Voting as a muslim

[ChevyChase77]

Keoparakolo said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Can having an issue with FGM or Mosques teaching that homosexuality is wrong be classed as anti-Muslim? Or is it just condemning things that have no place in today's society?

Rock on Tommy

Bobby Ball was anti-Muslim?

[Keoparakolo]

ChevyChase77 said:

Keoparakolo said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Can having an issue with FGM or Mosques teaching that homosexuality is wrong be classed as anti-Muslim? Or is it just condemning things that have no place in today's society?

Rock on Tommy

Bobby Ball was anti-Muslim?

It's a play on words. Quite what your comments add to this thread is beyond me. Has the OP suggested he’s in favour of FGM, or that his mosque teaches homosexuality is wrong? I can’t remember it being mentioned, but it’s a great example of how to not address the topic and just attack the OP via generalisms and EDL type soundbites.

[ChevyChase77]

Keoparakolo said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Keoparakolo said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Can having an issue with FGM or Mosques teaching that homosexuality is wrong be classed as anti-Muslim? Or is it just condemning things that have no place in today's society?

Rock on Tommy

Bobby Ball was anti-Muslim?

It's a play on words. Quite what your comments add to this thread is beyond me. Has the OP suggested he’s in favour of FGM, or that his mosque teaches homosexuality is wrong? I can’t remember it being mentioned, but it’s a great example of how to not address the topic and just attack the OP via generalisms and EDL type soundbites.

I was trying to determine what classes people to label others as "anti-muslim"?

Is it simply by questioning some practices/beliefs which clearly have no place in today's society?

[Keoparakolo]

ChevyChase77 said:

I was trying to determine what classes people to label others as "anti-muslim"?

Is it simply by questioning some practices/beliefs which clearly have no place in today's society?

Maybe the Tory Party could have an investigation and set the benchmark for that as part of it. Or maybe they won’t, just in case it finds things they don’t want to publicise.

You’re not going to succeed derailing the discussion by suggesting all Muslims do something that they don’t.

[pequod]

anonymous said:

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Agree with this ^^^

Whilst the OP has an issue about voting Tory with his perception of them being anti-muslim, the bigger issue for him IMO is how he will change enough minds locally to install more Tory councillors and, imminently, a Tory MP (I assume his previous one is Labour?) and without knowing his constituency (marginal or always left wing) it is difficult to assess the likelihood of that happening.

Maybe best to stand aside in this election and forego his vote until the political temperature surrounding Brexit has cooled and instead concentrate on local democracy at the next local elections and hopefully in 5 years time the national direction of political travel will be easier to live with?

Alternatively, have a bit of fun and vote for the 'comedy' candidate on the ballot paper, they're always grateful for every vote to avoid losing their deposit!!

[ChevyChase77]

Keoparakolo said:

ChevyChase77 said:

I was trying to determine what classes people to label others as "anti-muslim"?

Is it simply by questioning some practices/beliefs which clearly have no place in today's society?

Maybe the Tory Party could have an investigation and set the benchmark for that as part of it. Or maybe they won’t, just in case it finds things they don’t want to publicise.

You’re not going to succeed derailing the discussion by suggesting all Muslims do something that they don’t.

I never suggested all Muslims do this.

What I'm asking is, what constitutes being anti-Muslim? Does criticising aspects of Islam make you anti-Muslim? I'd criticise any religion that preaches things that have no place in today's society.

[Keoparakolo]

ChevyChase77 said:

I never suggested all Muslims do this.

What I'm asking is, what constitutes being anti-Muslim? Does criticising aspects of Islam make you anti-Muslim? I'd criticise any religion that preaches things that have no place in today's society.

Have a read of this, it gives some of the exact words used by those who were suspended last week

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/12/r...

Or you could say “Pah, it’s The Guardian. Fake News. Fake News. Didn’t happen. Trying to besmirch the Tories in an election campaign. Fake News. Fake News.

Wonder which is most likely. I know where my money is.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

anonymous said:

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Unfortunately I think that view went out of fashion about 20 years ago in British politics.

[anonymous-user]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Unfortunately I think that view went out of fashion about 20 years ago in British politics.

U calling me an old fart?!

[Keoparakolo]

ash73 said:

My solution would be ban all religion in the UK, then there would be no discrimination. Everyone is just British.

Nice one Lenin

[WCZ]

ChevyChase77 said:

I never suggested all Muslims do this.

What I'm asking is, what constitutes being anti-Muslim? Does criticising aspects of Islam make you anti-Muslim? I'd criticise any religion that preaches things that have no place in today's society.

it's a good question really, I think the subject is sensitive. Maybe you could find examples of politicians who have spoken out against FGM and the anti-gay teachings then see if they are perceived to be anti-muslim.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

anonymous said:

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A fellow old fart.

[B'stard Child]

Keoparakolo said:

ash73 said:

My solution would be ban all religion in the UK, then there would be no discrimination. Everyone is just British.

Nice one Lenin

Anyone know who he was before he was Keoparakolo - the style of posting is familiar but it’s not ringing any bells

[s1962a]

anonymous said:

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I am fine with all that, and I agree with you. So if a party has members that outwardly try to offend or have hostility toward you then how do you tackle that? Maybe get to the bottom of it and get it out of politics, as it has no place there.

[s1962a]

ChevyChase77 said:

s1962a said:

Rare said:

But does that constitute anti Muslim ?

An anti Muslim agenda suggests that policies are in place and / or being considered that would be discriminatory and negative towards Muslims.

I don’t see that.

There may well be a few members who don’t like Muslims but that is hardly an anti Muslim agenda by the entire party.

Thats like saying labour doesn't have a problem with anti semitism - it does, even though the party's agenda is not to be racist against Jews.

Can having an issue with FGM or Mosques teaching that homosexuality is wrong be classed as anti-Muslim? Or is it just condemning things that have no place in today's society?

I believe FGM is wrong, and have no problem with homo sexuality.

[s1962a]

ash73 said:

My solution would be ban all religion in the UK, then there would be no discrimination. Everyone is just British.

Perfect!

[s1962a]

ChevyChase77 said:

I never suggested all Muslims do this.

What I'm asking is, what constitutes being anti-Muslim? Does criticising aspects of Islam make you anti-Muslim? I'd criticise any religion that preaches things that have no place in today's society.

Which religion(s) would you criticise that fit that criteria?

plenty of abuse / threats / violence against muslims out there (being singled out for being muslim). Look it up.

[A Winner Is You]

ChevyChase77 said:

Keoparakolo said:

ChevyChase77 said:

I was trying to determine what classes people to label others as "anti-muslim"?

Is it simply by questioning some practices/beliefs which clearly have no place in today's society?

Maybe the Tory Party could have an investigation and set the benchmark for that as part of it. Or maybe they won’t, just in case it finds things they don’t want to publicise.

You’re not going to succeed derailing the discussion by suggesting all Muslims do something that they don’t.

I never suggested all Muslims do this.

What I'm asking is, what constitutes being anti-Muslim? Does criticising aspects of Islam make you anti-Muslim? I'd criticise any religion that preaches things that have no place in today's society.

The official definition is "a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness" which to me could easily be used to cover any aspect of Islam.

[poo at Paul's]

I think there are huge swathes of the population in UK that have issues with certain aspects of certain faiths, and the Muslim one included. IMO, it is not the race, colour or anything else related to a typical practicioner, it is the particular practice itself that upsets people. If they makes them anti Muslim, anti Catholic etc, so be it.

We know examples of what I mean, anyone who is tolerant of LGBT rights, equal rights and opportunities based on gender etc, (ie the vast majority of the UK i would submit) would have issues with some aspects of Islam's stance on gays and women. If that makes everyone anti muslim, so be it. I cannot see it changing.

[s1962a]

poo at Paul's said:

I think there are huge swathes of the population in UK that have issues with certain aspects of certain faiths, and the Muslim one included. IMO, it is not the race, colour or anything else related to a typical practicioner, it is the particular practice itself that upsets people. If they makes them anti Muslim, anti Catholic etc, so be it.

We know examples of what I mean, anyone who is tolerant of LGBT rights, equal rights and opportunities based on gender etc, (ie the vast majority of the UK i would submit) would have issues with some aspects of Islam's stance on gays and women. If that makes everyone anti muslim, so be it. I cannot see it changing.

Do you think it has a place in politics though? For example, if someone with far right view joins UKIP, that kind of makes sense right? But those views in the Tory or Labour party? Not so much there.