Voting as a muslim

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romeogolf said:

Telling someone from a minority group that religion and politics are unrelated is the whitest bullshirt going and I'm sorry that the OP has had 14+ pages of this to scroll through to find any sensible answers.

Labour and the Conservatives sit at far ends of a wide political spectrum. The idea that you simply must vote for one or the other and to hell with anything moderate in between them is what got us into this mess.

There isn't anything moderate in between, unfortunately. The between ground is about as coherent and convincing as a madman writing on walls with his own ste.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

ATG said:

Given the accusation is that they've failed to deal with the problem, that ratio is not a compelling defence. Others see it as part of the indictment. "They've got a big problem yet they've only suspended 15 of them. Should be more, and they should have been chucked out, not suspended."

So what should they be investigating? Trawling through 190,000 Facebook accounts and Twitter feeds to find anything that some Muslims don't like?

People have already been trawling over everything any Conservative has said looking for Islamophobia for years. Coincidentally about as long as Labour's antisemitism has been an issue. If this is the best they can find then I don't think there's much to investigate.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

romeogolf said:

Telling someone from a minority group that religion and politics are unrelated is the whitest bullshirt going and I'm sorry that the OP has had 14+ pages of this to scroll through to find any sensible answers.

Is that "white" in the pejorative sense? Would it be acceptable to counter that complaining a whole party is endemically racist because of a few tweets is the brownest bullst going?

[RTB]

Either treating an ideological group by the opinions and actions of their most extreme followers is wrong or it isn't.

[romeogolf]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

romeogolf said:

Telling someone from a minority group that religion and politics are unrelated is the whitest bullshirt going and I'm sorry that the OP has had 14+ pages of this to scroll through to find any sensible answers.

Is that "white" in the pejorative sense?

Yes

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Would it be acceptable to counter that complaining a whole party is endemically racist because of a few tweets is the brownest bullst going?

No, but it is acceptable to consider a party too tolerant of racism based on the words and actions of its members.

[s1962a]

Mr Tidy said:

At the risk of being controversial, why would a Muslim emigrate to a predominately Christian country in the first place?

And then living in a 5% minority group seem to expect to have some sort of control?

What about the views of the other 95% of residents - or don't you understand how a democracy is supposed to work?

i didn't emigrate here, I was born here, and i love this country. Do you? If so, surely you'd want any prejudice and hatred for specific groups out of politics.

[The Moose]

I guess you have to make a decision. You have to decide if you’re more worried about your wallet or a potential for receiving some flack for being brown.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

romeogolf said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

romeogolf said:

Telling someone from a minority group that religion and politics are unrelated is the whitest bullshirt going and I'm sorry that the OP has had 14+ pages of this to scroll through to find any sensible answers.

Is that "white" in the pejorative sense?

Yes

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Would it be acceptable to counter that complaining a whole party is endemically racist because of a few tweets is the brownest bullst going?

No, but it is acceptable to consider a party too tolerant of racism based on the words and actions of its members.

Acceptable to people who would never vote Conservative to start with. I see absolutely nothing wrong with being white in the first place, and nothing to suggest endemic racism in the Tory party based on a few social media posts by a tiny proportion of the membership.

[s1962a]

The Moose said:

I guess you have to make a decision. You have to decide if you’re more worried about your wallet or a potential for receiving some flack for being brown.

By flack do you mean racist abuse ?

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Big-Bo-Beep said:

muslims make up 5% of the uk population ?

that is an interesting statistic

its probably wise not to say anything further

Actually a smaller percentage than Christians in Saudi Arabia. Facts are weird, right?

[s1962a]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

romeogolf said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

romeogolf said:

Telling someone from a minority group that religion and politics are unrelated is the whitest bullshirt going and I'm sorry that the OP has had 14+ pages of this to scroll through to find any sensible answers.

Is that "white" in the pejorative sense?

Yes

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Would it be acceptable to counter that complaining a whole party is endemically racist because of a few tweets is the brownest bullst going?

No, but it is acceptable to consider a party too tolerant of racism based on the words and actions of its members.

Acceptable to people who would never vote Conservative to start with. I see absolutely nothing wrong with being white in the first place, and nothing to suggest endemic racism in the Tory party based on a few social media posts by a tiny proportion of the membership.

oh look, another one.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-ele...

Labour has an anti semitism problem, and the Conservatives have a problem with the far right, which includes anti islamic rhetoric.

[RTB]

s1962a said:

oh look, another one.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-ele...

Labour has an anti semitism problem, and the Conservatives have a problem with the far right, which includes anti islamic rhetoric.

You have to make a call on how big you feel the problem is with each party and what impact that would have on the society you want to live in.

Or you could go into the polling booth cover up the candidates with one hand and put a tick next to a random candidate with the other.

[s1962a]

RTB said:

s1962a said:

oh look, another one.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-ele...

Labour has an anti semitism problem, and the Conservatives have a problem with the far right, which includes anti islamic rhetoric.

You have to make a call on how big you feel the problem is with each party and what impact that would have on the society you want to live in.

Or you could go into the polling booth cover up the candidates with one hand and put a tick next to a random candidate with the other.

When i wrote this post last week it was out of frustration that the Tories weren't doing anything to fix this but they seem to have suspended members that are affected, which is a good sign. Couple this with the racist incidents i've been reading and hearing about, which seem to have increased since Brexit, it just made me wonder whether voting Conservative for me is like turkeys voting for christmas. Judging by some of the comments on here, I have a feeling the tories have got the nations mood just right on this one unfortunately.

[Rare]

s1962a said:

Rare said:

bhstewie said:

By coincidence this was one the front page of the Guardian.

Muslim voters could swing 31 marginal seats, research finds

What a nonsense article by a nonsense paper.

Do Muslims really vote en masse??

Surely these people are British why would they be defined as being Muslim as opposed to British ?

Why do they feel they need to stand differently ?
Do Sikhs and Hindus vote en masse or is it only a Muslim thing ?

muslims don't vote en masse.. plenty of opinions, just any other British people. So why did 25 tory members get suspended for anti islamic rhetoric? let people vote for the party that best represents their views, rather than single them out for abuse.

Agreed, but the suggestion by the MCB in the article was that Muslims could change the outcome in certain constituencies, which gives the impression that they vote the same way or the way in which the mosques advises.

Which i doubt is the case.

Does any party have anything in their manifesto that discriminates against muslims ?

Suspending a handful of people does not mean there is an issue with the parties policies or that them being in power would cause you any concern. The Chancellor doesn't appear to have any issue voting conservative.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Johnson would shag his own granny and sell tickets to watch if he thought it was in his best interests. He will pander to whoever he needs to pander to in order to achieve his aims. That's the nature of the beast, and Muslims voting Tory just have to accept that a pact with Tommy Robinson is a possibility with a self serving scumbag like Johnson at the helm.

Whether that is more or less palatable than the alternative is an interesting debate.

[was8v]

I may be personally financially better off under the Conservatives.

However I am very proud to be able to pay taxes that in someway supports those less fortunate than me - for healthcare, social as well as economic infrastructure. I'd be happy to pay more, once the Tories magic money tree stash from the austerity years has been exhausted.

Your children may not be so lucky as you - they may fall ill or make some unfortunate financial decisions in life.

It boils down to what sort of society you want to build - one where the successful look out for those that that are less fortunate, or one where there is increasing divide and conquer.

Success in life is largely down to luck - where you were born, who you meet and your appetite for risk in taking opportunities. It's not just about hard work.

[Oilchange]

was8v said:

I may be personally financially better off under the Conservatives.

However I am very proud to be able to pay taxes that in someway supports those less fortunate than me - for healthcare, social as well as economic infrastructure. I'd be happy to pay more, once the Tories magic money tree stash from the austerity years has been exhausted.

Your children may not be so lucky as you - they may fall ill or make some unfortunate financial decisions in life.

It boils down to what sort of society you want to build - one where the successful look out for those that that are less fortunate, or one where there is increasing divide and conquer.

Success in life is largely down to luck - where you were born, who you meet and your appetite for risk in taking opportunities. It's not just about hard work.

There's a way of paying more taxes if you want to, it's called sending a cheque to HMRC.
Off you go.

[anonymous-user]

OP, forgive me if this has already been asked and answered but did you vote leave or remain?

[Rare]

Oilchange said:

There's a way of paying more taxes if you want to, it's called sending a cheque to HMRC.
Off you go.

You do find those happy to pay more have never taken up this option .....

[markcoznottz]

was8v said:

I may be personally financially better off under the Conservatives.

However I am very proud to be able to pay taxes that in someway supports those less fortunate than me - for healthcare, social as well as economic infrastructure. I'd be happy to pay more, once the Tories magic money tree stash from the austerity years has been exhausted.

Your children may not be so lucky as you - they may fall ill or make some unfortunate financial decisions in life.

It boils down to what sort of society you want to build - one where the successful look out for those that that are less fortunate, or one where there is increasing divide and conquer.

Success in life is largely down to luck - where you were born, who you meet and your appetite for risk in taking opportunities. It's not just about hard work.

What 'stash' is that then. Public spending and overall tax take is at record levels. You will pay just as much tax under the cons as lab now , don't fool yourself. The 2010 manifesto between the two were identical, in terms of public spending. You've gone off on some tirade about social mobility, this stalled under new labour, the benefit system that they implemented was designed to trap people, and house price inflation and cheap credit was used as a diversion from fiscal drag etc.