Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
Discussion
chrispmartha said:
Vanden Saab said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Vanden Saab said:
Interesting to see the change that Kier made to the wording of the report.
report says high street prices likely to increase in price
Kier writes immediately underneath...
High Street prices will rise...
Just more bks from Liebour that the easily duped lap up without actually checking first. That is two in one morning.
The link to that tweet is simply because it has the document on it.report says high street prices likely to increase in price
Kier writes immediately underneath...
High Street prices will rise...
Just more b
ks from Liebour that the easily duped lap up without actually checking first. That is two in one morning.It's a treasury document apparently.
It seems to go against what Boris has been claiming.
Constitutes tariff equivalents on 30% on purchases in NI
and he again writes immediately underneath...
Document shows for NI importers, cumulative effect is equivalent on 30% tariff.
Now either he isn't very bright and like you doesn't understand what he is reading or he is changing the wording deliberately to dupe the easily led (by donkeys probably) Personally having seen him talk I will go with the former...
Vanden Saab said:
Until I can see a full copy of the document not Starmers cherry picked pages, no. No comment at all. I have seen too many people get caught out commenting on things that later turn out to be lies or twisted versions of the truth and that is just today....
All the document appears to be doing is stating the same things the government's own risk assessment did in October:4.5.1.2 East-West
241. Goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland will be required to complete both import declarations and Entry Summary (ENS) Declarations because the UK will be applying the EU’s UCC in Northern Ireland. This will result in additional administrative costs to businesses.
Full risk assessment document here.
Boris is flat out saying that this is not true.
So again, I ask - government risk assessment/HM Treasury report vs Boris today - which one is telling the truth?
Crafty_ said:
I don't see why we should vote Tories & Boris in just because their main opposition is a pile of ste. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.
I’m not saying you should or shouldn’t vote for Boris and the Tories. I’m saying everyone should vote to keep Corbyn out of power. Whilst your local Labour candidate might well be a decent person, if elected they will put Corbyn closer to power, and he’s definitely not a decent person.te. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.Ultimately I think voting for Corbyn because Boris isn’t palatable is like saying you’d like to be shot in the guts and allowed to bleed to death because you don’t fancy being punched in the face. Both are unpleasant prospects to have to choose between, but one is much worse than the other...
chemistry said:
Crafty_ said:
I don't see why we should vote Tories & Boris in just because their main opposition is a pile of ste. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.
I’m not saying you should or shouldn’t vote for Boris and the Tories. I’m saying everyone should vote to keep Corbyn out of power. Whilst your local Labour candidate might well be a decent person, if elected they will put Corbyn closer to power, and he’s definitely not a decent person.te. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.Ultimately I think voting for Corbyn because Boris isn’t palatable is like saying you’d like to be shot in the guts and allowed to bleed to death because you don’t fancy being punched in the face. Both are unpleasant prospects to have to choose between, but one is much worse than the other...
I'm quite liking the idea of our economy being invigorated by investment. Happier, healther, better-educated people, and a cleaner environment to live in.
To all those people who say "I would vote Labour apart from that Jeremy Corbyn" it's like refusing a life-saving operation because you don't like the surgeon performing it.
Mobile Chicane said:
I'm quite liking the idea of our economy being invigorated by investment.
Where from? £400bn borrowing as everyone else legs it?https://www.telegraph.co.uk/investing/shares/long-...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/what-happens-if...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverwilliams1/2019/...
The 70s were definitely not a happy time, there's no need to go back, and no need for the current generation of students to be paying for another Labour economic car crash into their fifties.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: ...
The simple test is to ask yourself if Corbyn refused to appear on Marr or Neil when it was assumed all the party leaders would be doing so, and someone like John McDonnell said “The public are fed up with interviews that are all about the interviewer and endless interruptions. The format is tired and broken and needs to change if it is to start engaging and informing the public again.” would you be nodding in agreement or on here bemoaning Corbyn and calling them the words of a deranged Marxist?...
Honestly? I'd be totally fine with it.The simple test is to ask yourself if Corbyn refused to appear on Marr or Neil when it was assumed all the party leaders would be doing so, and someone like John McDonnell said “The public are fed up with interviews that are all about the interviewer and endless interruptions. The format is tired and broken and needs to change if it is to start engaging and informing the public again.” would you be nodding in agreement or on here bemoaning Corbyn and calling them the words of a deranged Marxist?...
If the BBC said we're not doing these again because people aren't turning up, I'd be fine with it. I'd welcome it. I'd start to like the BBC again because of it!
I'd still be calling Corbyn and McDonnell deranged Marxists because not turning up to an interview wouldn't change that.
Seriously, my firm belief is that these interviews serve no purpose whatsoever. None. They just get the extreme ends of the choice spectrum all frothed up. And it's also my firm belief that it is that frothing up that leads to the media we get, the politicians we get and the divisiveness we are getting.
Murph7355 said:
Honestly? I'd be totally fine with it.
If the BBC said we're not doing these again because people aren't turning up, I'd be fine with it. I'd welcome it. I'd start to like the BBC again because of it!
I'd still be calling Corbyn and McDonnell deranged Marxists because not turning up to an interview wouldn't change that.
Seriously, my firm belief is that these interviews serve no purpose whatsoever. None. They just get the extreme ends of the choice spectrum all frothed up. And it's also my firm belief that it is that frothing up that leads to the media we get, the politicians we get and the divisiveness we are getting.
If Corbyn was the last of the leaders to confirm and he saw the other interviews and thought "fIf the BBC said we're not doing these again because people aren't turning up, I'd be fine with it. I'd welcome it. I'd start to like the BBC again because of it!
I'd still be calling Corbyn and McDonnell deranged Marxists because not turning up to an interview wouldn't change that.
Seriously, my firm belief is that these interviews serve no purpose whatsoever. None. They just get the extreme ends of the choice spectrum all frothed up. And it's also my firm belief that it is that frothing up that leads to the media we get, the politicians we get and the divisiveness we are getting.
k this they'll just ask me to apologies for anti-semitism" and scurried off you'd be totally fine with it?Respectfully I'm struggling with that one but fair enough.
Whilst I think he should have done the interview I doubt him not doing it will have much impact. He's on TV this evening so most will think "so what"
People have already made up their minds whether they hate/like/indifferent to Corbyn and the same applies to Johnson. Nothing either do or say really seems to affect that much.
Likewise I can't really understand why Labour have wasted a day on the NI stuff. Reality is no one in GB really cares about NI. This is an important story for and in NI but will just go over most voters' heads in GB.
People have already made up their minds whether they hate/like/indifferent to Corbyn and the same applies to Johnson. Nothing either do or say really seems to affect that much.
Likewise I can't really understand why Labour have wasted a day on the NI stuff. Reality is no one in GB really cares about NI. This is an important story for and in NI but will just go over most voters' heads in GB.
Mobile Chicane said:
chemistry said:
Crafty_ said:
I don't see why we should vote Tories & Boris in just because their main opposition is a pile of ste. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.
I’m not saying you should or shouldn’t vote for Boris and the Tories. I’m saying everyone should vote to keep Corbyn out of power. Whilst your local Labour candidate might well be a decent person, if elected they will put Corbyn closer to power, and he’s definitely not a decent person.te. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.Ultimately I think voting for Corbyn because Boris isn’t palatable is like saying you’d like to be shot in the guts and allowed to bleed to death because you don’t fancy being punched in the face. Both are unpleasant prospects to have to choose between, but one is much worse than the other...
I'm quite liking the idea of our economy being invigorated by investment. Happier, healther, better-educated people, and a cleaner environment to live in.
To all those people who say "I would vote Labour apart from that Jeremy Corbyn" it's like refusing a life-saving operation because you don't like the surgeon performing it.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Murph7355 said:
Honestly? I'd be totally fine with it.
If the BBC said we're not doing these again because people aren't turning up, I'd be fine with it. I'd welcome it. I'd start to like the BBC again because of it!
I'd still be calling Corbyn and McDonnell deranged Marxists because not turning up to an interview wouldn't change that.
Seriously, my firm belief is that these interviews serve no purpose whatsoever. None. They just get the extreme ends of the choice spectrum all frothed up. And it's also my firm belief that it is that frothing up that leads to the media we get, the politicians we get and the divisiveness we are getting.
If Corbyn was the last of the leaders to confirm and he saw the other interviews and thought "fIf the BBC said we're not doing these again because people aren't turning up, I'd be fine with it. I'd welcome it. I'd start to like the BBC again because of it!
I'd still be calling Corbyn and McDonnell deranged Marxists because not turning up to an interview wouldn't change that.
Seriously, my firm belief is that these interviews serve no purpose whatsoever. None. They just get the extreme ends of the choice spectrum all frothed up. And it's also my firm belief that it is that frothing up that leads to the media we get, the politicians we get and the divisiveness we are getting.
k this they'll just ask me to apologies for anti-semitism" and scurried off you'd be totally fine with it?Respectfully I'm struggling with that one but fair enough.
confused_buyer said:
Whilst I think he should have done the interview I doubt him not doing it will have much impact. He's on TV this evening so most will think "so what".
Likewise I can't really understand why Labour have wasted a day on the NI stuff. Reality is no one in GB really cares about NI. This is an important story for and in NI but will just go over most voters' heads in GB.
Seems people are missing the point.Likewise I can't really understand why Labour have wasted a day on the NI stuff. Reality is no one in GB really cares about NI. This is an important story for and in NI but will just go over most voters' heads in GB.
The message is not 'hey GB people, worry about NI' because you are right, sad as it may be for people who want to maintain the union I would suspect a large number of people in GB don't care about a border in the Irish Sea.
The message is 'look, Boris Johnson is lying to you'.
And based on the evidence, they are right that he is lying. Generally wherever you are in the UK, I would have thought you would be interested in a story that the current Prime Minister (and possible continuing Prime Minister) is actually lying about a key plank of his election strategy.
mattmurdock said:
Vanden Saab said:
No he has changed the wording look at the next line in the report which says
Constitutes tariff equivalents on 30% on purchases in NI
and he again writes immediately underneath...
Document shows for NI importers, cumulative effect is equivalent on 30% tariff.
Now either he isn't very bright and like you doesn't understand what he is reading or he is changing the wording deliberately to dupe the easily led (by donkeys probably) Personally having seen him talk I will go with the former...
I think what bConstitutes tariff equivalents on 30% on purchases in NI
and he again writes immediately underneath...
Document shows for NI importers, cumulative effect is equivalent on 30% tariff.
Now either he isn't very bright and like you doesn't understand what he is reading or he is changing the wording deliberately to dupe the easily led (by donkeys probably) Personally having seen him talk I will go with the former...
hstewie is commenting on is the actual document which suggests there will be export declarations required from NI to UK, something Boris again today said is not true.So, we are being asked to believe either the actual text of the Protocol on GB and NI from the deal/the initial risk assessment published at the time of the deal/this leaked HM Treasury document/Boris' own words at the point the deal was struck VS Boris now saying they are all wrong.
Which one would you suggest is true?
chemistry said:
Crafty_ said:
I don't see why we should vote Tories & Boris in just because their main opposition is a pile of ste. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.
I’m not saying you should or shouldn’t vote for Boris and the Tories. I’m saying everyone should vote to keep Corbyn out of power. Whilst your local Labour candidate might well be a decent person, if elected they will put Corbyn closer to power, and he’s definitely not a decent person.te. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.Ultimately I think voting for Corbyn because Boris isn’t palatable is like saying you’d like to be shot in the guts and allowed to bleed to death because you don’t fancy being punched in the face. Both are unpleasant prospects to have to choose between, but one is much worse than the other...
Its a pretty hopeless situation to be honest.
Mobile Chicane said:
No joke, he is actually getting as bad as Trump.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff