Voting as a muslim
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Rare said:
What influence do those 25 have over national government policy / conservative manifesto ?
In fact what influence do they have over anything ?
They are hardly going to cancel Muslim bin collections or double their council tax just because they don’t like them.
15 of them were councillors and I think at least one was a mayor.In fact what influence do they have over anything ?
They are hardly going to cancel Muslim bin collections or double their council tax just because they don’t like them.
Rare said:
Ok but how can they effect the life of a Muslim in the uk ?
A councillor presumably has some influence on all of those they represent or else why do it?And even if the answer is that they can't I think it missed the point.
They're in public office and that s
t isn't acceptable.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: A councillor presumably has some influence on all of those they represent or else why do it?
And even if the answer is that they can't I think it missed the point.
They're in public office and that st isn't acceptable.
I would assume the answer is they can’t.And even if the answer is that they can't I think it missed the point.
They're in public office and that s
t isn't acceptable.You are right it isn’t acceptable, but as they have no real influence of any aspect of my or your life why would that stop somebody voting for a political party ?
Unless the party has come out and stated that these are there core values, they have no effect at all.
Rare said:
I would assume the answer is they can’t.
You are right it isn’t acceptable, but as they have no real influence of any aspect of my or your life why would that stop somebody voting for a political party ?
Unless the party has come out and stated that these are there core values, they have no effect at all.
One reason may be that if you're from a minority and you see that people who have an issue with you because of that are drawn to a particular political party you might start to ask yourself "What is it about that party that attracts those people?".You are right it isn’t acceptable, but as they have no real influence of any aspect of my or your life why would that stop somebody voting for a political party ?
Unless the party has come out and stated that these are there core values, they have no effect at all.
I expect if I were Jewish I'd be asking that when I look at Labour and going from s1962a's opening question I guess it's an issue for some Muslims with the Conservative party.
I'm neither of those and I wouldn't vote for Labour because of their issues and I wouldn't vote for Farage because he attracts a certain type.
I'm not convinced the Conservative's are on the same level but it seems there may be an issue hence the calls for an inquiry.
Rare said:
I would assume the answer is they can’t.
You are right it isn’t acceptable, but as they have no real influence of any aspect of my or your life why would that stop somebody voting for a political party ?
Unless the party has come out and stated that these are there core values, they have no effect at all.
Your argument is ridiculous. By your reckoning, I could run up and down the street calling people n*****s, p****s, and any sort of racist insult I like and it’s fine, as I can’t really affect their lives. You are right it isn’t acceptable, but as they have no real influence of any aspect of my or your life why would that stop somebody voting for a political party ?
Unless the party has come out and stated that these are there core values, they have no effect at all.
You need to get a grip.
The ones that have been suspended are potentially just those stupid enough to be caught, they could be the tip of an iceberg, equally they may be the sum total of it. The thing is that we’re not going to find out as Boris has reneged on the promise he made at Sajid Javid’s urging to investigate Islamophobia within the Tory Party. That should tell you something, it won’t, but it should.
Rare said:
I would assume the answer is they can’t.
You are right it isn’t acceptable, but as they have no real influence of any aspect of my or your life why would that stop somebody voting for a political party ?
Unless the party has come out and stated that these are there core values, they have no effect at all.
I can well understand that people wouldn't want to vote for a party they thought was full of racists, even more so if that party was racist against you. I just can't really see any evidence of the Tories being that party.You are right it isn’t acceptable, but as they have no real influence of any aspect of my or your life why would that stop somebody voting for a political party ?
Unless the party has come out and stated that these are there core values, they have no effect at all.
I believe this is a retaliatory campaign by people who see Labour mired in accusations of antisemitism with Jewish MPs leaving the party complaining about harassment and an investigation by the EHRC (which it's hard to believe is full of frothing right wingers desperate to discredit Labour); and they think similar accusations against the Tories will mitigate the damage.
Look at that article before about the prospective candidate in Aberdeen. Can you imagine how much trawling and detective work you would have to do to unearth such stuff from 7 years ago? And how desperate you would have to be to spin such questions as holocaust denial? It is banal, which is why it was in the Mirror in the first place.
The only mistake the Tories are making at the moment in my view is to pander to this nonsense.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I can well understand that people wouldn't want to vote for a party they thought was full of racists, even more so if that party was racist against you. I just can't really see any evidence of the Tories being that party.
I believe this is a retaliatory campaign by people who see Labour mired in accusations of antisemitism with Jewish MPs leaving the party complaining about harassment and an investigation by the EHRC (which it's hard to believe is full of frothing right wingers desperate to discredit Labour); and they think similar accusations against the Tories will mitigate the damage.
Look at that article before about the prospective candidate in Aberdeen. Can you imagine how much trawling and detective work you would have to do to unearth such stuff from 7 years ago? And how desperate you would have to be to spin such questions as holocaust denial? It is banal, which is why it was in the Mirror in the first place.
The only mistake the Tories are making at the moment in my view is to pander to this nonsense.
You “just can’t really see it”, because you don’t want to. Have a read of a few of the articles here and then tell me you “can’t really see it”I believe this is a retaliatory campaign by people who see Labour mired in accusations of antisemitism with Jewish MPs leaving the party complaining about harassment and an investigation by the EHRC (which it's hard to believe is full of frothing right wingers desperate to discredit Labour); and they think similar accusations against the Tories will mitigate the damage.
Look at that article before about the prospective candidate in Aberdeen. Can you imagine how much trawling and detective work you would have to do to unearth such stuff from 7 years ago? And how desperate you would have to be to spin such questions as holocaust denial? It is banal, which is why it was in the Mirror in the first place.
The only mistake the Tories are making at the moment in my view is to pander to this nonsense.
https://www.google.com/search?q=islamophobia%20tor...
A former Tory Party Chair is calling it out, Sajid Javid asked all leadership candidates to commit to an inquiry, 25 current and former councillors suspended last week.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I just can't really see any evidence of the Tories being that party.
That was what an independent inquiry would have determined.- Why do you think Sajid Javid called for an independent investigation?
- Why do you think all of the leadership including Boris candidates agreed?
- Why do you think Boris backtracked?
- Why all the suspensions?
Are they on the same scale as Labour? Pretty sure the answer to that is no.
But I would think what impression the back-peddling about the inquiry gives.
It's quite obvious that any inquest, at this point in time, will be a distraction. The media and anybody with an axe to grind, wishing to make political gain, will be all over it with the aim of dragging down the Tories or painting a picture of them all as racists. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows this isn't widespread or institutionally evident. It's also very time consuming to hold inquest after inquest and it's a rallying cry for those who would like to use this to create division or to portray a community under attack.
It's better not to pigeonhole every little category of xenophobic behaviour and instead deal with it all in one go.
After all it's bad regardless of who it's aimed at, isn't it?
It's better not to pigeonhole every little category of xenophobic behaviour and instead deal with it all in one go.
After all it's bad regardless of who it's aimed at, isn't it?
anonymous said:
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Just go with him being a Remain voter. That doesn’t alter his views on the apparent anti-Muslim agenda within the Tory Party. Obviously for those of you who prefer the hear, speak, see no evil approach of anyone who equally supports Brexit, the world isn’t really that simple. Every person and every party has flaws, to pretend otherwise is ridiculous, yet this seems to be the approach of many when it comes to “All hail, our glorious leader Boris”. I’m expecting simple comments from the debate (that I won’t be watching) as below:Brexit supporters - Boris was amazing, just amazing, everything he said was simply perfection and absolutely 100% the truth. Corbyn is a lying, shyster, terrorist supporting scumbag.
anonymous said:
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So an independent inquiry is a distraction and "anyone with an ounce of sense knows this isn't widespread or institutionally evident".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48688268
Sajid Javid calls for an independent inquiry and all the others back him.
What's your best guess at why that little bit of TV happened?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:anonymous said:
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So an independent inquiry is a distraction and "anyone with an ounce of sense knows this isn't widespread or institutionally evident".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48688268
Sajid Javid calls for an independent inquiry and all the others back him.
What's your best guess at why that little bit of TV happened?
It's painful enough with slasher alone.
An inquiry doesn't mean the conclusion is foregone. Yes have one but save some time and try to cover all xenophobia in one go, denounce it all, reinforce the boundaries for all and move the hell on with governing the country.
Keoparakolo said:
You “just can’t really see it”, because you don’t want to. Have a read of a few of the articles here and then tell me you “can’t really see it”
https://www.google.com/search?q=islamophobia%20tor...
A former Tory Party Chair is calling it out, Sajid Javid asked all leadership candidates to commit to an inquiry, 25 current and former councillors suspended last week.
I don't know what that's meant to prove. Turkish state television, the Islamic Human Rights Commission,the BBC AND the Independent report stories about Islamophobia in the Tory party. Case closed....https://www.google.com/search?q=islamophobia%20tor...
A former Tory Party Chair is calling it out, Sajid Javid asked all leadership candidates to commit to an inquiry, 25 current and former councillors suspended last week.
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