So what now for the Labour party?
Discussion
As per title, what will happen to the Labour Party following yesterday's defeat?
Will they split with Momentum & the left wingers going one way and the moderates another?
Will the moderates take back control?
Or will the party implode and cease to be a major force in UK politics?
The next few months are likely to be interesting/entertaining/depressing (depending on your point of view) for the Labour Party.
From a wider perspective, I believe we need an effective opposition, regardless of which party is in power, to question and offer alternatives to whatever the government of the day is doing.
Will they split with Momentum & the left wingers going one way and the moderates another?
Will the moderates take back control?
Or will the party implode and cease to be a major force in UK politics?
The next few months are likely to be interesting/entertaining/depressing (depending on your point of view) for the Labour Party.
From a wider perspective, I believe we need an effective opposition, regardless of which party is in power, to question and offer alternatives to whatever the government of the day is doing.
Tyndall said:
Worryingly for the country (as you say a strong opposition is needed), the membership now is very much hard left/momentum/Corbynista type so they could easily go further that way.
Indeed, the UK needs an effective opposition particularly when Boris seems to hide from any difficult questions from the media and has a propensity to lie a lot of the time.The Tories had a very clear message, as did the SNP. And while the problems that we face as a nation are extremely complex, people want simple answers.
Get Brexit done was a great strategy, and they were the only viable option for the 52% who voted to leave.
It’ll be interesting to see what Brexit under the Tories actually means for those communities who turned from Red to Blue. Because a low taxation, low regulation economy probably won’t bring the prosperity to these areas that they are hoping for.
Labour have to ditch Corbyn. He’s weak, and the message was confused. Especially their stance on Brexit. But the party might be forever changed and that’s a problem for British politics.
Get Brexit done was a great strategy, and they were the only viable option for the 52% who voted to leave.
It’ll be interesting to see what Brexit under the Tories actually means for those communities who turned from Red to Blue. Because a low taxation, low regulation economy probably won’t bring the prosperity to these areas that they are hoping for.
Labour have to ditch Corbyn. He’s weak, and the message was confused. Especially their stance on Brexit. But the party might be forever changed and that’s a problem for British politics.
PMacanGTS said:
The Tories had a very clear message, as did the SNP. And while the problems that we face as a nation are extremely complex, people want simple answers.
Get Brexit done was a great strategy, and they were the only viable option for the 52% who voted to leave.
It’ll be interesting to see what Brexit under the Tories actually means for those communities who turned from Red to Blue. Because a low taxation, low regulation economy probably won’t bring the prosperity to these areas that they are hoping for.
Labour have to ditch Corbyn. He’s weak, and the message was confused. Especially their stance on Brexit. But the party might be forever changed and that’s a problem for British politics.
McDonnell needs to go too. Who the hell would vote for a party with a Chancellor who worships Mao (carries his red book) and has stated he wants to destroy capitalism - the very fabric of our society?Get Brexit done was a great strategy, and they were the only viable option for the 52% who voted to leave.
It’ll be interesting to see what Brexit under the Tories actually means for those communities who turned from Red to Blue. Because a low taxation, low regulation economy probably won’t bring the prosperity to these areas that they are hoping for.
Labour have to ditch Corbyn. He’s weak, and the message was confused. Especially their stance on Brexit. But the party might be forever changed and that’s a problem for British politics.
PMacanGTS said:
The Tories had a very clear message, as did the SNP. And while the problems that we face as a nation are extremely complex, people want simple answers.
Get Brexit done was a great strategy, and they were the only viable option for the 52% who voted to leave.
It’ll be interesting to see what Brexit under the Tories actually means for those communities who turned from Red to Blue. Because a low taxation, low regulation economy probably won’t bring the prosperity to these areas that they are hoping for.
Labour have to ditch Corbyn. He’s weak, and the message was confused. Especially their stance on Brexit. But the party might be forever changed and that’s a problem for British politics.
You’re on the money here. I am desperately clinging to the hope that post-brexit we see a swing back towards socialist values. I really believe we are neglecting the most vulnerable in society and have a feeling that’s because of a sense that immigrants are mopping up benefits. If that fear can be addressed then maybe we can turn on the taps again.Get Brexit done was a great strategy, and they were the only viable option for the 52% who voted to leave.
It’ll be interesting to see what Brexit under the Tories actually means for those communities who turned from Red to Blue. Because a low taxation, low regulation economy probably won’t bring the prosperity to these areas that they are hoping for.
Labour have to ditch Corbyn. He’s weak, and the message was confused. Especially their stance on Brexit. But the party might be forever changed and that’s a problem for British politics.
[quote=bobbo89This'll allow Labour to re-build themselves into a credible party again with no baggage of the Marxist, communist s
t show that's dragged them down over the past 4 years.
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4 years...!?
Blair and at least half of his cabinet are self confessed Marxists.
So that's 20+ minimum, never mind 4. And that's just when they got into power.
t show that's dragged them down over the past 4 years. [/quote]
4 years...!?
Blair and at least half of his cabinet are self confessed Marxists.
So that's 20+ minimum, never mind 4. And that's just when they got into power.
Edited by LetsTryAgain on Friday 13th December 07:05
Hilariously I think they’ll swing even further left and away from electability. The PLP don’t decide on the leader and those in control are already defending the policies and blaming everything on brexit. I’m foreseeing a scenario in 6 months where Corbs is still leader after unanimous support from momentum ‘forces’ him to reconsider his resignation
It's a bit of a re-run from 25 years ago. Kinnock was unelectable, John Smith came in (for a short time before passing away) paving the way for Blair, the repeal of Clause 4 and other moves to distance themselves from the hard left, resulting a few years later in a very attractive alternative to the stale, divided and scandal-ridden Tories.
Maybe this is Labour's opportunity to muddy the clear blue waters between the parties again and create a viable alternative to the Conservatives in 2024.
Maybe this is Labour's opportunity to muddy the clear blue waters between the parties again and create a viable alternative to the Conservatives in 2024.
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