Voting as a muslim
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Johnson would shag his own granny beat up a magic grandpa in a live TV debate at 8pm tonight and sell tickets to watch if he thought it was in his best interests.
FTFYhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50472452
s1962a said:
RTB said:
s1962a said:
oh look, another one.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-ele...
Labour has an anti semitism problem, and the Conservatives have a problem with the far right, which includes anti islamic rhetoric.
You have to make a call on how big you feel the problem is with each party and what impact that would have on the society you want to live in. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-ele...
Labour has an anti semitism problem, and the Conservatives have a problem with the far right, which includes anti islamic rhetoric.
Or you could go into the polling booth cover up the candidates with one hand and put a tick next to a random candidate with the other.
The breadth and depth of his views are incredible. Muslims were by no means the only innocent targets of his lunacy. If you read the report, there's scarcely an unsavoury view he did not hold.
Digga said:
s1962a said:
RTB said:
s1962a said:
oh look, another one.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-ele...
Labour has an anti semitism problem, and the Conservatives have a problem with the far right, which includes anti islamic rhetoric.
You have to make a call on how big you feel the problem is with each party and what impact that would have on the society you want to live in. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-ele...
Labour has an anti semitism problem, and the Conservatives have a problem with the far right, which includes anti islamic rhetoric.
Or you could go into the polling booth cover up the candidates with one hand and put a tick next to a random candidate with the other.
The breadth and depth of his views are incredible. Muslims were by no means the only innocent targets of his lunacy. If you read the report, there's scarcely an unsavoury view he did not hold.
Unless you want it to matter
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Johnson would shag his own granny and sell tickets to watch if he thought it was in his best interests. He will pander to whoever he needs to pander to in order to achieve his aims. That's the nature of the beast, and Muslims voting Tory just have to accept that a pact with Tommy Robinson is a possibility with a self serving scumbag like Johnson at the helm.
Whether that is more or less palatable than the alternative is an interesting debate.
Johnson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Corbyn.Whether that is more or less palatable than the alternative is an interesting debate.
Liokault said:
Keoparakolo said:
Liokault said:
Keoparakolo said:
Vanden Saab said:
Would you care to list them or do we have to guess...
SNP - yes they’re very pro-Scottishnindependence, but they’re not outwardly racist. .
You need to calm down a little, maybe try not to be so offended about it.
was8v said:
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Success in life is largely down to luck - where you were born, who you meet and your appetite for risk in taking opportunities. It's not just about hard work.
Apart from birth - Luck is often the residue of good planning.Success in life is largely down to luck - where you were born, who you meet and your appetite for risk in taking opportunities. It's not just about hard work.
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 19th November 15:24
was8v said:
I may be personally financially better off under the Conservatives.
However I am very proud to be able to pay taxes that in someway supports those less fortunate than me - for healthcare, social as well as economic infrastructure. I'd be happy to pay more, once the Tories magic money tree stash from the austerity years has been exhausted.
Your children may not be so lucky as you - they may fall ill or make some unfortunate financial decisions in life.
It boils down to what sort of society you want to build - one where the successful look out for those that that are less fortunate, or one where there is increasing divide and conquer.
Success in life is largely down to luck - where you were born, who you meet and your appetite for risk in taking opportunities. It's not just about hard work.
Your dream society relies upon not just the people at the top doing there bit but also others not being lazy and feckless. People at the bottom expecting others to give them things. It's a team effort everyone needs to feel like everyone is in it together. It's no coincidence things like the NHS came not to long after WW2 something that bonded the entire nation in a single goal. However I am very proud to be able to pay taxes that in someway supports those less fortunate than me - for healthcare, social as well as economic infrastructure. I'd be happy to pay more, once the Tories magic money tree stash from the austerity years has been exhausted.
Your children may not be so lucky as you - they may fall ill or make some unfortunate financial decisions in life.
It boils down to what sort of society you want to build - one where the successful look out for those that that are less fortunate, or one where there is increasing divide and conquer.
Success in life is largely down to luck - where you were born, who you meet and your appetite for risk in taking opportunities. It's not just about hard work.
Since then we had multiculturalism the idea that nationalism (being proud of your nation) is a shameful thing. The increase intersectionality groups all trying to claim to be the biggest victim.
Your dream society if further away than ever before. Don't worry it's not going to stop delusional fools throwing everyone's money at it though until we've got none left.
s1962a said:
The Moose said:
I guess you have to make a decision. You have to decide if you’re more worried about your wallet or a potential for receiving some flack for being brown.
By flack do you mean racist abuse ?s1962a said:
oh look, another one.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-ele...
Labour has an anti semitism problem, and the Conservatives have a problem with the far right, which includes anti islamic rhetoric.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-ele...
Labour has an anti semitism problem, and the Conservatives have a problem with the far right, which includes anti islamic rhetoric.
Article said:
forum that there is “no credible evidence to suggest the Holocaust did not happen”.
He continued: “I do find some of the events fabricated, and exegarated [sic] in some cases.
“As history is written by the victors there is always going to be a bit of re-writing.”
Hardly holocaust denial. A 20 year old asking questions. He continued: “I do find some of the events fabricated, and exegarated [sic] in some cases.
“As history is written by the victors there is always going to be a bit of re-writing.”
Article said:
In further posts on a poker forum, he:
repeatedly shared pornography
boasted about "smashing birds"
bragged about spending his winnings on Tag Heuer watches
Come on, speak up. What's his PH name?repeatedly shared pornography
boasted about "smashing birds"
bragged about spending his winnings on Tag Heuer watches
Oilchange said:
There's a way of paying more taxes if you want to, it's called sending a cheque to HMRC.
Off you go.
Ta, doesn't really work unless everyone does it though does it?Off you go.
I mean £50 million Johnson promised the railways will only build a few miles of track. I don't have that much.
I do give money by choice to causes that support those less fortunate than me though.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Your dream society relies upon not just the people at the top doing there bit but also others not being lazy and feckless. People at the bottom expecting others to give them things. It's a team effort everyone needs to feel like everyone is in it together. It's no coincidence things like the NHS came not to long after WW2 something that bonded the entire nation in a single goal.
Since then we had multiculturalism the idea that nationalism (being proud of your nation) is a shameful thing. The increase intersectionality groups all trying to claim to be the biggest victim.
Your dream society if further away than ever before. Don't worry it's not going to stop delusional fools throwing everyone's money at it though until we've got none left.
I have been described as lazy and feckless more than once. To write people off because you think they are lazy and feckless won't get the best out of them.Since then we had multiculturalism the idea that nationalism (being proud of your nation) is a shameful thing. The increase intersectionality groups all trying to claim to be the biggest victim.
Your dream society if further away than ever before. Don't worry it's not going to stop delusional fools throwing everyone's money at it though until we've got none left.
I don't identify with your assertion that being proud of my nation is shameful.
I am very proud to contribute to a society that looks after those less fortunate, and strategically invests around the world through the foreign aid in supporting economies after war and disaster.
People risk their lives to make it to this country, contribute to our society and make a better life for themselves. Doesn't that tell you something?
I am proud to be British, except when Farage opens his mouth.
was8v said:
I am proud to be British, except when Farage opens his mouth.
I'm not. I used to be, but not any more. I don't like what we've become. I find it very un-British. As that Durham farmer said, we went to be on the night of the referendum as Great Britain, and woke up as Little Britain. Just about sums it up for me. This country is a laughing stock. I'm sure Johnson will get back in, and so what if he does. We get the leaders we deserve. The fact that we're going to elect a lying, cheating charlatan, a Poundland Trump, tells you all you need to know about the country we've turned into.
Rare said:
Agreed, but the suggestion by the MCB in the article was that Muslims could change the outcome in certain constituencies, which gives the impression that they vote the same way or the way in which the mosques advises.
Which i doubt is the case.
Does any party have anything in their manifesto that discriminates against muslims ?
Suspending a handful of people does not mean there is an issue with the parties policies or that them being in power would cause you any concern. The Chancellor doesn't appear to have any issue voting conservative.
In this country nobody mainstream that I'm aware of but at least one of the whack job parties does.Which i doubt is the case.
Does any party have anything in their manifesto that discriminates against muslims ?
Suspending a handful of people does not mean there is an issue with the parties policies or that them being in power would cause you any concern. The Chancellor doesn't appear to have any issue voting conservative.
We do have "mainstream" politicians that share platforms and speak in other countries on a stage with parties that do specifically discriminate.
You'd have to ask yourself why they choose to associate with those people.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
was8v said:
I am proud to be British, except when Farage opens his mouth.
I'm not. I used to be, but not any more. I don't like what we've become. I find it very un-British. As that Durham farmer said, we went to be on the night of the referendum as Great Britain, and woke up as Little Britain. Just about sums it up for me. This country is a laughing stock. I'm sure Johnson will get back in, and so what if he does. We get the leaders we deserve. The fact that we're going to elect a lying, cheating charlatan, a Poundland Trump, tells you all you need to know about the country we've turned into.
Rare said:
But if the conservative manage to reduce everybodies tax bill and make the country better, what does one loan idiot in Aberdeen matter ?
Unless you want it to matter
It’s not one though is it? It was 25 last week. 25 suspended, 15 of them were serving councillors. You can dismiss it as a small proportion, but that’s just those that have been suspended this week. No wonder Boris is running away from a proper investigation, despite promising it. Much better that he welcomes the EDL endorsement. Unless you want it to matter
mr_spock said:
poo at Paul's said:
The notion of even considering one's religion when looking at a political vote sits extremely ill to me. The two should be completely unrelated.
That you feel they are not, means something, somewhere, is wrong.
I'm certainly considering my birth religion with my vote. I'm actually an atheist, but Jewish by birth, upbringing, heritage and race. My religion, or lack of it, doesn't impact my vote. The Labour party's actions towards my fellow Jews certainly does, just as the BNP's attitudes towards people with a different skin colour did when they were a thing. That you feel they are not, means something, somewhere, is wrong.
The difference between Labour and Conservative for me is illustrated by those holding the Chancellor/Shadow Chancellor positions. One is a Muslim, the other is a racist (see comments on Ian Austin, Esther McVey et al).
Yes, there are racists in the Tory party, and everywhere else. I've encountered it at work, in my hobbies etc. But it's not, IMHO, institutionally racist.
It shows how fked up party politics is, that in 2019 Britain, it plays such a part.
Keoparakolo said:
It’s not one though is it? It was 25 last week. 25 suspended, 15 of them were serving councillors. You can dismiss it as a small proportion, but that’s just those that have been suspended this week. No wonder Boris is running away from a proper investigation, despite promising it. Much better that he welcomes the EDL endorsement.
What influence do those 25 have over national government policy / conservative manifesto ?In fact what influence do they have over anything ?
They are hardly going to cancel Muslim bin collections or double their council tax just because they don’t like them.
Rare said:
What influence do those 25 have over national government policy / conservative manifesto ?
In fact what influence do they have over anything ?
They are hardly going to cancel Muslim bin collections or double their council tax just because they don’t like them.
15 of them were councillors and I think at least one was a mayor.In fact what influence do they have over anything ?
They are hardly going to cancel Muslim bin collections or double their council tax just because they don’t like them.
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