Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)

[anonymous-user]

chrispmartha said:

Maybe Corbyn should start hiding in Fridges

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Hi
I ask you to remove this post as I am deeply shocked and offended by it.
As a youngster I well remember the adverts advising children not to hide in fridges as they became trapped inside them and suffocated
I myself was once locked in the meat fridge at Tesco's in Bispham, Blackpool by accident. I was in there for some 20 minutes and when your only companion is half a pig hanging upside down it makes you realise life is important
it has brought back some upsetting memories of these adverts and experience I ask you to be more sensitive in future
thanks
TD

[Evanivitch]

arguti said:

I could be wrong but i thought PFI was an idea dreamed up by the Major government and implemented only by Labour; Labour certainly went hell for leather for PFI, which along with the Gold and Pension debacles on Brown's watch (let's not even talk about the GFC) casts doubt on Brown's being known ad the prudent Chancellor!

You are wrong. John Major's government were active in awarding PFI deals.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul...

Data shows:
23 schemes achieved financial close before or on 01/05/1997.
Data doesn't show how many were pre-contract prior to 1997 election.
718 deals closed by 2012.

[anonymous-user]

There is a lot of bks said about Corbyn.

What strikes me is that he genuinely cares about people. You might disagree with his policies but he wants to make things better for people, that's his ideology and the motivation behind everything he does.

Boris is only looking out for himself and always trying to find ways to screw you. He isn't there to serve you, he's there to serve himself and his mates.

[Mothersruin]

Digga said:

Evanivitch said:

Digga said:

Interesting take on the boy in Leeds hospital story on Twitter:

Dawn Melvin on Twitter said:

What happened to this little boy is really awful. What @jeremycorbyn
isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy

https://twitter.com/DawnWestgate/status/1204105274602217474

PFI started under John Major, and grew further under Blair. But Corbyn was never a supporter.

Agree, it was one of the various failings of Major, but it was Labour that really went for it.

I thought Major was using PFI for revenue producing, so it could pay back, infrastructure, rather than to push the costs down the road (and under the table)?

[andymadmak]

arguti said:

I could be wrong but i thought PFI was an idea dreamed up by the Major government and implemented only by Labour; Labour certainly went hell for leather for PFI, which along with the Gold and Pension debacles on Brown's watch (let's not even talk about the GFC) casts doubt on Brown's being known ad the prudent Chancellor!

Not quite. PFI is actually an Australian idea. The Conservatives imported the idea. It was designed to be used to finance infrastructure projects that could generate their own income from customer use - such as toll roads, bridges etc. It was never intended for use on general government expenditure on things like hospitals and schools etc. (for obvious reason that those kinds of projects don't produce revenue from those that use them)

Blair/Brown extended the use of PFI dramatically, - most pertinently into those areas that were unsuitable, so as to keep the level of actual borrowing off the Uk balance sheet (so to speak). They could boast long and loud about X number of new schools and Y number of shiny new hospitals without actually having to find too much cash from the get-go. We are seeing that legacy now.
Moreover, much (not all) of what was built under PFI was unsuitable even before it opened. New hospitals sometimes had less capacity than the old ones they replaced, or in some cases were built with zero regard to the likely increase in capacity that would be required in the coming decade. Still, they looked nice and people swallowed the idea that Labour was 'modernising the NHS'.

Roll on the day (if it ever dawns) when the NHS is NOT under the control of Government. Publicly funded? Yes. Free at the point of use? Yes. Run by politicians at national and local level? Absolutely not.

[urquattroGus]

kuro68k said:

There is a lot of bks said about Corbyn.

What strikes me is that he genuinely cares about people. You might disagree with his policies but he wants to make things better for people, that's his ideology and the motivation behind everything he does.

Boris is only looking out for himself and always trying to find ways to screw you. He isn't there to serve you, he's there to serve himself and his mates.

Haha you've fallen for the Friendly Grandpa routine? Either that or top trolling.

[Burwood]

urquattroGus said:

kuro68k said:

There is a lot of bks said about Corbyn.

What strikes me is that he genuinely cares about people. You might disagree with his policies but he wants to make things better for people, that's his ideology and the motivation behind everything he does.

Boris is only looking out for himself and always trying to find ways to screw you. He isn't there to serve you, he's there to serve himself and his mates.

Haha you've fallen for the Friendly Grandpa routine? Either that or top trolling.

Don't feed the troll

[Munter]

kuro68k said:

There is a lot of bks said about Corbyn.

You know...you're not wrong with that. You even followed it up with proof.

[BOR]

Smiler. said:

Just heard him being interviewed...by Nick Robinson...Robinson asks:

Jeremy Corbyn, I've spent an hour talking to your cheerleaders here. They like you, but they say to me "it's a tough sell on the doorstep & someone is putting it about that you're a friend of terrorists, a friend of the IRA - how do you answer that, how do you deal with it?".

It's a great pressure point.

It's easy to fling out the IRA sympathiser mud, because thick people can't seem to string together the thought process that starts with various pressure groups, a very small number of politicians and a few investigative journalists campaigning for equal rights and treatment of the nationalist poulation of Northern Ireland, and ends with the IRA/Sinn Fein forming a power sharing government, and an end to that discrimination.

I suspect, for many, this was viewed as a capitulation to the IRA, and therefore, anyone who supported the aims of republicanism, can conveniently be linked to terrorism, when that isn't the case.

How would the people who supported the appeals of the Birmingham Six and the Guilford Four be viewed, if those cases had never been overturned ?

What about those people who claimed that British paratroopers had shot dead unarmed british civilians on Bloody Sunday? Until the 3rd inquiry had overturned the previous whitewashes, those campaigners would have been viewed as liars or IRA suppporters, although there is no link.

If I was Conservative Central Office and had no morals, I would definitely keep flinging this mud.

[Evanivitch]

Mothersruin said:

Digga said:

Evanivitch said:

Digga said:

Interesting take on the boy in Leeds hospital story on Twitter:

Dawn Melvin on Twitter said:

What happened to this little boy is really awful. What @jeremycorbyn
isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy

https://twitter.com/DawnWestgate/status/1204105274602217474

PFI started under John Major, and grew further under Blair. But Corbyn was never a supporter.

Agree, it was one of the various failings of Major, but it was Labour that really went for it.

I thought Major was using PFI for revenue producing, so it could pay back, infrastructure, rather than to push the costs down the road (and under the table)?

This is the BS train that keeps going... No apologies for lack of formatting.

M6 Toll (formerly Birmingham Northern Relief Road 'BNRR') Department for Transport Highways Agency
HMP Altcourse Ministry of Justice NOMS
A69 Carlisle to Newcastle Department for Transport Highways Agency
HMP Parc Ministry of Justice NOMS
A1(M) Alconbury to Peterborough Department for Transport Highways Agency
A417/A419 Swindon to Gloucester Department for Transport Highways Agency
Ferryfield House Scottish Government NHS Lothian
M1-A1 Lofthouse to Bramham Link Department for Transport Highways Agency
A50/A564 Stoke to Derby Link Department for Transport Highways Agency
A30/A35 Exeter to Bere Regis Department for Transport Highways Agency
TAFMIS (IT) Ministry of Defence Ministry of Defence
M40 Denham to Warwick Department for Transport Highways Agency
A19 Dishforth to Tyne Tunnel DBFO Department for Transport Highways Agency
DLR Lewisham Department for Transport Transport for London
HMP Lowdham Grange Ministry of Justice NOMS
Highland Scottish Government Scottish Water
Bootle PFI HM Revenue and Customs IR
Edinburgh PFI HM Revenue and Customs IR
Glasgow PFI HM Revenue and Customs IR
HIS (Yorkhill) Scottish Government NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde
STC Cookham Wood Ministry of Justice Youth Justice Board
M6 DBFO Scottish Government Scottish Government
RVH Car Park Northern Ireland Executive Belfast Health & Social Care Trust (formerly Royal Group of Hospitals HSS Trust)

[andymadmak]

kuro68k said:

There is a lot of bks said about Corbyn.

What strikes me is that he genuinely cares about people. You might disagree with his policies but he wants to make things better for people, that's his ideology and the motivation behind everything he does.

Boris is only looking out for himself and always trying to find ways to screw you. He isn't there to serve you, he's there to serve himself and his mates.

Corbyn does not care. He says anything that will get him elected. It's easy to give "Miss World contestant" type answers to difficult questions when you don't have a clue how you're actually going to deliver the goods.

We all want world peace, an end to environmental destruction, to ensure that the poor get a decent chance in life, that kids all get the chance of a decent education, that the elderly have dignity in their old age, that employers and employees are both treated with respect, an end to slavery, an end to absolute poverty (its noticeable that Labour now uses the utterly disingenuous 'relative poverty' mantra), a decent public healthcare system etc etc. Saying you want those things most certainly is not the preserve of Labour or Corbyn. Any decent human being of whatever political viewpoint wants those things.

BUT, the issue is how to achieve them. By encouraging enterprise, operating a lower tax economy, encouraging people into work and to have a stake in society? Or by punishing those that succeed, taking huge parts of the economy into public ownership (where it will be run as badly as the NHS is now) ?

In my view, Labours plan represents economic armageddon for this country. The wealthy will flee, the middle and working classes will be left to pay for Labour profligacy and electoral bribery. Heathrow moves 200k people per day (I think). It's a sobering thought that the top 12% of tax payers, who pay 50%+ plus of ALL income tax could be out of the country within a few hours of a Labour victory.
If you're in that 12% , why on earth would you stay to be financially raped? To celebrate the 'social justice' that your rape represents? Delusional.
And if you think that last point is harsh, just watch the Neil interview with Corbyn...

[Digga]

Well the pound dropped this morning on the mere threat of Labour having a hand in a hung parliament. Can anyone imagine what a hard-left Labour government could do?

Oh, wait: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/...

[psi310398]

Evanivitch said:

You are wrong. John Major's government were active in awarding PFI deals.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul...

Data shows:
23 schemes achieved financial close before or on 01/05/1997.
Data doesn't show how many were pre-contract prior to 1997 election.
718 deals closed by 2012.

Without getting into the rights and wrongs of PFI, very few of the Major deals actually were genuine PFI, more like traditional concessions (e.g. the Dartford crossing) gussied up to look like PFIs.

The reasons were two or threefold:

- the main one was that the banks would not lend against 25 year projects until and unless they were assured that Labour would honour the deals;

- Lamont and Clarke (and their civil servants) hadn't thought through the complexity of applying project finance techniques to public spending and, while these were well understood in, say, the oil and gas industries, the use of output specifications and payment by performance/availability were not well understood in the public sector;

- it needed the establishment of the Treasury Taskforce under Adrian Montague to provide a pool of experts who could support frankly very ordinary public sector procurement people with the task of negotiating a PFI contract.

It was only with the enthusiastic blessing of the new Labour government and the establishment of a standardised process for negotiating and agreeing these deals that the whole thing took off, for better or for worse.

[anonymous-user]

andymadmak said:

Corbyn does not care. He says anything that will get him elected. It's easy to give "Miss World contestant" type answers to difficult questions when you don't have a clue how you're actually going to deliver the goods.

Have you listened to him in debates? He gives very specific answers about issues that affect people, which he genuinely appears to understand.

Boris is a broken robot. It started with David Cambot who could only give pre-prepared answers like one of those rubbish telephone menu systems. Maybot was stuck on repeat most of the time, with her nonsense "brexit means brexit" mantra. Then you got Boris, with his broken hard drive making him sound like a record skipping, but when something does eventually come out it's just the same old spin-doctor lines.

And if you want to talk about not knowing how to deliver, Boris pissed away his majority and failed to get almost anything done. The deal he negotiated is worse than May's. Corbyn has been doing this a lot longer than Boris and doesn't treat government like it's Eaton for adult children.

[psi310398]

Evanivitch said:

This is the BS train that keeps going... No apologies for lack of formatting.

M6 Toll (formerly Birmingham Northern Relief Road 'BNRR') Department for Transport Highways Agency
HMP Altcourse Ministry of Justice NOMS
A69 Carlisle to Newcastle Department for Transport Highways Agency
HMP Parc Ministry of Justice NOMS
A1(M) Alconbury to Peterborough Department for Transport Highways Agency
A417/A419 Swindon to Gloucester Department for Transport Highways Agency
Ferryfield House Scottish Government NHS Lothian
M1-A1 Lofthouse to Bramham Link Department for Transport Highways Agency
A50/A564 Stoke to Derby Link Department for Transport Highways Agency
A30/A35 Exeter to Bere Regis Department for Transport Highways Agency
TAFMIS (IT) Ministry of Defence Ministry of Defence
M40 Denham to Warwick Department for Transport Highways Agency
A19 Dishforth to Tyne Tunnel DBFO Department for Transport Highways Agency
DLR Lewisham Department for Transport Transport for London
HMP Lowdham Grange Ministry of Justice NOMS
Highland Scottish Government Scottish Water
Bootle PFI HM Revenue and Customs IR
Edinburgh PFI HM Revenue and Customs IR
Glasgow PFI HM Revenue and Customs IR
HIS (Yorkhill) Scottish Government NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde
STC Cookham Wood Ministry of Justice Youth Justice Board
M6 DBFO Scottish Government Scottish Government
RVH Car Park Northern Ireland Executive Belfast Health & Social Care Trust (formerly Royal Group of Hospitals HSS Trust)

So, mainly availability payments for road upgrades, a light railway ( a type of transport often financed by concessions) and other hard infrastructure, or sales and leasebacks on property estates.

I can see a couple of prisons/borstals in there but no schools, hospitals etc

[Evanivitch]

psi310398 said:

Without getting into the rights and wrongs of PFI, very few of the Major deals actually were genuine PFI, more like traditional concessions (e.g. the Dartford crossing) gussied up to look like PFIs.

Seems there's a lot of prisons on the list. Always a money maker...

[Digga]

kuro68k said:

andymadmak said:

Corbyn does not care. He says anything that will get him elected. It's easy to give "Miss World contestant" type answers to difficult questions when you don't have a clue how you're actually going to deliver the goods.

Have you listened to him in debates? He gives very specific answers about issues that affect people, which he genuinely appears to understand.

Boris is a broken robot. It started with David Cambot who could only give pre-prepared answers like one of those rubbish telephone menu systems. Maybot was stuck on repeat most of the time, with her nonsense "brexit means brexit" mantra. Then you got Boris, with his broken hard drive making him sound like a record skipping, but when something does eventually come out it's just the same old spin-doctor lines.

And if you want to talk about not knowing how to deliver, Boris pissed away his majority and failed to get almost anything done. The deal he negotiated is worse than May's. Corbyn has been doing this a lot longer than Boris and doesn't treat government like it's Eaton for adult children.

He gives no specific, let alone satisfactory answers about IRA. He persistently fails to answer questions like these.

People aren't dumb. They really see through it.

[psi310398]

Evanivitch said:

Seems there's a lot of prisons on the list. Always a money maker...

And I think four prisons = the very few that I was asserting.

[Burwood]

kuro68k said:

andymadmak said:

Corbyn does not care. He says anything that will get him elected. It's easy to give "Miss World contestant" type answers to difficult questions when you don't have a clue how you're actually going to deliver the goods.

Have you listened to him in debates? He gives very specific answers about issues that affect people, which he genuinely appears to understand.

Boris is a broken robot. It started with David Cambot who could only give pre-prepared answers like one of those rubbish telephone menu systems. Maybot was stuck on repeat most of the time, with her nonsense "brexit means brexit" mantra. Then you got Boris, with his broken hard drive making him sound like a record skipping, but when something does eventually come out it's just the same old spin-doctor lines.

And if you want to talk about not knowing how to deliver, Boris pissed away his majority and failed to get almost anything done. The deal he negotiated is worse than May's. Corbyn has been doing this a lot longer than Boris and doesn't treat government like it's Eaton for adult children.

Rubbish, he gives carefully scripted comments, avoiding the question being asked entirely. Anyway, don't stress too much on Friday

[andymadmak]

kuro68k said:

andymadmak said:

Corbyn does not care. He says anything that will get him elected. It's easy to give "Miss World contestant" type answers to difficult questions when you don't have a clue how you're actually going to deliver the goods.

Have you listened to him in debates? He gives very specific answers about issues that affect people, which he genuinely appears to understand.

Actually I have, and no, he really doesn't. For example he talks about fixing the rail industry by taking it back into public ownership...but then gets very vague about how that will happen... even vaguer about how he's going to finance it (Bizarrely he and commie John don't think that issuing Government bonds represents debt......)
Just about every solution involves borrowing more or taxing more. When those rich folks have gone, who will he tax to keep up with his promises?
You really do have to dig below the veneer!

kuro68k said:

Boris is a broken robot. It started with David Cambot who could only give pre-prepared answers like one of those rubbish telephone menu systems. Maybot was stuck on repeat most of the time, with her nonsense "brexit means brexit" mantra. Then you got Boris, with his broken hard drive making him sound like a record skipping, but when something does eventually come out it's just the same old spin-doctor lines.

I've lamented the quality of politicians of all shades, Corbyn is no better and in many ways much worse.

kuro68k said:

And if you want to talk about not knowing how to deliver, Boris pissed away his majority and failed to get almost anything done. The deal he negotiated is worse than May's. Corbyn has been doing this a lot longer than Boris and doesn't treat government like it's Eaton for adult children.

Well technically May pissed away the majority, Boris actually took some hard decisions to clear the deck in time for the election. Imagine going through this campaign with the likes of Soubry and Grieve still in your ranks and taking daily shots at you. Every day would be an Ashworth day.
Your last line just reveals that you're a bitter little fellow. On what planet should someone's school be a reason to criticise them? Surely it's what a person achieves in their school and/or life? Take Mr Corbyn for example....Oh, hang on..