Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Dont like rolls said:
biggbn said:
R Mutt said:
That's a generalisation about others generalisations but looking at how widely they hold the notion that Tory voters are sort of villain, traitor, or worse if they're from a working class background, or otherwise an elitist Toff, then they're probably not that interested in the nuances.
Would that be like the generalisation that all labour voters are communist sympathising antisemite vegans who are professionaly offended and are far left Marxists?R Mutt said:
jonby said:
Essentially, jews and the succesful are part of the same group in labour's eyes
That's a generalisation about others generalisations but looking at how widely they hold the notion that Tory voters are sort of villain, traitor, or worse if they're from a working class background, or otherwise an elitist Toff, then they're probably not that interested in the nuances.In Marxism, capitalism depends on exploiting the workers. Capitalism is not just a financial model, but also a political one. You are either a worker being taken advantage of or a rich boss taking advantage of the workers
Every person, institution, class, etc has to fit into one of those two polar opposites
Hence all rich are evil
In turn, they have an absolute need to pigeonhole jews into one of those two categories. No guessing which we fall into. That, in a nutshell, is why AS is at the forefront in labour under corbyn and his closest supporters. It's why the party can't get rid of AS with him at the helm
So yes it's a generalisation and yes, politics in general across the spectrum has become more polarised. But it's always particularly prevalent in Marxists
jonby said:
Marxism in particular thrives on generalisations and polarisation at it's very core
In Marxism, capitalism depends on exploiting the workers. Capitalism is not just a financial model, but also a political one. You are either a worker being taken advantage of or a rich boss taking advantage of the workers
Every person, institution, class, etc has to fit into one of those two polar opposites
Hence all rich are evil
In turn, they have an absolute need to pigeonhole jews into one of those two categories. No guessing which we fall into. That, in a nutshell, is why AS is at the forefront in labour under corbyn and his closest supporters. It's why the party can't get rid of AS with him at the helm
So yes it's a generalisation and yes, politics in general across the spectrum has become more polarised. But it's always particularly prevalent in Marxists
This is pretty much spot on, in my opinion.In Marxism, capitalism depends on exploiting the workers. Capitalism is not just a financial model, but also a political one. You are either a worker being taken advantage of or a rich boss taking advantage of the workers
Every person, institution, class, etc has to fit into one of those two polar opposites
Hence all rich are evil
In turn, they have an absolute need to pigeonhole jews into one of those two categories. No guessing which we fall into. That, in a nutshell, is why AS is at the forefront in labour under corbyn and his closest supporters. It's why the party can't get rid of AS with him at the helm
So yes it's a generalisation and yes, politics in general across the spectrum has become more polarised. But it's always particularly prevalent in Marxists
The far left requires a simplistic them vs us narrative. Its utterly divisive and poisonous.
biggbn said:
R Mutt said:
That's a generalisation about others generalisations but looking at how widely they hold the notion that Tory voters are sort of villain, traitor, or worse if they're from a working class background, or otherwise an elitist Toff, then they're probably not that interested in the nuances.
Would that be like the generalisation that all labour voters are communist sympathising antisemite vegans who are professionaly offended and are far left Marxists?jonby said:
biggbn said:
R Mutt said:
That's a generalisation about others generalisations but looking at how widely they hold the notion that Tory voters are sort of villain, traitor, or worse if they're from a working class background, or otherwise an elitist Toff, then they're probably not that interested in the nuances.
Would that be like the generalisation that all labour voters are communist sympathising antisemite vegans who are professionaly offended and are far left Marxists?ORD said:
jonby said:
Marxism in particular thrives on generalisations and polarisation at it's very core
In Marxism, capitalism depends on exploiting the workers. Capitalism is not just a financial model, but also a political one. You are either a worker being taken advantage of or a rich boss taking advantage of the workers
Every person, institution, class, etc has to fit into one of those two polar opposites
Hence all rich are evil
In turn, they have an absolute need to pigeonhole jews into one of those two categories. No guessing which we fall into. That, in a nutshell, is why AS is at the forefront in labour under corbyn and his closest supporters. It's why the party can't get rid of AS with him at the helm
So yes it's a generalisation and yes, politics in general across the spectrum has become more polarised. But it's always particularly prevalent in Marxists
This is pretty much spot on, in my opinion.In Marxism, capitalism depends on exploiting the workers. Capitalism is not just a financial model, but also a political one. You are either a worker being taken advantage of or a rich boss taking advantage of the workers
Every person, institution, class, etc has to fit into one of those two polar opposites
Hence all rich are evil
In turn, they have an absolute need to pigeonhole jews into one of those two categories. No guessing which we fall into. That, in a nutshell, is why AS is at the forefront in labour under corbyn and his closest supporters. It's why the party can't get rid of AS with him at the helm
So yes it's a generalisation and yes, politics in general across the spectrum has become more polarised. But it's always particularly prevalent in Marxists
The far left requires a simplistic them vs us narrative. Its utterly divisive and poisonous.
The absurdity of a Marxist government coming in and smashing this country’s fiscal structure to bits, to appease people who it has duped into believing they are poor, when they are amongst the worlds wealthiest with free housing, education and healthcare, is beyond parody. The price the poorest in this country will have to pay following such a government will be severe.
jsf said:
Very much edited.
McDonell also lied when called on the no billionaires should exist quote. Watch again and see what he says.
full discusion here https://soundcloud.com/spectator1828/today-program...McDonell also lied when called on the no billionaires should exist quote. Watch again and see what he says.
jsf said:
full discusion here https://soundcloud.com/spectator1828/today-program...
The man is some form of genetic throwback !ORD said:
jonby said:
Marxism in particular thrives on generalisations and polarisation at it's very core
In Marxism, capitalism depends on exploiting the workers. Capitalism is not just a financial model, but also a political one. You are either a worker being taken advantage of or a rich boss taking advantage of the workers
Every person, institution, class, etc has to fit into one of those two polar opposites
Hence all rich are evil
In turn, they have an absolute need to pigeonhole jews into one of those two categories. No guessing which we fall into. That, in a nutshell, is why AS is at the forefront in labour under corbyn and his closest supporters. It's why the party can't get rid of AS with him at the helm
So yes it's a generalisation and yes, politics in general across the spectrum has become more polarised. But it's always particularly prevalent in Marxists
This is pretty much spot on, in my opinion.In Marxism, capitalism depends on exploiting the workers. Capitalism is not just a financial model, but also a political one. You are either a worker being taken advantage of or a rich boss taking advantage of the workers
Every person, institution, class, etc has to fit into one of those two polar opposites
Hence all rich are evil
In turn, they have an absolute need to pigeonhole jews into one of those two categories. No guessing which we fall into. That, in a nutshell, is why AS is at the forefront in labour under corbyn and his closest supporters. It's why the party can't get rid of AS with him at the helm
So yes it's a generalisation and yes, politics in general across the spectrum has become more polarised. But it's always particularly prevalent in Marxists
The far left requires a simplistic them vs us narrative. Its utterly divisive and poisonous.
McDonnell earlier today:
"Those who’ve had it good for so long are terrified. Terrified of losing control. When they attack me, or Jeremy, we know it’s not really about us. It’s about you. They hate the people of this country.
“They hate the idea you might dream of a better life. No wonder they will stop at nothing to keep you from taking control of the country where you live.”
The great irony is that the above could be applied to McDonnell himself. I hate him more every day.
Source:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-mcdo...
biggbn said:
jonby said:
biggbn said:
R Mutt said:
That's a generalisation about others generalisations but looking at how widely they hold the notion that Tory voters are sort of villain, traitor, or worse if they're from a working class background, or otherwise an elitist Toff, then they're probably not that interested in the nuances.
Would that be like the generalisation that all labour voters are communist sympathising antisemite vegans who are professionaly offended and are far left Marxists?Edited by R Mutt on Monday 9th December 20:21
I would love to hear how the wealthy are keeping people down in this country??
Last time I checked everyone gets to go to school where you have the opportunity to build a future for yourself.
Of course there are those who have greater opportunity than others but how does that affect anyone else’s success??
I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth but I can’t think how that would affect anyone else’s opportunities. Surely billionaires actually create opportunities for others? Hasn’t someone like Dyson created loads of design jobs?
I know for a fact he has reinvested back into the school he went to although you could say that doesn’t help.
Last time I checked everyone gets to go to school where you have the opportunity to build a future for yourself.
Of course there are those who have greater opportunity than others but how does that affect anyone else’s success??
I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth but I can’t think how that would affect anyone else’s opportunities. Surely billionaires actually create opportunities for others? Hasn’t someone like Dyson created loads of design jobs?
I know for a fact he has reinvested back into the school he went to although you could say that doesn’t help.
ntiz said:
I would love to hear how the wealthy are keeping people down in this country??
Jews, innit.ntiz said:
Last time I checked everyone gets to go to school where you have the opportunity to build a future for yourself.
Yeah, but private schools build one for you. They gave BoJo the PM job through contacts.ntiz said:
Of course there are those who have greater opportunity than others but how does that affect anyone else’s success??
It's about equality of outcome. Even if that means we all get nothing.ntiz said:
I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth but I can’t think how that would affect anyone else’s opportunities. Surely billionaires actually create opportunities for others? Hasn’t someone like Dyson created loads of design jobs?
Not in Venezuela he hasn't.ntiz said:
I know for a fact he has reinvested back into the school he went to although you could say that doesn’t help.
That doesn't help.Think that covers it.
ntiz said:
I would love to hear how the wealthy are keeping people down in this country??
Last time I checked everyone gets to go to school where you have the opportunity to build a future for yourself.
Of course there are those who have greater opportunity than others but how does that affect anyone else’s success??
I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth but I can’t think how that would affect anyone else’s opportunities. Surely billionaires actually create opportunities for others? Hasn’t someone like Dyson created loads of design jobs?
I know for a fact he has reinvested back into the school he went to although you could say that doesn’t help.
Well I frequently observe nepotism at work which simply wouldn't be afforded to someone who didn't have wealthy connections. Although I'm from the same working class background as those who haven't done so well for themselves and bemoan the inequality, and the guy whose dad is mates with Richard Branson has left the job to go traveling anyway because he didn't actually need the money. Last time I checked everyone gets to go to school where you have the opportunity to build a future for yourself.
Of course there are those who have greater opportunity than others but how does that affect anyone else’s success??
I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth but I can’t think how that would affect anyone else’s opportunities. Surely billionaires actually create opportunities for others? Hasn’t someone like Dyson created loads of design jobs?
I know for a fact he has reinvested back into the school he went to although you could say that doesn’t help.
There's no system where this wouldn't exist. In fact the worst examples of this are seen under communism, or closer to home, in the criminal offspring of Labour MPs
Edited by R Mutt on Monday 9th December 21:13
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