Manchester Derby (football) racism arrest.
Discussion
stitched said:
Sorry if I’m being a bit thick.
WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
Their name has been dragged through the press and associated with him and his actions. Most companies have a statement in the contract about bringing the company name into disrepute, whether it’s sufficient misconduct to warrant dismissal is yet to be seen. I think it will be though. WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
stitched said:
Sorry if I’m being a bit thick.
WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
Most employment contracts include clauses around conduct bringing the company into disrepute.WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
Then there is the aspect of discrimination in the workplace. The feelings and opinions of his colleagues, all of them, would make retaining him very awkward, to say the least.
HR is a minefield.
Digga said:
That's really why I said "the likes" of footballers.
Furthermore, with a team game, there's a huge element of other players creating the situations for the glory boys to capitalise on. This, of course, is true of F1; without a good car AND a good pit crew, you are nowhere, but then even at the back (arguably more so there) you are still at risk of serious accident.
Tennisers and golfists at least, stand or fall completely on their own merits. So despite the fact they are in no great danger, I can sort of see the elevated status.
All of this just a sideline; I'm not averse to players being well remunerated for their obvious talents, but it is part of the dynamic that's moved the sport a long way from its original, working class, man of the people roots.
It’s not about the risk of death. A lot of motorbike racers are paid peanuts, TT / Irish road racers don’t earn the big bucks, but they are the ones who you’ll see die fairly frequently. Surely anyone will try to maximise their earnings, especially in a career that’s so short. Do City financiers deserve their multi-million pound income? After all they aren’t likely to get killed. Furthermore, with a team game, there's a huge element of other players creating the situations for the glory boys to capitalise on. This, of course, is true of F1; without a good car AND a good pit crew, you are nowhere, but then even at the back (arguably more so there) you are still at risk of serious accident.
Tennisers and golfists at least, stand or fall completely on their own merits. So despite the fact they are in no great danger, I can sort of see the elevated status.
All of this just a sideline; I'm not averse to players being well remunerated for their obvious talents, but it is part of the dynamic that's moved the sport a long way from its original, working class, man of the people roots.
Football is by far the largest sport in the world and as such it attracts mega money.
Digga said:
stitched said:
Sorry if I’m being a bit thick.
WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
Most employment contracts include clauses around conduct bringing the company into disrepute.WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
Then there is the aspect of discrimination in the workplace. The feelings and opinions of his colleagues, all of them, would make retaining him very awkward, to say the least.
HR is a minefield.
stitched said:
I’d get this if it were a works day out with all wearing corporate kit, but can an employer really dismiss for an infraction on your day off? Next it’s dismissal for support of a political party your employer didn’t vote for.
Yes it is possible depending on how severe your actions are. No, it’s no even close to that stage being the norm. However, people have already been dismissed from the Armed Forces for membership of the BNP when that list was leaked about 10 years ago, as that is contractually forbidden.
Read your contract of employment and employee handbook, you’ll probably find you have a clause about bringing the company name into disrepute.
Pericoloso said:
There was another at a league 2 match yesterday ,a Forest Green rovers fan was overheard by a linesman ,spoke to ref
who then spoke to both team managers.
The individual then got grassed on by his fellow supporters and duly removed......and banned for life.
"grassed on"? Is he a master criminal? Was it one of his gang? Tsk.who then spoke to both team managers.
The individual then got grassed on by his fellow supporters and duly removed......and banned for life.
stitched said:
Digga said:
stitched said:
Sorry if I’m being a bit thick.
WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
Most employment contracts include clauses around conduct bringing the company into disrepute.WTF is his employer to do with this?
He wasn’t exactly wearing a work shirt or staying in a corporate box, if guilty of racist gestures then ban him from the sport by all means, prosecute if appropriate.
But really, sack him for poor behaviour on a day off?
Then there is the aspect of discrimination in the workplace. The feelings and opinions of his colleagues, all of them, would make retaining him very awkward, to say the least.
HR is a minefield.
Keoparakolo said:
stitched said:
I’d get this if it were a works day out with all wearing corporate kit, but can an employer really dismiss for an infraction on your day off? Next it’s dismissal for support of a political party your employer didn’t vote for.
Yes it is possible depending on how severe your actions are. No, it’s no even close to that stage being the norm. However, people have already been dismissed from the Armed Forces for membership of the BNP when that list was leaked about 10 years ago, as that is contractually forbidden.
Read your contract of employment and employee handbook, you’ll probably find you have a clause about bringing the company name into disrepute.
Keoparakolo said:
Digga said:
Very sound advice. Why does no one ever seem to do this?
For the same reason those being dismissed for poor attendance often start their appeal with the words “but I was really ill this time ..........” Digga said:
Keoparakolo said:
Digga said:
Very sound advice. Why does no one ever seem to do this?
For the same reason those being dismissed for poor attendance often start their appeal with the words “but I was really ill this time ..........” Ok ban him from all football stadiums for life, I agree.
But losing his job/career over a split second moronic gesture when he was most likely pissed up and caught up in the moment seems a bit harsh to me. That isn't in any way condoning his behaviour, he's old enough to know better.
On the flipside, I suppose that's what you have to expect in this social media age, where any high profile thing like this has your name and face plastered all over the place within a few minutes, not good publicity for Kier.
All the w
kers throwing coins/bottles should also be hit with the same punishment imo.
But losing his job/career over a split second moronic gesture when he was most likely pissed up and caught up in the moment seems a bit harsh to me. That isn't in any way condoning his behaviour, he's old enough to know better.
On the flipside, I suppose that's what you have to expect in this social media age, where any high profile thing like this has your name and face plastered all over the place within a few minutes, not good publicity for Kier.
All the w
kers throwing coins/bottles should also be hit with the same punishment imo.Gary29 said:
Ok ban him from all football stadiums for life, I agree.
But losing his job/career over a split second moronic gesture when he was most likely pissed up and caught up in the moment seems a bit harsh to me. That isn't in any way condoning his behaviour, he's old enough to know better.
On the flipside, I suppose that's what you have to expect in this social media age, where any high profile thing like this has your name and face plastered all over the place within a few minutes, not good publicity for Kier.
All the wkers throwing coins/bottles should also be hit with the same punishment imo.
Not sure "I'm a moron, got pissed and a bit carried away" is much of a defence. Not the sort of guy I'd want to be working next to on a construction site. I await the "I have black friends" line coming out soon too.But losing his job/career over a split second moronic gesture when he was most likely pissed up and caught up in the moment seems a bit harsh to me. That isn't in any way condoning his behaviour, he's old enough to know better.
On the flipside, I suppose that's what you have to expect in this social media age, where any high profile thing like this has your name and face plastered all over the place within a few minutes, not good publicity for Kier.
All the w
kers throwing coins/bottles should also be hit with the same punishment imo.Keoparakolo said:
Digga said:
Keoparakolo said:
Digga said:
Very sound advice. Why does no one ever seem to do this?
For the same reason those being dismissed for poor attendance often start their appeal with the words “but I was really ill this time ..........” "Why were you in a pizza restaurant?"
"It wasn't a pizza restaurant, it was a steak house"
Er, okay, that makes it alright then.
Gary29 said:
Ok ban him from all football stadiums for life, I agree.
But losing his job/career over a split second moronic gesture when he was most likely pissed up and caught up in the moment seems a bit harsh to me. That isn't in any way condoning his behaviour, he's old enough to know better.
On the flipside, I suppose that's what you have to expect in this social media age, where any high profile thing like this has your name and face plastered all over the place within a few minutes, not good publicity for Kier.
All the wkers throwing coins/bottles should also be hit with the same punishment imo.
All of those throwing coins will be banned for life and probably prosecuted too, so that’s the end of that argument. But losing his job/career over a split second moronic gesture when he was most likely pissed up and caught up in the moment seems a bit harsh to me. That isn't in any way condoning his behaviour, he's old enough to know better.
On the flipside, I suppose that's what you have to expect in this social media age, where any high profile thing like this has your name and face plastered all over the place within a few minutes, not good publicity for Kier.
All the w
kers throwing coins/bottles should also be hit with the same punishment imo.Hardly a defence “I was pissed, so let me off”. Can’t see that working as a defence for any other crime, so why this one?
Thankyou4calling said:
Yep will definitely be cancelling contracts with Keir because of this.
NOT!
It makes not a blind bit of difference. It’s virtue signalling. Oooooh look at us, aren’t we socially aware to suspend this nasty man.
Pathetic.
Doesn’t matter. His employment contract doesn’t say “if it results in us losing existing contracts”, it will state”bringing the company name into disrepute”NOT!
It makes not a blind bit of difference. It’s virtue signalling. Oooooh look at us, aren’t we socially aware to suspend this nasty man.
Pathetic.
Your comment is pathetic, tough guy trying to justify someone being racist as if it doesn’t matter. It does.
Digga said:
Keoparakolo said:
Digga said:
Keoparakolo said:
Digga said:
Very sound advice. Why does no one ever seem to do this?
For the same reason those being dismissed for poor attendance often start their appeal with the words “but I was really ill this time ..........” "Why were you in a pizza restaurant?"
"It wasn't a pizza restaurant, it was a steak house"
Er, okay, that makes it alright then.
Keoparakolo said:
Doesn’t matter. His employment contract doesn’t say “if it results in us losing existing contracts”, it will state”bringing the company name into disrepute”
Your comment is pathetic, tough guy trying to justify someone being racist as if it doesn’t matter. It does.
Where am I trying to justify someone being racist? As for the tough guy! Don’t be so judgemental pal. Your comment is pathetic, tough guy trying to justify someone being racist as if it doesn’t matter. It does.
Keoparakolo said:
Gary29 said:
Ok ban him from all football stadiums for life, I agree.
But losing his job/career over a split second moronic gesture when he was most likely pissed up and caught up in the moment seems a bit harsh to me. That isn't in any way condoning his behaviour, he's old enough to know better.
On the flipside, I suppose that's what you have to expect in this social media age, where any high profile thing like this has your name and face plastered all over the place within a few minutes, not good publicity for Kier.
All the wkers throwing coins/bottles should also be hit with the same punishment imo.
All of those throwing coins will be banned for life and probably prosecuted too, so that’s the end of that argument. But losing his job/career over a split second moronic gesture when he was most likely pissed up and caught up in the moment seems a bit harsh to me. That isn't in any way condoning his behaviour, he's old enough to know better.
On the flipside, I suppose that's what you have to expect in this social media age, where any high profile thing like this has your name and face plastered all over the place within a few minutes, not good publicity for Kier.
All the w
kers throwing coins/bottles should also be hit with the same punishment imo.Hardly a defence “I was pissed, so let me off”. Can’t see that working as a defence for any other crime, so why this one?
Thankyou4calling said:
Yep will definitely be cancelling contracts with Keir because of this.
NOT!
It makes not a blind bit of difference. It’s virtue signalling. Oooooh look at us, aren’t we socially aware to suspend this nasty man.
Pathetic.
Doesn’t matter. His employment contract doesn’t say “if it results in us losing existing contracts”, it will state”bringing the company name into disrepute”NOT!
It makes not a blind bit of difference. It’s virtue signalling. Oooooh look at us, aren’t we socially aware to suspend this nasty man.
Pathetic.
Your comment is pathetic, tough guy trying to justify someone being racist as if it doesn’t matter. It does.
I was questioning the involvement of his employer given that it wasn’t a corporate stand and he didn’t appear to be wearing work clothing.
The only people who are endangering his company are the online sleuthing press, banned on here for some reason, who have identified his employer.
Not comfortable with this.
Thankyou4calling said:
Where am I trying to justify someone being racist? As for the tough guy! Don’t be so judgemental pal.
In the post I quote below. It’s the most thinly veiled defence possible, without actually explicitly defending him. I’m not your pal either.
Thankyou4calling said:
Yep will definitely be cancelling contracts with Keir because of this.
NOT!
It makes not a blind bit of difference. It’s virtue signalling. Oooooh look at us, aren’t we socially aware to suspend this nasty man.
Pathetic.
NOT!
It makes not a blind bit of difference. It’s virtue signalling. Oooooh look at us, aren’t we socially aware to suspend this nasty man.
Pathetic.
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