Voting as a muslim
Discussion
Penelope Stopit said:
FazerBoy said:
There are of course people who voted Brexit who are racist
As there are people that voted remains1962a said:
Right now that seems to be labour or the lib dems.. and i'm not voting lib dems as i dont want another referendum. But labour will rape my wallett and make me poor.. so take racism or be poorer.. which would you choose?
You don’t think there’s any racism in the Labour ranks? FazerBoy said:
s1962a said:
Right now that seems to be labour or the lib dems.. and i'm not voting lib dems as i dont want another referendum. But labour will rape my wallett and make me poor.. so take racism or be poorer.. which would you choose?
You don’t think there’s any racism in the Labour ranks? s1962a said:
From that previous post, I thought your reference was to the article Rod Liddle wrote about stopping muslims from voting.
I don't belive non voting is an option. This is my country and i want to have a say in it's future, i'm just frustrated that Brexit could easily happen if it catered more to people like me, who are traditional tory voters but aren't happy with the racist undertones to brexit that affect us directly.
I think most of the "racist undertones" to Leave are fabricated by the Remainers as a smear, in the hope that non-racist Leavers will be forced to distance themselves from the leave campaign, or at least be quiet about their views in public.I don't belive non voting is an option. This is my country and i want to have a say in it's future, i'm just frustrated that Brexit could easily happen if it catered more to people like me, who are traditional tory voters but aren't happy with the racist undertones to brexit that affect us directly.
I also suspect that the "Islamophobia in the Tory party" stuff is pushed by Labour to mobilise it's voters, in the same way they do nurses and the NHS.
s1962a said:
Penelope Stopit said:
FazerBoy said:
There are of course people who voted Brexit who are racist
As there are people that voted remainMust bear in mind that many people are ignorant, very narrow minded
Sometime in the future racism won't exist, the time it takes to educate people is the deciding factor
Anyway, good luck in deciding
grumbledoak said:
I think most of the "racist undertones" to Leave are fabricated by the Remainers as a smear, in the hope that non-racist Leavers will be forced to distance themselves from the leave campaign, or at least be quiet about their views in public.
I also suspect that the "Islamophobia in the Tory party" stuff is pushed by Labour to mobilise it's voters, in the same way they do nurses and the NHS.
Thats really interesting. Do you have any articles I can read to brush up this? Contrary to what it might seem I am an objective thinker. CheersI also suspect that the "Islamophobia in the Tory party" stuff is pushed by Labour to mobilise it's voters, in the same way they do nurses and the NHS.
s1962a said:
RichB said:
s1962a said:
fesuvious said:
Religion has nothing to do with it.
Yeah, it shouldn't be should it? I think this is a good question and one that could easily have been asked by a traditionally Labour supporting Jew as they’ll have an even tougher choice ahead of them.
My thoughts would be to abstain / spoil ballot paper. Whilst you may agree with by far the huge majority of what the Tories stand for, their position on Islam and alleged tacit endorsement of more overt racism would prevent me from voting for them if I were in your shoes. I don’t think it would be enough to move my vote elsewhere though unless there are enough policies with other parties that tick boxes for you.
For those who say Brexit hasn’t opened up more overt racism, just remember Farage’s poster showing the hordes queuing and this little beauty from
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave...
Scroll down the “what if we stay” and the barbed wire fences as if that somehow depicts Freedom of Movement of Labour
My thoughts would be to abstain / spoil ballot paper. Whilst you may agree with by far the huge majority of what the Tories stand for, their position on Islam and alleged tacit endorsement of more overt racism would prevent me from voting for them if I were in your shoes. I don’t think it would be enough to move my vote elsewhere though unless there are enough policies with other parties that tick boxes for you.
For those who say Brexit hasn’t opened up more overt racism, just remember Farage’s poster showing the hordes queuing and this little beauty from
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave...
Scroll down the “what if we stay” and the barbed wire fences as if that somehow depicts Freedom of Movement of Labour
grumbledoak said:
I think most of the "racist undertones" to Leave are fabricated by the Remainers as a smear, in the hope that non-racist Leavers will be forced to distance themselves from the leave campaign, or at least be quiet about their views in public.
I also suspect that the "Islamophobia in the Tory party" stuff is pushed by Labour to mobilise it's voters, in the same way they do nurses and the NHS.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that nobody from the remain campaign told Farage to produce that poster and pose in front of it.I also suspect that the "Islamophobia in the Tory party" stuff is pushed by Labour to mobilise it's voters, in the same way they do nurses and the NHS.
Also pretty sure that the Islamophobia stuff in the Tory party isn't something invented up by Labour unless they've started hacking Conservative councillors social media and posting stuff.
If it walks like a duck and it quacks.
Brexit is not just about anti-immigration. For some, it is the UK's freedom to define how it's own business in the best interests of the UK. For others, it is absolutely anti-immigration, based on racism. Sadly the opinions of the former have been lost in the noise (an empty drum makes the most noise) made by racists and the accusations by remainers that Brexit is only about anti-immigration and all Brexiteers are racists.
As, out of the major parties, the Conservatives are seen as a pro-Brexit party, the racists are supporting the Cons. That doesn't mean the Cons are happy about that. Sure, they will take their votes, but I can't see them making policy decisions to keep them happy, they don't need to. The BNP supporters are hardly going to vote Labor or LibDem.
So, don't judge a party based upon who supports them, the party can't control that. Much in the same way Jihadists don't define Muslims.
As, out of the major parties, the Conservatives are seen as a pro-Brexit party, the racists are supporting the Cons. That doesn't mean the Cons are happy about that. Sure, they will take their votes, but I can't see them making policy decisions to keep them happy, they don't need to. The BNP supporters are hardly going to vote Labor or LibDem.
So, don't judge a party based upon who supports them, the party can't control that. Much in the same way Jihadists don't define Muslims.
s1962a said:
Robertj21a said:
Forget the religion bit, this is the UK and most of us long ago realised that all religions are just brainwashing.
Brexit is now only really about ensuring we retain democracy and you will know that people have wildly differing views, regardless of their usual politics.
Vote for whoever represents your needs.
Right now that seems to be labour or the lib dems.. and i'm not voting lib dems as i dont want another referendum. But labour will rape my wallett and make me poor.. so take racism or be poorer.. which would you choose?Brexit is now only really about ensuring we retain democracy and you will know that people have wildly differing views, regardless of their usual politics.
Vote for whoever represents your needs.
I could never imagine voting Labour and the current LibDems seem a bit of a wasted vote.
Don’t vote as a Muslim, vote as an individual. I’ve plenty of friends who follow Islam, from a variety of backgrounds, and their political views vary from person to person. Their parents generally voted as instructed (apparently), but I’ve found the 3rd generation British and later don’t listen to the demands of the ‘community leaders’ and vote based on their own concerns.
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