Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)

[turbobloke]

AstonZagato said:

biggbn said:

pingu393 said:

Fundoreen said:

went to eton. acted like the class clown.never did any work.
Now thats a résumé . Do labour have someone of this mighty ilk?

To act the clown, not do any work, yet get into Oxford University takes some serious brains.

Do we know what his A Level grades were, or even his Uni grading?

I know he got a second class degree, all that's required academically to be hailed as smart. Like really smart. Like 24/7. May had a second class degree also. In geography. And still couldn't find her way out of Europe. Says it all really.

With all the Eton education and special prep, our pm couldn't even get a first class honours. But then, he is prime minister which shows how smart he really is. Or how stupid we are?

I read Classics at the other place at about the same time as Boris was at Oxford (and "Greats" at Oxford made it THE place to read Classics). To get a First, one had to be properly outstanding - probably less than 10% would get a First in those days. 2.1s were still a small part - I'd guess at 30-40% in the 80s. Desmonds were the norm. 40ish%, I'd suggest. Thirds were equally as rare as Firsts - normally those who bunked off to do sport/politics/acting/socilaising.

Today, after grade inflation (and students genuinely working harder than we did in our day, as they are paying for their courses), Firsts and 2.1s are the vast majority of degrees handed out. If you look at the Norrington Table today, it is about 40% getting Firsts and about the same getting 2.1s. The Tompkins Table at Cambridge shows a similar level of Firsts (lowest percentage is 18% - way above what I remember. Thirds are almost non-existent.

Indeed, the context has changed considerably over time, not least at Oxford and Cambridge. That said, comparisons over time aren't the only problem: comparisons across different institutions are fraught with difficulties, degrees in different subjects within the same institution aren't comparable, nor different options within the same degree at the same uni where different papers contribute to the final award. What's the point?! Nevertheless, some stats may be informative/entertaining at this point.

8 out of 10 students got a 1st or a 2:1 at ~50 UK universities in 2017. At 10 institutions more than 90% of students attained the two highest degree classes. This is from THES.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/universi...

[JustALooseScrew]

Burwood said:

Jeremy Corbyn has called on like-minded followers to join the Labour party in an apparent bid to ensure the election of another hard-left leader.
Reported in the Telegraph 14 mins ago

Awesome news

Does it still cost £3? Bargain investment to get them levelled and out of sight for another 10 years.

[Vanden Saab]

crofty1984 said:

HD Adam said:

I'm all for what Labour should be.

Defence of the country, a well funded NHS properly managed, benefits for those really needing help or a safety net, not lifestyle choices, a fair taxation system, reasonble rights for workers and employers, controlled immigration but I don't think it could ever be that.

Me too. If they can offer and have a decent chance of realistically delivering that I'd be down the polling booth so fast all you'd see would be a red blur.

As shown by last week's election...

[Agammemnon]

biggbn said:

Kind of the point I was trying to make. Everyone harps on about his intelligence when the paperwork doesn't back it up. However, he is pm. That suggests a native intelligence and predatory nature that is somewhat beyond what is taught at oxbridge. Academia is a gauge for potentiality, a tool we use to ascertain where someome might go. That said, some of the smartest people I have met have left school with nothing and never been to university.

A pity your first didn't cover proofreading before submission.

[Dont like rolls]

biggbn said:

I know he got a second class degree, all that's required academically to be hailed as smart. Like really smart. Like 24/7. May had a second class degree also. In geography. And still couldn't find her way out of Europe. Says it all really.

With all the Eton education and special prep, our pm couldn't even get a first class honours. But then, he is prime minister which shows how smart he really is. Or how stupid we are?

Trying to slam an insult from "couldn't even get a first class honours degree" is a little pathetic chap, well a remarkably thick attempt to be honest. Back to the keyboard son.

[Fundoreen]

turbobloke said:

pingu393 said:

Fundoreen said:

went to eton. acted like the class clown.never did any work.
Now thats a résumé . Do labour have someone of this mighty ilk?

To act the clown, not do any work, yet get into Oxford University takes some serious brains.

Do we know what his A Level grades were, or even his Uni grading?

FWIW he won a scholarship to Eton. Can't find A-level grades but his performance - excelling in English and Classics - won him the prestigious Newcastle Prize (at Eton). His academic success at Eton resulted in a place at Balliol College, Oxford, where he studied Classics (Literae Humaniores?) in which he obtained a 2:1 degree. Some other politicians follow, though Blair isn't listed as apparently he keeps his A-level grades secret, which is his prerogative.
JC managed EE at A-level
CMD got AAA
Gordon Brown allegedly got AAAA
David Miliband BBBD
Ed Miliband AABB
John Major has 6 O-levels, 3 obtained at school

TBH its not as much an attack on boris as anyone that somehow should lead us due to their place of education.
How many actual great britons that invented,discovered and solved had the same places of education as bozza.
These institutions just present you someone with arrogence,confidence and a big gob. (A line of charlie will do that)
We actually lock the best out due to snobbishness and class.

[Agammemnon]

Dont like rolls said:

biggbn said:

I know he got a second class degree, all that's required academically to be hailed as smart. Like really smart. Like 24/7. May had a second class degree also. In geography. And still couldn't find her way out of Europe. Says it all really.

With all the Eton education and special prep, our pm couldn't even get a first class honours. But then, he is prime minister which shows how smart he really is. Or how stupid we are?

Trying to slam an insult from "couldn't even get a first class honours degree" is a little pathetic chap, well a remarkably thick attempt to be honest. Back to the keyboard son.

You might mention that Jeremy Hasbyn also went to a superb school but barely matriculated & failed his Trade Union Studies degree.

[biggbn]

Agammemnon said:

biggbn said:

Kind of the point I was trying to make. Everyone harps on about his intelligence when the paperwork doesn't back it up. However, he is pm. That suggests a native intelligence and predatory nature that is somewhat beyond what is taught at oxbridge. Academia is a gauge for potentiality, a tool we use to ascertain where someome might go. That said, some of the smartest people I have met have left school with nothing and never been to university.

A pity your first didn't cover proofreading before submission.

I merely answered a question as a poster questioned my 'authority' to comment on a first (albeit mine is from a normal university and not oxbridge) and yes, I rarely proof read informal chats on an internet forum. I did not realise it was a prerequisite of membership?

Edited by biggbn on Sunday 15th December 18:34

[biggbn]

Dont like rolls said:

biggbn said:

I know he got a second class degree, all that's required academically to be hailed as smart. Like really smart. Like 24/7. May had a second class degree also. In geography. And still couldn't find her way out of Europe. Says it all really.

With all the Eton education and special prep, our pm couldn't even get a first class honours. But then, he is prime minister which shows how smart he really is. Or how stupid we are?

Trying to slam an insult from "couldn't even get a first class honours degree" is a little pathetic chap, well a remarkably thick attempt to be honest. Back to the keyboard son.

Again, perhaps I did not make myself clear. Apologies. I WAS making the point that Boris singularly fails to make the academic grade for the many who harp on about his priveledged education and wonderful intellect. I also suggested that he must be considerably smarter than most as he IS pm, identifying the uneasy alliance between 'paper' academic qualifications and real smarts. I had clarified this in subsequent posts, indeed stated that some of the smartest people I know have never attended university. Apologies for the opacity, particularly as it generated such a dismissive response. I often wonder why this place must operate like this? But then am not smart enough to figure that out....

[AstonZagato]

Fundoreen said:

These institutions just present you someone with arrogence,confidence and a big gob. (A line of charlie will do that)
We actually lock the best out due to snobbishness and class.

That is quite a chip on your shoulder there.

Cambridge has racked up 118 Nobel Prize laureates. No university has produced more, other than Harvard.

Oxford has 69. France, for comparison has the same number as Oxford.

Eton has produced two. According to the list I found. I know my school has none. As, in all probability, does yours.

But, yeah, they are just coked-up loud-mouths.

Edited by AstonZagato on Sunday 15th December 18:29

[biggbn]

AstonZagato said:

Fundoreen said:

These institutions just present you someone with arrogence,confidence and a big gob. (A line of charlie will do that)
We actually lock the best out due to snobbishness and class.

That is quite a chip on your shoulder there.

Cambridge has racked up 118 Nobel Prize laureates. No other university has produced more, other than Harvard.

Oxford has 69. France, for comparison has the same number as Oxford.

But, yeah, they are just coked-up loud-mouths.

I love statements like this...no other, except for...i actually do it all the time myself!! Reminds me of the Kevin Keegan quote, they are the second best football team in the world, and you can't get any better than that!!

[biggbn]

turbobloke said:

Indeed, the context has changed considerably over time, not least at Oxford and Cambridge. That said, comparisons over time aren't the only problem: comparisons across different institutions are fraught with difficulties, degrees in different subjects within the same institution aren't comparable, nor different options within the same degree at the same uni where different papers contribute to the final award. What's the point?! Nevertheless, some stats may be informative/entertaining at this point.

8 out of 10 students got a 1st or a 2:1 at ~50 UK universities in 2017. At 10 institutions more than 90% of students attained the two highest degree classes. This is from THES.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/universi...

Interesting. My university statistic for firsts was 31.7%, quite low in comparison to some. I wonder why? Demographic, geographic situation, nightlife, the union being and award winning one? It is interesting to have those stats, thankyou

[768]

biggbn said:

You miss the point of my post? He is universally lauded as a smart guy by his supporters. Yet he did not get a great degree.

A degree isn't a measure of how smart you are. Unfortunately, or I could've been out of there a fk sight quicker.

[biggbn]

768 said:

biggbn said:

You miss the point of my post? He is universally lauded as a smart guy by his supporters. Yet he did not get a great degree.

A degree isn't a measure of how smart you are. Unfortunately, or I could've been out of there a fk sight quicker.

Again, not my point. Obviously my posting has been clumsy given the amount of misinterpretation it has caused. Apologies, I will take more care with subsequent efforts.

[CambsBill]

Quoted from the Times this morning - "Jon Trickett, the shadow cabinet minister, said that Labour could "never again" cede power to such a "narrow cultural circle" of London intellectuals"

[Dr Jekyll]

What would have happened if Labour had put in a vaguely sensible leader instead of JC? Theresa May probably wouldn't have called the 2017 election, in which case she would still be PM and it's unlikely an improved deal would have been negotiated.

[Graveworm]

biggbn said:

Interesting. My university statistic for firsts was 31.7%, quite low in comparison to some. I wonder why? Demographic, geographic situation, nightlife, the union being and award winning one? It is interesting to have those stats, thankyou

When I was at university there was a cap of 15% cap on firsts, if too many would otherwise have firsts they raised the bar. Same with distinctions in masters.

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

AstonZagato said:

Fundoreen said:

These institutions just present you someone with arrogence,confidence and a big gob. (A line of charlie will do that)
We actually lock the best out due to snobbishness and class.

That is quite a chip on your shoulder there.

Cambridge has racked up 118 Nobel Prize laureates. No other university has produced more, other than Harvard.

Oxford has 69. France, for comparison has the same number as Oxford.

But, yeah, they are just coked-up loud-mouths.

I love statements like this...no other, except for...i actually do it all the time myself!! Reminds me of the Kevin Keegan quote, they are the second best football team in the world, and you can't get any better than that!!

Biggbn, I’m not sure if you’re drunk, purposely trying to be antagonistic or simply too upset to think straight, but I’d step away from the keyboard this evening because your posts don’t make any sense at all.

Just an observation.

[Fundoreen]

AstonZagato said:

Fundoreen said:

These institutions just present you someone with arrogence,confidence and a big gob. (A line of charlie will do that)
We actually lock the best out due to snobbishness and class.

That is quite a chip on your shoulder there.

Cambridge has racked up 118 Nobel Prize laureates. No university has produced more, other than Harvard.

Oxford has 69. France, for comparison has the same number as Oxford.

Eton has produced two. According to the list I found. I know my school has none. As, in all probability, does yours.

But, yeah, they are just coked-up loud-mouths.

Edited by AstonZagato on Sunday 15th December 18:29

I was only thinking of the bullingdon boys type but I can see that crowd blends itself into the general population of excellence once at top line universities.
Anyway in Boris's case its early days. He is like someone that bluffed his way into a top surgeons post.
At some stage he will be asked to perform some complex operations.
He probably has a man for that.

[anonymous-user]

Fundoreen said:

AstonZagato said:

Fundoreen said:

These institutions just present you someone with arrogence,confidence and a big gob. (A line of charlie will do that)
We actually lock the best out due to snobbishness and class.

That is quite a chip on your shoulder there.

Cambridge has racked up 118 Nobel Prize laureates. No university has produced more, other than Harvard.

Oxford has 69. France, for comparison has the same number as Oxford.

Eton has produced two. According to the list I found. I know my school has none. As, in all probability, does yours.

But, yeah, they are just coked-up loud-mouths.

Edited by AstonZagato on Sunday 15th December 18:29

I was only thinking of the bullingdon boys type but I can see that crowd blends itself into the general population of excellence once at top line universities.
Anyway in Boris's case its early days. He is like someone that bluffed his way into a top surgeons post.
At some stage he will be asked to perform some complex operations.
He probably has a man for that.

Well it certainly won’t be you