Manchester Derby (football) racism arrest.
Discussion
dandarez said:
That's the bit I don't get. 3 of 'em and much of the time facing the 'fans' (use that term lightly).
Christ, it's not even as if they are all bunched together. The 'one in the dock' stands out like a sore thumb. The steward in front of 'fan' would surely have heard him if he made the alleged monkey chants etc?
It's said they have it on vid. Some of the pics are from vid clips and have times on. Others don't.
If he's guilty, sling the book at him.
If he isn't, the lawyers will be lined up and he'll have a field day.
Part of the trouble today is you're guilty before innocent. Life can be f
ked up in a few seconds.
How will he have a field day? The prosecution will be trying to prove his guilt and he’ll be defending himself against that. That’s it really. He doesn’t get to grandstand and he probably won’t have a massive legal team. Do you get your opinion of the legal system from daytime US dramas?Christ, it's not even as if they are all bunched together. The 'one in the dock' stands out like a sore thumb. The steward in front of 'fan' would surely have heard him if he made the alleged monkey chants etc?
It's said they have it on vid. Some of the pics are from vid clips and have times on. Others don't.
If he's guilty, sling the book at him.
If he isn't, the lawyers will be lined up and he'll have a field day.
Part of the trouble today is you're guilty before innocent. Life can be f
ked up in a few seconds.The Stewards role is not to confront fans who could be pissed up or on drugs, that would just escalate matters. Their role is to provide a deterrent to invading the pitch or confronting players, to observe behaviour, provide evidence when necessary and inform the match day commander via appropriate methods. They’re not on that much and personally I don’t think it’s fair to ask them to police a crowd.
I folllow a lower league team.
And racism was notably worse in some areas, at the time (mid to late 90's) we had a lot of black players.
One time I can recall racism being fairly endless at Macclesfield, (ironically a club that has had 2 black managers since) where even some of the stewards were at it.
it ended up in a full on pitch brawl and them getting fined as did some of our players.
But personally I have never seen it happen!
And racism was notably worse in some areas, at the time (mid to late 90's) we had a lot of black players.
One time I can recall racism being fairly endless at Macclesfield, (ironically a club that has had 2 black managers since) where even some of the stewards were at it.
it ended up in a full on pitch brawl and them getting fined as did some of our players.
But personally I have never seen it happen!
The Moose said:
What is an "allegedly racist gesture"?!
It’s a blatantly racist gesture that’s been run past a very junior solicitor who has added “allegedly” in front of every noun or verb in a sentence. It’s designed for two reasons firstly so that those describing something that happened think they’re covering their arses by plastering it all over every sentence, so they can’t be sued. Secondly, so that some people think they can say anything to anyone about anything and the allegedly means they can’t be held to account for it (see also Without Prejudice for similar misunderstanding).
Keoparakolo said:
The Moose said:
What is an "allegedly racist gesture"?!
It’s a blatantly racist gesture that’s been run past a very junior solicitor who has added “allegedly” in front of every noun or verb in a sentence. It’s designed for two reasons firstly so that those describing something that happened think they’re covering their arses by plastering it all over every sentence, so they can’t be sued. Secondly, so that some people think they can say anything to anyone about anything and the allegedly means they can’t be held to account for it (see also Without Prejudice for similar misunderstanding).
I know what "allegedly" means in a news article!What I was more asking is what's a racist gesture because I couldn't think of any. Having Googled, I then saw the still shots and now I know what they're talking about.
The Moose said:
Keoparakolo said:
The Moose said:
What is an "allegedly racist gesture"?!
It’s a blatantly racist gesture that’s been run past a very junior solicitor who has added “allegedly” in front of every noun or verb in a sentence. It’s designed for two reasons firstly so that those describing something that happened think they’re covering their arses by plastering it all over every sentence, so they can’t be sued. Secondly, so that some people think they can say anything to anyone about anything and the allegedly means they can’t be held to account for it (see also Without Prejudice for similar misunderstanding).
I know what "allegedly" means in a news article!What I was more asking is what's a racist gesture because I couldn't think of any. Having Googled, I then saw the still shots and now I know what they're talking about.
Keoparakolo said:
Ooooooo, I wasn’t having a dig at you, I was having a dig at the phrase “allegedly racist gesture” and the trend of throwing the word allegedly about like it was confetti. It was a racist gesture, that Anthony Burke allegedly made.
I was rolling my eyes at the stupidity of it! I remember when someone I know was in law school, all events in their stories "allegedly" happened. I wasn't having a dig at you either - more the use of the word.I presume you mean it was an allegedly racist alleged gesture that was made by the alleged individual allegedly known as Anthony "allegedly" Burke?
I was watching the game and thinking - Geez, they're pretty thick if they don't realise nor care that they are in front of some pretty high quality cameras.
I did comment whether they watch themselves back home with pride or sober up and cringe!
Anybody that threw anything should be banned, never mind just focusing on (alleged) racist guy.
I did comment whether they watch themselves back home with pride or sober up and cringe!
Anybody that threw anything should be banned, never mind just focusing on (alleged) racist guy.
The Moose said:
Keoparakolo said:
Ooooooo, I wasn’t having a dig at you, I was having a dig at the phrase “allegedly racist gesture” and the trend of throwing the word allegedly about like it was confetti. It was a racist gesture, that Anthony Burke allegedly made.
I was rolling my eyes at the stupidity of it! I remember when someone I know was in law school, all events in their stories "allegedly" happened. I wasn't having a dig at you either - more the use of the word.I presume you mean it was an allegedly racist alleged gesture that was made by the alleged individual allegedly known as Anthony "allegedly" Burke?
O/T Interesting side discussion. Given, unlike say rugby players, F1 drivers, or American football players, they do not generally risk mortal injury and are less likely to suffer career ending injury, are the likes of football players overpaid?
Good video: https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456...
Good video: https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456...
Digga said:
O/T Interesting side discussion. Given, unlike say rugby players, F1 drivers, or American football players, they do not generally risk mortal injury and are less likely to suffer career ending injury, are the likes of football players overpaid?
Good video: https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456...
I think the wages in football make more sense when you look at it as an entertainment industry rather than a sport. Good video: https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456...
I dont ever really hear anyone complaining about actors earning $100million+ a year…
Digga said:
O/T Interesting side discussion. Given, unlike say rugby players, F1 drivers, or American football players, they do not generally risk mortal injury and are less likely to suffer career ending injury, are the likes of football players overpaid?
Good video: https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456...
Are golfers or baseball players at risk of death? Given the research into repeated heading of the ball causing dementia you could argue there is a long term health risk for footballers.Good video: https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456...
Warby80 said:
I think the wages in football make more sense when you look at it as an entertainment industry rather than a sport.
I dont ever really hear anyone complaining about actors earning $100million+ a year…
Yes, I can see that argument.I dont ever really hear anyone complaining about actors earning $100million+ a year…
greygoose said:
Digga said:
O/T Interesting side discussion. Given, unlike say rugby players, F1 drivers, or American football players, they do not generally risk mortal injury and are less likely to suffer career ending injury, are the likes of football players overpaid?
Good video: https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456...
Are golfers or baseball players at risk of death? Given the research into repeated heading of the ball causing dementia you could argue there is a long term health risk for footballers.Good video: https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456...
Furthermore, with a team game, there's a huge element of other players creating the situations for the glory boys to capitalise on. This, of course, is true of F1; without a good car AND a good pit crew, you are nowhere, but then even at the back (arguably more so there) you are still at risk of serious accident.
Tennisers and golfists at least, stand or fall completely on their own merits. So despite the fact they are in no great danger, I can sort of see the elevated status.
All of this just a sideline; I'm not averse to players being well remunerated for their obvious talents, but it is part of the dynamic that's moved the sport a long way from its original, working class, man of the people roots.
Sorry if I’m being a bit thick.
WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
stitched said:
Sorry if I’m being a bit thick.
WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
if you were his employer would you want to employ someone who engages in this type of behaviour, has his employer's name been released in any of the press?, if so they have perfectly reasonable grounds to suspend him until the outcome is known.WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
Edit:
Yes they have been named, I would have suspended him too if he worked for me.
from the mail
"MailOnline identified the fan arrested as Anthony Burke, an Army veteran who works as a civil engineering manager at Kier Group.
Kier announced on Sunday that an employee had been suspended pending an investigation."
Edited by chrispmartha on Wednesday 11th December 09:09
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