Another young driver crash,sad story, Hamble, Hampshire
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Sadly another young person has died on our roads (last Thursday, 5th December 2019).
She was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
She was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
M4cruiser said:
Sadly another young person has died on our roads (last Thursday, 5th December 2019).
She was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
Cars are safer than they have ever been, small cars now are likely safer than Mondeos of 10 years ago. But certainly a lot safer than small cars of 20 or 30 years ago. She was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
People have been getting killed in cars for years and years, young and old. There are 5 people a day who go out and about their daily business and don't come home . who knows the cause, but it is not easy to die in a modern car driving sensibly at sensible speeds for the conditions and without distractions. It can happened, catastrophic failure, but most likely some one was driving like a twonk and someone died. Like thousands before. Sad, but it happens.
The alternative is that you put them in big cars that kill other people. Youngsters tend to have poor judgement, and unfortunately allowing them to drive things that can go fast (even if underpowered) will result in accidents.
One of the first things I did for my son when he started “going out with mates” on his own was give him my Uber account. If he thinks there is anything remotely dodgy in respect of getting home, he has my full permission to get a cab, I don’t care about the cost. He’s smart enough to know that some of his mates drive like dicks, and he doesn’t get in the car with them.
One of the first things I did for my son when he started “going out with mates” on his own was give him my Uber account. If he thinks there is anything remotely dodgy in respect of getting home, he has my full permission to get a cab, I don’t care about the cost. He’s smart enough to know that some of his mates drive like dicks, and he doesn’t get in the car with them.
rxe said:
The alternative is that you put them in big cars that kill other people. Youngsters tend to have poor judgement, and unfortunately allowing them to drive things that can go fast (even if underpowered) will result in accidents.
One of the first things I did for my son when he started “going out with mates” on his own was give him my Uber account. If he thinks there is anything remotely dodgy in respect of getting home, he has my full permission to get a cab, I don’t care about the cost. He’s smart enough to know that some of his mates drive like dicks, and he doesn’t get in the car with them.
Very wise rxe, very wise. Our group of friends have children that are just learning and starting to drive. Said friends seem more worried about, say, drugs than they do about a car crash. The one in this thread is very local to me. So, so sad, such a waste of a life.One of the first things I did for my son when he started “going out with mates” on his own was give him my Uber account. If he thinks there is anything remotely dodgy in respect of getting home, he has my full permission to get a cab, I don’t care about the cost. He’s smart enough to know that some of his mates drive like dicks, and he doesn’t get in the car with them.
M4cruiser said:
Sadly another young person has died on our roads (last Thursday, 5th December 2019).
She was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
Insurance grouping is meaningless these days, it's all about statistics. If more young drivers own and crash small cars, then insurance premiums on those cars will go up. Best car for a young driver is something medium/big, with zero street cred amongst the youth.... This isn't even a secret, it's been like this for decades.She was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
My first car was a Austin Metro 998cc in 1998, cost was around £700 to insure. Same year a friend of mine got his first car, a Nissan Laurel 2.4 inline six, and insured it for under £500. Fews years before this another friend had a MK2 Fiesta XR2, this was over £1500 to insure.
Edited by lyonspride on Monday 9th December 18:17
M4cruiser said:
Sadly another young person has died on our roads (last Thursday, 5th December 2019).
She was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
Very sad. She was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
I counter your argument though. Inexperienced drivers in larger cars pose even more of a risk to others. The energy a 2ton car has compared to a 1ton car travelling at a given speed is going to be significantly more (squared?). So I'm not too upset that there isn't an abundance of 17 year olds in 7 series and Range Rovers.
Edited by ChocolateFrog on Monday 9th December 18:15
lyonspride said:
Insurance grouping is meaningless these days, it's all about statistics. If more young drivers own and crash small cars, then insurance premiums on those cars will go up. Best car for a young driver is something medium/big, with zero street cred amongst the youth.
Ive heard this a few times on here, but then ive also heard people say that they tried insuring a bigger car and it cost more than the usual corsas and fiestas?ChocolateFrog said:
Very sad.
I counter your argument though. Inexperienced drivers in larger cars pose even more of a risk to others. The energy a 2ton car has compared to a 1ton car travelling at a given speed is going to be significantly more (squared?). So I'm not too upset that there isn't an abundance of 17 year olds in 7 series and Range Rovers.
No it's doubledI counter your argument though. Inexperienced drivers in larger cars pose even more of a risk to others. The energy a 2ton car has compared to a 1ton car travelling at a given speed is going to be significantly more (squared?). So I'm not too upset that there isn't an abundance of 17 year olds in 7 series and Range Rovers.
Edited by ChocolateFrog on Monday 9th December 18:15
KE= 0.5*Mass*Velocity^2
DoubleD said:
lyonspride said:
Insurance grouping is meaningless these days, it's all about statistics. If more young drivers own and crash small cars, then insurance premiums on those cars will go up. Best car for a young driver is something medium/big, with zero street cred amongst the youth.
Ive heard this a few times on here, but then ive also heard people say that they tried insuring a bigger car and it cost more than the usual corsas and fiestas?M4cruiser said:
Sadly another young person has died on our roads (last Thursday, 5th December 2019).
She was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
Having been through trying to insure a teenager on a car recently, have to say I agree, the insurance industry is pricing teenagers into the sShe was 18 years old, and a passenger in a Toyota Aygo. The article doesn't say (yet) the age of the driver and other passengers, but local knowledge is saying they were all young people in the car.
Again I'm wondering the sense in our insurance rules which effectively put young and inexperienced people in small cars with no crumple zones. The Aygo maybe ok for a small car (3 to 4 stars) but these 4 people would surely have been safer in a Mondeo-sized car? There has to be a case for a low bhp larger car, for new drivers.
Some may have a view also on having 4 people in an Aygo at 9pm at night. This may resurrect the "curfew" style arrangements.
I know several young drivers round here who like the Group 1 insurance, and the low tax (CO2) and good fuel economy, but safety seems to come last in the list.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50...
Our thoughts are with her friends and family. A difficult time for them.
tbox scale of the market. A mini one cost me £1750 to insure my daughter on. Whilst something like an aygo would have been £800.
So we’re not talking about a Range Rover with a big engine, just a mini with a 1.4 diesel.
Very sad.
My son went to see the Chelsea-Everton game on Saturday and got a lift back to London with a friend in some sort of small VW. The boy in question has only had his licence for a year or so. I had offered to pony up for my son's fare instead but I can see that he wanted to catch up with said friend etc. I must confess that I have not had an equally stressful few hours waiting to see him back safely for a long time.
My son went to see the Chelsea-Everton game on Saturday and got a lift back to London with a friend in some sort of small VW. The boy in question has only had his licence for a year or so. I had offered to pony up for my son's fare instead but I can see that he wanted to catch up with said friend etc. I must confess that I have not had an equally stressful few hours waiting to see him back safely for a long time.
Young, old, or in between. I used to drive a car the height lower than a bus tyre. I did 100,000 miles in it. I can't recall feeling worried about being behind the wheel in it. Ever. And in all weather. Heavy rain. Snow. High winds, you name it.
Today? fk me, I wouldn't even entertain the thought of doing so regularly, if at all!
The roads today may be said to be safer (how the fk can a road be safe or dangerous?) but the driving standards have fallen to below appalling. I see more chances taken today than ever before. The numbers who don't seem to know even simple stuff like right of way on a roundabout seems to be growing daily. I was overtaken while doing 33 mph in a 30 by someone yesterday, must have been doing 60. Why do they take chances like this?
Are they all on something?
Look at driver's faces next time you're out and about on the roads.
Or is the answer as simple as this?
NO fkING TRAFFIC POLICE TO BE SEEN!
And...
they know it, that's why they 'chance it'.
Today? f
k me, I wouldn't even entertain the thought of doing so regularly, if at all!The roads today may be said to be safer (how the f
k can a road be safe or dangerous?) but the driving standards have fallen to below appalling. I see more chances taken today than ever before. The numbers who don't seem to know even simple stuff like right of way on a roundabout seems to be growing daily. I was overtaken while doing 33 mph in a 30 by someone yesterday, must have been doing 60. Why do they take chances like this? Are they all on something?
Look at driver's faces next time you're out and about on the roads.
Or is the answer as simple as this?
NO f
kING TRAFFIC POLICE TO BE SEEN! And...
they know it, that's why they 'chance it'.
There is some sense in restricting newer/younger drivers to one passenger only. Sure, a 17/18 year old guy will still try and drive like a tt to impress a girl, but it's likely to be worse with a car full of passengers - more distractions, and more weight to upset the handling/braking too. It'll still be a minority of accidents at that age overall, but I'm sure it's disproportionate in terms of injury/death.
t to impress a girl, but it's likely to be worse with a car full of passengers - more distractions, and more weight to upset the handling/braking too. It'll still be a minority of accidents at that age overall, but I'm sure it's disproportionate in terms of injury/death.rxe said:
The alternative is that you put them in big cars that kill other people. Youngsters tend to have poor judgement, and unfortunately allowing them to drive things that can go fast (even if underpowered) will result in accidents.
One of the first things I did for my son when he started “going out with mates” on his own was give him my Uber account. If he thinks there is anything remotely dodgy in respect of getting home, he has my full permission to get a cab, I don’t care about the cost. He’s smart enough to know that some of his mates drive like dicks, and he doesn’t get in the car with them.
Sensible dad with right priorities! One of the first things I did for my son when he started “going out with mates” on his own was give him my Uber account. If he thinks there is anything remotely dodgy in respect of getting home, he has my full permission to get a cab, I don’t care about the cost. He’s smart enough to know that some of his mates drive like dicks, and he doesn’t get in the car with them.
DoubleD said:
And yet we all drove far more dangerous cars when we were young.
Agreed, and some of us learnt the hard way but still came back for more. Cheap cars and rebuilds were the go to in my era as were rebuilt bicycles when we were nippers, then motor bikes in teenage years, and eventually any car that you could afford. No safety systems (even seat belts weren't standard kit) but most of us survived and the insurance could be 3rd party only unless you upgraded to TPF&T. Nobody I knew had 'comprehensive' insurance as you repaired stuff back then or if too mangled, off to the scrapper and save up for another one.I do wonder who will drive all our Vet, vintage, and classics in the future?
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