lived in cages though

I read something a year or so ago where a dog shelter was looking for volunteers to walk the dogs, and a lot of people started turning up and walking the dogs in their lunch hours, or before work, and then realising they liked the dog, so would then reserve that dog for the next day etc, and then people started rehoming the dogs.. and then the shelter ran out of dogs because everyone realised they liked having a dog walk at lunchtime so much that they kept on enough.

Doesn't sound too grim for the dogs in that situation to me

[Tiggsy]

Shakermaker said:

Doesn't sound too grim for the dogs in that situation to me

No, it sounds lovely. But that's not every shelter. If you give me an example of factory farmed chickens where they have an OK time of it, I still won't buy anything but free range chicken because I believe the majority are not having a nice time.

At the end of the day I'd HOPE that anyone decent draws a line where they believe an animals negative experience is too harsh, drawn out, painful, stressful, whatever that they would rather the animals suffering ended.....even if that's at the expense of their own loss of possible good times with that animal in the future. I just place a greater significance on the animal not suffering. Others place their own desire to keep the animal around higher. Each to their own. I eat thousands of animals a year so not going to get on my high horse about how others choose to use animals for their enjoyment.