So what now for the Labour party?
Discussion
bobbo89 said:
Corbyn, McDonnell and Momentum need to very publicly f
k off and maybe form their own party. This'll allow Labour to re-build themselves into a credible party again with no baggage of the Marxist, communist st show that's dragged them down over the past 4 years.
I hope this happens. We do need a decent opposition.k off and maybe form their own party. This'll allow Labour to re-build themselves into a credible party again with no baggage of the Marxist, communist st show that's dragged them down over the past 4 years. crofty1984 said:
bobbo89 said:
Corbyn, McDonnell and Momentum need to very publicly fk off and maybe form their own party. This'll allow Labour to re-build themselves into a credible party again with no baggage of the Marxist, communist st show that's dragged them down over the past 4 years.
I hope this happens. We do need a decent opposition.k off and maybe form their own party. This'll allow Labour to re-build themselves into a credible party again with no baggage of the Marxist, communist st show that's dragged them down over the past 4 years. jonby said:
Agree there's a real chance of a breakaway party but given momentum controls labour, it will be the moderates who break away to form new labour, leaving momentum to well and truly destroy what's left of labour
This is the only real hope for traditional socialists. Otherwise, the Conservatives will be laughing for 10-20 years.jonby said:
Agree there's a real chance of a breakaway party but given momentum controls labour, it will be the moderates who break away to form new labour, leaving momentum to well and truly destroy what's left of labour
Don't forget the unions , will they stick with momentum's labour vision ?egor110 said:
jonby said:
Agree there's a real chance of a breakaway party but given momentum controls labour, it will be the moderates who break away to form new labour, leaving momentum to well and truly destroy what's left of labour
Don't forget the unions , will they stick with momentum's labour vision ?jonby said:
egor110 said:
jonby said:
Agree there's a real chance of a breakaway party but given momentum controls labour, it will be the moderates who break away to form new labour, leaving momentum to well and truly destroy what's left of labour
Don't forget the unions , will they stick with momentum's labour vision ?Brexit vote the young didn't vote then momentum formed and they had a angry banner to fall behind and take it to us 'oldies'
Last nights vote and what's happened is they've f
ked the labour party up so badly that even mining towns have turned there back on them !Other than the small momentum hard core , the majority want a more centralist labour , only when/if they make that change will the majority vote for them.
kev1974 said:
Well given the number of whinging crying marxists on twitter bitterly insisting this morning that they want to migrate elsewhere, I can only see labour support going down from this point ...
And why don't they go ?Because anywhere that supports their views is a s
tholeThere must be a lesson somewhere
kev1974 said:
Well given the number of whinging crying marxists on twitter bitterly insisting this morning that they want to migrate elsewhere, I can only see labour support going down from this point ...
Perhaps Boris could reinstate those £10 Assisted Passage arrangements so that we can ensure they are shipped off to distant lands.Traditional aspirational blue collar Labour voters didn't like being taken for granted, felt their 'respect the referendum' Labour Party of 2017 had deserted them. Corbyn sitting on the fence, and Boris shouting from the roof that he will 'Get Brexit Done' have had a lot of northern Labour voters either holding their nose and voting blue, or voting Brexit Party and destroying the core support for Labour.
I find it amazing that a) JC didn't graciously acknowledge defeat and congratulate Boris in his speach to his supporters as is traditional. b) Has only said he won't lead Labour into another GE - which is five years away. He should step down immediately if he had any backbone and put party before ego. I suspect though, that he will try to ride it out saying the CLP love him.
If the Labour Party want to rebuild from this, then they need to ditch Corbynomics and return to moderate Social Democratic Labour policies rather than hard left borderline Communism. You can offer everyone everything free and tell them a few rich people are going to pay, but their core support aren't stupid. They need someone like Jess whatshername or Rebecca Double Barrelled to take over a much more moderate party. Especially since the centre ground has disappeared under Swanson Swinson's bus.
I find it amazing that a) JC didn't graciously acknowledge defeat and congratulate Boris in his speach to his supporters as is traditional. b) Has only said he won't lead Labour into another GE - which is five years away. He should step down immediately if he had any backbone and put party before ego. I suspect though, that he will try to ride it out saying the CLP love him.
If the Labour Party want to rebuild from this, then they need to ditch Corbynomics and return to moderate Social Democratic Labour policies rather than hard left borderline Communism. You can offer everyone everything free and tell them a few rich people are going to pay, but their core support aren't stupid. They need someone like Jess whatshername or Rebecca Double Barrelled to take over a much more moderate party. Especially since the centre ground has disappeared under Swanson Swinson's bus.
Labour really sh*t the bed in 2010 when they chose the wrong Milliband to lead them, it's all been downhill since then. Corbyn's complete inability to admit when he's wrong is ridiculous, this is Labour's worst defeat since 1935, he should be holding his hands up and bowing out gracefully, but he's just desperate to cling to any kind of power. His ego is astounding.
JackThrust said:
Labour really sh*t the bed in 2010 when they chose the wrong Milliband to lead them, it's all been downhill since then. Corbyn's complete inability to admit when he's wrong is ridiculous, this is Labour's worst defeat since 1935, he should be holding his hands up and bowing out gracefully, but he's just desperate to cling to any kind of power. His ego is astounding.
That ego comes from being surrounded by momentum and adoring students.I can see labour (momentum) blaming brexit and electing another (slightly less) far left leader.
Looks like Boris will dominate the middle ground now like Blair Cameron and May all did before him. Especially if he ends austerity and spends all that money on infrastructure and public services and gets brexit out of the way and has a clear majority to get stuff sorted.
Puddenchucker said:
As per title, what will happen to the Labour Party following yesterday's defeat?
Will they split with Momentum & the left wingers going one way and the moderates another?
Will the moderates take back control?
Or will the party implode and cease to be a major force in UK politics?
The next few months are likely to be interesting/entertaining/depressing (depending on your point of view) for the Labour Party.
From a wider perspective, I believe we need an effective opposition, regardless of which party is in power, to question and offer alternatives to whatever the government of the day is doing.
Will they split with Momentum & the left wingers going one way and the moderates another?
Will the moderates take back control?
Or will the party implode and cease to be a major force in UK politics?
The next few months are likely to be interesting/entertaining/depressing (depending on your point of view) for the Labour Party.
From a wider perspective, I believe we need an effective opposition, regardless of which party is in power, to question and offer alternatives to whatever the government of the day is doing.
It's catchy but,...
Tyre Smoke said:
Traditional aspirational blue collar Labour voters didn't like being taken for granted, felt their 'respect the referendum' Labour Party of 2017 had deserted them. Corbyn sitting on the fence, and Boris shouting from the roof that he will 'Get Brexit Done' have had a lot of northern Labour voters either holding their nose and voting blue, or voting Brexit Party and destroying the core support for Labour.
I find it amazing that a) JC didn't graciously acknowledge defeat and congratulate Boris in his speach to his supporters as is traditional. b) Has only said he won't lead Labour into another GE - which is five years away. He should step down immediately if he had any backbone and put party before ego. I suspect though, that he will try to ride it out saying the CLP love him.
If the Labour Party want to rebuild from this, then they need to ditch Corbynomics and return to moderate Social Democratic Labour policies rather than hard left borderline Communism. You can offer everyone everything free and tell them a few rich people are going to pay, but their core support aren't stupid. They need someone like Jess whatshername or Rebecca Double Barrelled to take over a much more moderate party. Especially since the centre ground has disappeared under Swanson Swinson's bus.
Watching bbc news all morning and they seem to still think it's nothing to do with there left wing stance and all to do with brexit !I find it amazing that a) JC didn't graciously acknowledge defeat and congratulate Boris in his speach to his supporters as is traditional. b) Has only said he won't lead Labour into another GE - which is five years away. He should step down immediately if he had any backbone and put party before ego. I suspect though, that he will try to ride it out saying the CLP love him.
If the Labour Party want to rebuild from this, then they need to ditch Corbynomics and return to moderate Social Democratic Labour policies rather than hard left borderline Communism. You can offer everyone everything free and tell them a few rich people are going to pay, but their core support aren't stupid. They need someone like Jess whatshername or Rebecca Double Barrelled to take over a much more moderate party. Especially since the centre ground has disappeared under Swanson Swinson's bus.
If the party won't change then hopefully the more centralist mp's will go lib dem in 5 years time .
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