lots of 812 and Pista's for sale

lots of 812 and Pista's for sale

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GTrr

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1,616 posts

230 months

Thursday 7th November
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I have never seen so many of the latest V12 (812) and specials (Pista) for sale, what is going on?

MDL111

3,966 posts

125 months

Thursday 7th November
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Economic uncertainty?
Don’t know - spoke to a dealer recently who has one for sale (Pista) for 40k euros above list (30 to the customer, 10 to him)

Taffy66

3,068 posts

50 months

Thursday 7th November
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GTrr said:
I have never seen so many of the latest V12 (812) and specials (Pista) for sale, what is going on?
Its called panic selling or to put in another trying to get off a sinking ship before the life rafts are too full..

marky1

805 posts

144 months

Thursday 7th November
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MDL111 said:
Economic uncertainty?
Don’t know - spoke to a dealer recently who has one for sale (Pista) for 40k euros above list (30 to the customer, 10 to him)
No chance in my view. Think it should be list now.

Cheib

17,242 posts

123 months

Thursday 7th November
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Staggering amount of new Ferrari models this year....even the most fervent collector/customer can’t buy and keep all these cars! Disn;t Tom Hartley Jnr have an 812’ that was £100k below list?

Jon666

116 posts

74 months

Thursday 7th November
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Pista overs are over and 812s are below list. That particular party didn’t last long!

marky1

805 posts

144 months

Thursday 7th November
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Cheib said:
Staggering amount of new Ferrari models this year....even the most fervent collector/customer can’t buy and keep all these cars! Disn;t Tom Hartley Jnr have an 812’ that was £100k below list?
It was a Lusso.

MDL111

3,966 posts

125 months

Thursday 7th November
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marky1 said:
MDL111 said:
Economic uncertainty?
Don’t know - spoke to a dealer recently who has one for sale (Pista) for 40k euros above list (30 to the customer, 10 to him)
No chance in my view. Think it should be list now.
well, I assume it is not the 10k that will reduce ....

also was told you can lease a 720S for 1,900 Euros a month (no down payment) - need to call McL soon to find out if that is true, as that would be quite amazing imo.

MDL111

3,966 posts

125 months

Thursday 7th November
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marky1 said:
Cheib said:
Staggering amount of new Ferrari models this year....even the most fervent collector/customer can’t buy and keep all these cars! Disn;t Tom Hartley Jnr have an 812’ that was £100k below list?
It was a Lusso.
Lusso order window has ended or so I have been told - let's hope there will be a hybrid V12 successor as I have no interest in an SUV (even if it is made by Ferrari) - better add a tow hook to the Lusso

Edit. and I know this does not have any implication on the original statement quoted

Cheib

17,242 posts

123 months

Thursday 7th November
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marky1 said:
Cheib said:
Staggering amount of new Ferrari models this year....even the most fervent collector/customer can’t buy and keep all these cars! Disn;t Tom Hartley Jnr have an 812’ that was £100k below list?
It was a Lusso.
Ah apologies ! I’ll get my coat !

GTrr

Original Poster:

1,616 posts

230 months

Friday 8th November
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Cheib said:
Staggering amount of new Ferrari models this year....even the most fervent collector/customer can’t buy and keep all these cars! Disn;t Tom Hartley Jnr have an 812’ that was £100k below list?
Yeah that could be it but the new models are not delivered yet as far as I know. And one would lose a lot by selling a 812 after one year ...
And I thought it wasn t allowed to sell a special within 2 years or so?

F355GTS

3,514 posts

203 months

Friday 8th November
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GTrr said:
Yeah that could be it but the new models are not delivered yet as far as I know. And one would lose a lot by selling a 812 after one year ...
And I thought it wasn t allowed to sell a special within 2 years or so?
812 wasn't a special car per se, there was just a lot of hype at the time

GTrr

Original Poster:

1,616 posts

230 months

Friday 8th November
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F355GTS said:
812 wasn't a special car per se, there was just a lot of hype at the time
yes I know, I meant the Pista as a special.

Taffy66

3,068 posts

50 months

Friday 8th November
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F355GTS said:
812 wasn't a special car per se, there was just a lot of hype at the time
With the arguably prettier F12 now down to £160K where do we see 812s falling to in a couple of years time..A six year old F12 can now be bought for £160K so will the same age 812s be the same price in four years time i wonder..

WCZ

7,358 posts

142 months

Friday 8th November
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brexit / too many ferraris

the pista will be below list sometime next year imo

Cheib

17,242 posts

123 months

Friday 8th November
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Taffy66 said:
F355GTS said:
812 wasn't a special car per se, there was just a lot of hype at the time
With the arguably prettier F12 now down to £160K where do we see 812s falling to in a couple of years time..A six year old F12 can now be bought for £160K so will the same age 812s be the same price in four years time i wonder..
I would put money on them being lower than the F12 in % terms. F12 values were rock solid (by the standards of V12 front engined Ferrari’s) for a long time because of the general market conditions....market’s changed and there’s a lot more cars around.


SVJBalboni

24 posts

2 months

Friday 8th November
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Not one bit surprised with the Pista because Ferrari is building a lot of them. Over on FChat some people who got passed over for allocation are getting call backs from dealers about available allocations which is usually a bad sign for flippers but good news for enthusiast. The only Pista that will probably hold value will be the Piloti.

garystoybox

267 posts

65 months

Friday 8th November
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SVJBalboni said:
Not one bit surprised with the Pista because Ferrari is building a lot of them. Over on FChat some people who got passed over for allocation are getting call backs from dealers about available allocations which is usually a bad sign for flippers but good news for enthusiast. The only Pista that will probably hold value will be the Piloti.
I don’t think it’s so much to do with the numbers, it’s down to the fact that the F8 has the identical engine, with some chassis development and deliveries starting in the next couple of months, before even some people have received their Pista’s. Oh and it’s cheaper. Talk about sticking it to your most loyal customers (I couldn’t give a stuff about the vloggers/flippers).


Edited by garystoybox on Friday 8th November 22:54

GTrr

Original Poster:

1,616 posts

230 months

Saturday 9th November
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garystoybox said:
I don’t think it’s so much to do with the numbers, it’s down to the fact that the F8 has the identical engine, with some chassis development and deliveries starting in the next couple of months, before even some people have received their Pista’s. Oh and it’s cheaper. Talk about sticking it to your most loyal customers (I couldn’t give a stuff about the vloggers/flippers).

Wow, that is not good ..
Still I d rather have a Pista than a F8, probably more direct/raw, and the F8 sounds like a Toyota ...



Edited by garystoybox on Friday 8th November 22:54

430SD_LP640

13 posts

5 months

Saturday 9th November
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to qualify an 812 GTS order, one needs to have v12 "Ferrari scores". Having special edition scores is not enough. People bought 812 coupe so they could get a slot of 812 GTS. Yes, they may lose money in 812 coupe but 812 GTS will be trading at a significant premium, which is more than enough to offset the loss. I think 812 coupe price will drop quite meaningfully. many buyers were just not interested in 812 coupe itself. Sadly this is the game you need to play with F - one of very few car OEMs with this strong pricing power.

F seems to change the strategy in the middle of pista production. Initially it was very difficult to get a slot. I was told no initially due to lower F scores (only had 2 normal cars and 2 special cars, of which 3 were new orders and 1 was a used car.). then about six months later, the dealer called back saying they managed to secure a slot of pista for me on condition that it had to be a fully loaded car (i.e. min spending requirement for options), which I really hate. I would have probably specced lots of extra anyway had I decided to order but I hate being told to tick options. Only F does this, which is really really annoying. I did not like the engine sound either so I did not proceed.

As SVJ said above, pista piloti is very rare. It was only offered those who bought a track car before. saw one in Maranello when I dropped my car to do the service. imho, it is a pista with cosmetic changes full of italian flag colours inside and outside...