Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
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robemcdonald said:
Death threats are totally unacceptable. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Well, it should not be ANY inconvenience for you.... but at least you got there in the end. robemcdonald said:
Hopefully you will also be able to condemn the despicable threats to this woman and her family?
Absolutely. I've said many times on these threads, it doesn't matter who you vote for, death threats, physical attacks, throwing acid, throwing milkshakes, anything even remotely along these lines is utterly unacceptable. andymadmak said:
...it doesn't matter who you vote for, death threats, physical attacks, throwing acid, throwing milkshakes, anything even remotely along these lines is utterly unacceptable.
Well said.For me the same goes for lesser evils that emerge when elections generate more heat than light e.g. vandalism including defacing election posters and other forms of property.
Having said that, the only election poster I've seen this time around emerged over the weekend and it would be tricky to deface, being on the balcony of a second floor apartment. It's a LibDem affair, not surprising here in the SW.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: This was the interview with the Yorkshire Post editor that I mentioned.
Leeds General: editor who broke story tells James O'Brien how he discovered the truth
I know James O'Brien is a bit Marmite but I'd encourage anyone questioning what happened to listen to it.
Here's his reply to Margaret https://twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/120434465...
^^Leeds General: editor who broke story tells James O'Brien how he discovered the truth
I know James O'Brien is a bit Marmite but I'd encourage anyone questioning what happened to listen to it.
Here's his reply to Margaret https://twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/120434465...
He has been blocked by Allison Pearson (Telegraph writer who pushed the story). Some interesting connections there.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Has it been categorically debunked as fake news?
FFS of course not. The Hospital and the Mother say it's real. It's just a way to try and do Trumpian 'Fake News' and deflect.Please be aware, all that buy into this stuff. Alternate facts don't exist. Only facts exist.
The photo was real, the kid is real, Johnson f
ked up and the st you read on the internet is aimed at stupid people that believe it.Don't be one of them.
So the facts are:.
The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
stevensdrs said:
So the facts are:.
The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
Yes, but if true, why not?The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
It is only interference (or an attempt at subversion) if it was staged.
The only evidence that it was staged seems to be from fake/hacked Facebook and Twitter accounts.
andymadmak said:
robemcdonald said:
Death threats are totally unacceptable. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Well, it should not be ANY inconvenience for you.... but at least you got there in the end. robemcdonald said:
Hopefully you will also be able to condemn the despicable threats to this woman and her family?
Absolutely. I've said many times on these threads, it doesn't matter who you vote for, death threats, physical attacks, throwing acid, throwing milkshakes, anything even remotely along these lines is utterly unacceptable. Maybe you should start another thread / poll asking everyone to endorse or condemn the threats. I’m guessing there won’t be many who say they endorse them. In fact I’d be amazed if anyone did, because the natural assumption is that everyone would condemn them. Thus proving your initial post asking for condemnation utterly pointless.
pingu393 said:
stevensdrs said:
So the facts are:.
The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
Yes, but if true, why not?The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
It is only interference (or an attempt at subversion) if it was staged.
The only evidence that it was staged seems to be from fake/hacked Facebook and Twitter accounts.
stevensdrs said:
So the facts are:.
The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
Kid also diagnosed with flu.The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
I've seen similar stories in the media from time to time for years - most winters there are photos of patients stuck in corridors.
Interesting. I had to spend some time recently with my brother in an A&E waiting room. We were there for probably 8 hours in total (being seen by various doctors and nurses before receiving laser surgery that evening to prevent him losing his sight in that eye).
At various points we had to sit in the waiting room. At no point did either of us think about lying on the floor, complaining about the government or sending a picture to the newspapers. We appreciated that the staff were doing their best, were helping him and that there were higher priorities were bough in (like the kid with a pen sticking out of his eye) we accepted that they were higher priorities.
At various points we had to sit in the waiting room. At no point did either of us think about lying on the floor, complaining about the government or sending a picture to the newspapers. We appreciated that the staff were doing their best, were helping him and that there were higher priorities were bough in (like the kid with a pen sticking out of his eye) we accepted that they were higher priorities.
I don’t usually post on these threads, but with the NHS treating millions of patients per year and with a million staff, there will always be an anecdote of a less than perfect experience somewhere, whoever’s in government.
Finding this “NHS porn” of a single child, or old person, or whatever who hasn’t had ideal treatment offers no evidence for whether a given political party is right or wrong whatsoever. If anything, an individual case should be raised with a health trust.
It just totally diverts the debate away from real discussion to emotional nonsense - much the same as the “benefits street” type programmes do about benefits.
It’s a real shame - for the national health service - that the debate surrounding its future has become about who reacts to a picture and how.
Finding this “NHS porn” of a single child, or old person, or whatever who hasn’t had ideal treatment offers no evidence for whether a given political party is right or wrong whatsoever. If anything, an individual case should be raised with a health trust.
It just totally diverts the debate away from real discussion to emotional nonsense - much the same as the “benefits street” type programmes do about benefits.
It’s a real shame - for the national health service - that the debate surrounding its future has become about who reacts to a picture and how.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Interesting. I had to spend some time recently with my brother in an A&E waiting room. We were there for probably 8 hours in total (being seen by various doctors and nurses before receiving laser surgery that evening to prevent him losing his sight in that eye).
At various points we had to sit in the waiting room. At no point did either of us think about lying on the floor, complaining about the government or sending a picture to the newspapers. We appreciated that the staff were doing their best, were helping him and that there were higher priorities were bough in (like the kid with a pen sticking out of his eye) we accepted that they were higher priorities.
You non-attention seeking wAt various points we had to sit in the waiting room. At no point did either of us think about lying on the floor, complaining about the government or sending a picture to the newspapers. We appreciated that the staff were doing their best, were helping him and that there were higher priorities were bough in (like the kid with a pen sticking out of his eye) we accepted that they were higher priorities.
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fblm said:
anonymous said:
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28m households x 6000 = 168bn.... consider it demolished
Cue John McDonnell with his cuddly grandad assurances that of course they'll all stick around for that . . .stevensdrs said:
So the facts are:.
The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
The issue is not the pic even though people want to make it that, Boris chums in IT decided to try to rubbish it cos it showed him up, that is what happened. On the back of that they got a car crash claim of assault (Hancock races to hospital to do something), all pushed by Tory HQ as well for the latter and almost defiantly involved in the rubbishing pic bit. The pic really is really not the story here.The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
Zirconia said:
stevensdrs said:
So the facts are:.
The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
The issue is not the pic even though people want to make it that, Boris chums in IT decided to try to rubbish it cos it showed him up, that is what happened. On the back of that they got a car crash claim of assault (Hancock races to hospital to do something), all pushed by Tory HQ as well for the latter and almost defiantly involved in the rubbishing pic bit. The pic really is really not the story here.The kid was seen, diagnosed with tonsillitis, given oxygen and air through a mask and had a bed.
Due to a more serious case needing the bed, kid is given a chair to sit on while still on the mask.
For whatever reason, kid is then lying on the floor on coats presumably supplied by the mother and a photo is taken.
Said photo is then sent to the local paper.
Why would you send that photo unless you wanted to score points against someone? The whole thing stinks of interference in an election.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Interesting. I had to spend some time recently with my brother in an A&E waiting room. We were there for probably 8 hours in total (being seen by various doctors and nurses before receiving laser surgery that evening to prevent him losing his sight in that eye).
At various points we had to sit in the waiting room. At no point did either of us think about lying on the floor, complaining about the government or sending a picture to the newspapers. We appreciated that the staff were doing their best, were helping him and that there were higher priorities were bough in (like the kid with a pen sticking out of his eye) we accepted that they were higher priorities.
That’s very ‘old school’ of you, least you will know what to do if there is a next time! At various points we had to sit in the waiting room. At no point did either of us think about lying on the floor, complaining about the government or sending a picture to the newspapers. We appreciated that the staff were doing their best, were helping him and that there were higher priorities were bough in (like the kid with a pen sticking out of his eye) we accepted that they were higher priorities.
Labour have told that many lies and tried that many smears Boris for at least the near future is immune fom them.
Thise that have already decided wont be swayed even if something bad is actually true as his oeople verses parliament strategy is working, anybody that talks against him is one of 'them' not one of us.
Should get his 9 seats and about 25 more for good measure
Thise that have already decided wont be swayed even if something bad is actually true as his oeople verses parliament strategy is working, anybody that talks against him is one of 'them' not one of us.
Should get his 9 seats and about 25 more for good measure
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