New Zealand Volcano erupts with tourists inside the rim
Discussion
Zirconia said:
Lynchie999 said:
... Im surprised such an active crater is such a big tourist destination tbh ... maybe the tourism companies and tourists became a bit "numb" to the actual danger ... sad to those that have lost their lives...
I expect there are a few tours to volcanoes. Etna gets visitors, bloke below has been running them for years.http://www.volcanolive.com
poo at Paul's said:
normalbloke said:
The helicopter was already on the ground. It’s been blown off it’s small landing deck that you can see in the picture.The rotors were probably not turning when they were damaged.
Yes, I reckon you're right, just goes to show the forces involved, you'd think it would all shoot upwards, but there's clearly a s
t load of wind come down or even gone up that mountain. Horrific.
Presumably those very close would have suffered blast and burn injuries, those further away could have suffocated?
Grim indeed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow
red_slr said:
BBC reporting 23 people confirmed as rescued and alive and 5 are deceased, everyone else is unaccounted for - up to an additional 25 people.
No doubt search efforts will start in the morning which is about 4 hours time.
I think that depends if the authorities think the island is safe for rescue workers. If they are not seeing any sign of life from afar, they may not want to take the risk if there's still any activity.No doubt search efforts will start in the morning which is about 4 hours time.
Juanco20 said:
Is it really worth a few photos and being able to tell your mates down the pub that you've been on a volcano when you factor in the risk?
Never get why people bother with stuff like this
The consequences are severe, but the likelihood is very low. They have just been exceptionally unlucky. Never get why people bother with stuff like this
Juanco20 said:
Is it really worth a few photos and being able to tell your mates down the pub that you've been on a volcano when you factor in the risk?
Never get why people bother with stuff like this
Your lunch could have killed you. But the people who sold the food to you promised it was safe and you trusted them. You know they sold lots of food before and it's very very rare for someone to die from food.Never get why people bother with stuff like this
The same applies to all sorts of tourist activity. You're promised it's safe by someone you think you should trust, you know lots of people did it before you and didn't die. It's a "cool" experience to have.
Until the boat sinks, the volcano erupts, the jeep overturns, the plane crashes etc.
If I was on a cruise and someone said "do you want to go on the trip to the volcano" it's one of the highlights we do every trip, I'd say it's at least 50/50 I'd say yes.
Munter said:
Your lunch could have killed you. But the people who sold the food to you promised it was safe and you trusted them. You know they sold lots of food before and it's very very rare for someone to die from food.
The same applies to all sorts of tourist activity. You're promised it's safe by someone you think you should trust, you know lots of people did it before you and didn't die. It's a "cool" experience to have.
Until the boat sinks, the volcano erupts, the jeep overturns, the plane crashes etc.
If I was on a cruise and someone said "do you want to go on the trip to the volcano" it's one of the highlights we do every trip, I'd say it's at least 50/50 I'd say yes.
Depends on the volcano.The same applies to all sorts of tourist activity. You're promised it's safe by someone you think you should trust, you know lots of people did it before you and didn't die. It's a "cool" experience to have.
Until the boat sinks, the volcano erupts, the jeep overturns, the plane crashes etc.
If I was on a cruise and someone said "do you want to go on the trip to the volcano" it's one of the highlights we do every trip, I'd say it's at least 50/50 I'd say yes.
It all boils down to (pardon the pun) whether this volcano was anyway active or not, if plumes of smoke were seen frequently surely it's idiotic to run tourist trips. Hey I'm not a geologist or anything but common sense. Alas in this day of Instagram and 'likes' people are oblivious to any dangers or anything and are just refreshing that app they got opened up on their smartphones.
ericmcn said:
It all boils down to (pardon the pun) whether this volcano was anyway active or not, if plumes of smoke were seen frequently surely it's idiotic to run tourist trips. Hey I'm not a geologist or anything but common sense. Alas in this day of Instagram and 'likes' people are oblivious to any dangers or anything and are just refreshing that app they got opened up on their smartphones.
Are you suggesting people didn't go on trips like this before Instagram?I do not have Instagram, i would certainly like to visit a Volcano, just like i would like to visit N.Korea, Pripyat, Antartica, Costa Rica, the Gates of Hell, and a host of other places, not everyone wants to sit on a beach in Spain, there is a whole world out there to see an experience.
These poor people were just extremely unlucky, the island, according to Wiki, has been releasing Volcanic Gas almost continuously since discovery in 1760 odd, it has erupted multiple times (minor) over the past 50 years.
Ayahuasca said:
Be interesting to know how much the tourists were made aware of the risks. Apparently it is a very active volcano. Horrific.
Well, it’s NZ and unless things have changed since I was there a few years ago (off there again in a few weeks) then it’s very much at your own risk with limited duty of care for the organisers of ‘adventure’ pastimes. I’m not critical of that, in fact I like the idea of taking responsibility for oneself, but it seems to lead to quite risky ‘tourist’ offers all over, eg bungee jumps, white water stuff, paragliding, and of course volcano watching.
Munter said:
Your lunch could have killed you. But the people who sold the food to you promised it was safe and you trusted them. You know they sold lots of food before and it's very very rare for someone to die from food.
The same applies to all sorts of tourist activity. You're promised it's safe by someone you think you should trust, you know lots of people did it before you and didn't die. It's a "cool" experience to have.
Until the boat sinks, the volcano erupts, the jeep overturns, the plane crashes etc.
If I was on a cruise and someone said "do you want to go on the trip to the volcano" it's one of the highlights we do every trip, I'd say it's at least 50/50 I'd say yes.
I was asked if I wanted to go rock climbing. A group of four novices went. I was the only one not injured. However, we all thought it well worthwhile. We were told about the risks but none of us listened. It looked fun. It was fun. It was even fun helping a mate to the ambulance.The same applies to all sorts of tourist activity. You're promised it's safe by someone you think you should trust, you know lots of people did it before you and didn't die. It's a "cool" experience to have.
Until the boat sinks, the volcano erupts, the jeep overturns, the plane crashes etc.
If I was on a cruise and someone said "do you want to go on the trip to the volcano" it's one of the highlights we do every trip, I'd say it's at least 50/50 I'd say yes.
Of course you'd go on a trip to a volcano. I went to see Vesuvius. We were warned it could explode. We were warned it was only dormant. We were nearby - in Pompeii, so the risks were patently obvious - so of course we went.
It was boring. Had steam been coming out it would have been better. I should have had a second day in Pompeii. That was fascinating. A remarkable place, every bit as good as it looks on TV.
Back in 2009 we had a tour to Mt Kilauea in Hawaii.
Helicopter there, and landed on fresh (4 months old) lava.
Our pilot took us to a spot where we could see the lava flowing under our feet, and a lava cave..
Whilst standing on the side of this volcano there was an earthquake - the pilot ushered us off and back to the heli pretty damn quick!
Helicopter there, and landed on fresh (4 months old) lava.
Our pilot took us to a spot where we could see the lava flowing under our feet, and a lava cave..
Whilst standing on the side of this volcano there was an earthquake - the pilot ushered us off and back to the heli pretty damn quick!
REALIST123 said:
Well, it’s NZ and unless things have changed since I was there a few years ago (off there again in a few weeks) then it’s very much at your own risk with limited duty of care for the organisers of ‘adventure’ pastimes.
I’m not critical of that, in fact I like the idea of taking responsibility for oneself, but it seems to lead to quite risky ‘tourist’ offers all over, eg bungee jumps, white water stuff, paragliding, and of course volcano watching.
If you are going to the south island you will need to book a flight between Christchurch and duniden as both the east and west coast highways have been hit by massive storms in the last week making both impassable I’m not critical of that, in fact I like the idea of taking responsibility for oneself, but it seems to lead to quite risky ‘tourist’ offers all over, eg bungee jumps, white water stuff, paragliding, and of course volcano watching.
Lord.Vader said:
ericmcn said:
It all boils down to (pardon the pun) whether this volcano was anyway active or not, if plumes of smoke were seen frequently surely it's idiotic to run tourist trips. Hey I'm not a geologist or anything but common sense. Alas in this day of Instagram and 'likes' people are oblivious to any dangers or anything and are just refreshing that app they got opened up on their smartphones.
Are you suggesting people didn't go on trips like this before Instagram?I do not have Instagram, i would certainly like to visit a Volcano, just like i would like to visit N.Korea, Pripyat, Antartica, Costa Rica, the Gates of Hell, and a host of other places, not everyone wants to sit on a beach in Spain, there is a whole world out there to see an experience.
These poor people were just extremely unlucky, the island, according to Wiki, has been releasing Volcanic Gas almost continuously since discovery in 1760 odd, it has erupted multiple times (minor) over the past 50 years.
ts we encountered in California last year was disheartening! Living their life through 5 inch phone screens, not looking at the view, taking in the ambience, get a photo / selfie, do I look good, yes, right, off to the next contrived shoot....It's sadly very much a things, whether a factor here, who knows.
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