Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader
Discussion
crankedup said:
At the risk of boring posters, if not already, I honestly see the Labour Party splitting resulting in moderate and hard left offerings. I cannot see how the Labour Party can continue in its singular present guise.
Problem is only one can have the Labour brand name how would that work? Real Labour? New Labour? People's Front of Labour?Whoever keeps the brand will get the votes after all 10 million blythering idiots voted for the racist fools last December
An in-law of mine is one of those well to do socialists in the North, lifelong Labour voter that's it. Her son who is a bright bloke drew her attention to Labour's appalling record on antisemitism (her daughter in law is Jewish so all the granchildren are too), she agreed with him and said she wouldn't vote Labour this time. Later that day she got in her car, went to the polling station, to vote Labour, and took 2 elderly neighbours with too to vote Labour too. That's the mentality of their supporters IMO.
techiedave said:
For Labour to win they need to be united
They are currently united, They are united in their hatred of each other
Its an old line courtesy of Norman Tebbit but still valid
Well done Dave.They are currently united, They are united in their hatred of each other
Its an old line courtesy of Norman Tebbit but still valid
Managed to get an obscure quote in from the doyen of right wing nutters, bringing balance to the topic.
Gargamel said:
Labour have lost the last four General Elections.
They are facing political oblivion and I actually think the brand is so tarnished, they may as well give up. If Long Bailey wins, I think it will only serve to highlight the decline.
The Left spend far too much time negotiating with themselves instead of communicating policy. British people don’t like ideologues, practical and pragmatic, lets do things that work, not argue about labels.
I agree. This could be the end for them. Their constituency nowadays is not the one that they were set up for, they seem to have hitched their wagon to the LGBTQ+ community, the muslim community, the woke and the professionally outraged. There aren’t enough of them to win an election, and this last one has shown that their traditional base can no longer be taken for granted.They are facing political oblivion and I actually think the brand is so tarnished, they may as well give up. If Long Bailey wins, I think it will only serve to highlight the decline.
The Left spend far too much time negotiating with themselves instead of communicating policy. British people don’t like ideologues, practical and pragmatic, lets do things that work, not argue about labels.
Kent Border Kenny said:
Gargamel said:
Labour have lost the last four General Elections.
They are facing political oblivion and I actually think the brand is so tarnished, they may as well give up. If Long Bailey wins, I think it will only serve to highlight the decline.
The Left spend far too much time negotiating with themselves instead of communicating policy. British people don’t like ideologues, practical and pragmatic, lets do things that work, not argue about labels.
I agree. This could be the end for them. Their constituency nowadays is not the one that they were set up for, they seem to have hitched their wagon to the LGBTQ+ community, the muslim community, the woke and the professionally outraged. There aren’t enough of them to win an election, and this last one has shown that their traditional base can no longer be taken for granted.They are facing political oblivion and I actually think the brand is so tarnished, they may as well give up. If Long Bailey wins, I think it will only serve to highlight the decline.
The Left spend far too much time negotiating with themselves instead of communicating policy. British people don’t like ideologues, practical and pragmatic, lets do things that work, not argue about labels.
Wombat3 said:
The wheels now appear to be in motion for a Momentum / Wrong-Daily & Crayons stitch up.
If that happens can any self respecting moderate Labour MP seriously get behind that ticket or will they break away?
If only 100 of them left to form a new party Labour would no longer be the official opposition.
The problem with that is that all the woke tossers I know on social media will crow about there being two women in charge of the party, overlook/ignore all their loopy policies, and identity & gender politics will win the day in their goldfish bowl yet again.If that happens can any self respecting moderate Labour MP seriously get behind that ticket or will they break away?
If only 100 of them left to form a new party Labour would no longer be the official opposition.
Labour are going to have a major schism at some point.
MiniMan64 said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
Gargamel said:
Labour have lost the last four General Elections.
They are facing political oblivion and I actually think the brand is so tarnished, they may as well give up. If Long Bailey wins, I think it will only serve to highlight the decline.
The Left spend far too much time negotiating with themselves instead of communicating policy. British people don’t like ideologues, practical and pragmatic, lets do things that work, not argue about labels.
I agree. This could be the end for them. Their constituency nowadays is not the one that they were set up for, they seem to have hitched their wagon to the LGBTQ+ community, the muslim community, the woke and the professionally outraged. There aren’t enough of them to win an election, and this last one has shown that their traditional base can no longer be taken for granted.They are facing political oblivion and I actually think the brand is so tarnished, they may as well give up. If Long Bailey wins, I think it will only serve to highlight the decline.
The Left spend far too much time negotiating with themselves instead of communicating policy. British people don’t like ideologues, practical and pragmatic, lets do things that work, not argue about labels.
-81% like Johnson. Only 5% like Corbyn
-74% say "Labour used to represent ppl like me but no longer does"
-Just 12% say Labour is "close to people like me"
-Brexit, not leadership, big reason for switch
YouGov
Tankrizzo said:
Wombat3 said:
The wheels now appear to be in motion for a Momentum / Wrong-Daily & Crayons stitch up.
If that happens can any self respecting moderate Labour MP seriously get behind that ticket or will they break away?
If only 100 of them left to form a new party Labour would no longer be the official opposition.
The problem with that is that all the woke tossers I know on social media will crow about there being two women in charge of the party, overlook/ignore all their loopy policies, and identity & gender politics will win the day in their goldfish bowl yet again.If that happens can any self respecting moderate Labour MP seriously get behind that ticket or will they break away?
If only 100 of them left to form a new party Labour would no longer be the official opposition.
Labour are going to have a major schism at some point.
Solocle said:
Tankrizzo said:
Wombat3 said:
The wheels now appear to be in motion for a Momentum / Wrong-Daily & Crayons stitch up.
If that happens can any self respecting moderate Labour MP seriously get behind that ticket or will they break away?
If only 100 of them left to form a new party Labour would no longer be the official opposition.
The problem with that is that all the woke tossers I know on social media will crow about there being two women in charge of the party, overlook/ignore all their loopy policies, and identity & gender politics will win the day in their goldfish bowl yet again.If that happens can any self respecting moderate Labour MP seriously get behind that ticket or will they break away?
If only 100 of them left to form a new party Labour would no longer be the official opposition.
Labour are going to have a major schism at some point.
Edited by techguyone on Saturday 18th January 17:17
vaud said:
Under New Labour, I wonder how many conservative (small C) "lent" their vote to Labour seeing them as the least worst option.
I voted Labour until 2017, when they changed from New Labour and became Loony Left Labour. Meanwhile, what has happened is that the Tories have moved more to the centre. Just look at Tory policies now - minimum wage rises, NI cuts for low incomes, big spending increases on public services, addressing regional inequality by investing in the North.............You know, I doubt that Boris has much political sincerity about him. But he does know how to get votes. How different is today's Tory party from Tony Blair's Labour? Not very, I'd suggest. And that means voters like me will continue to vote Tory.
Meanwhile, Boris & Co. have left Labour with nowhere to go, except to the far Left. Which is where they will stay. And it's why Labour will be unelectable for the foreseeable future.
Brave Fart said:
I voted Labour until 2017, when they changed from New Labour and became Loony Left Labour. Meanwhile, what has happened is that the Tories have moved more to the centre. Just look at Tory policies now - minimum wage rises, NI cuts for low incomes, big spending increases on public services, addressing regional inequality by investing in the North.............
You know, I doubt that Boris has much political sincerity about him. But he does know how to get votes. How different is today's Tory party from Tony Blair's Labour? Not very, I'd suggest. And that means voters like me will continue to vote Tory.
Meanwhile, Boris & Co. have left Labour with nowhere to go, except to the far Left. Which is where they will stay. And it's why Labour will be unelectable for the foreseeable future.
Agree completely...You know, I doubt that Boris has much political sincerity about him. But he does know how to get votes. How different is today's Tory party from Tony Blair's Labour? Not very, I'd suggest. And that means voters like me will continue to vote Tory.
Meanwhile, Boris & Co. have left Labour with nowhere to go, except to the far Left. Which is where they will stay. And it's why Labour will be unelectable for the foreseeable future.
vaud said:
Brave Fart said:
I voted Labour until 2017, when they changed from New Labour and became Loony Left Labour. Meanwhile, what has happened is that the Tories have moved more to the centre. Just look at Tory policies now - minimum wage rises, NI cuts for low incomes, big spending increases on public services, addressing regional inequality by investing in the North.............
You know, I doubt that Boris has much political sincerity about him. But he does know how to get votes. How different is today's Tory party from Tony Blair's Labour? Not very, I'd suggest. And that means voters like me will continue to vote Tory.
Meanwhile, Boris & Co. have left Labour with nowhere to go, except to the far Left. Which is where they will stay. And it's why Labour will be unelectable for the foreseeable future.
Agree completely...You know, I doubt that Boris has much political sincerity about him. But he does know how to get votes. How different is today's Tory party from Tony Blair's Labour? Not very, I'd suggest. And that means voters like me will continue to vote Tory.
Meanwhile, Boris & Co. have left Labour with nowhere to go, except to the far Left. Which is where they will stay. And it's why Labour will be unelectable for the foreseeable future.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Indeed if Rebecca Wrong Daily (because she is wrong Daily) gets the top spot, labour will be all but unelectable for many years to come. I hope she gets top spot!
I kind of do and kind of don't. Good govt needs strong opposition, it stops them getting carried away and keeps them focused. Opposition should look like a govt in waiting. I don't think she will.The UK is fundamentally (since at least '92) been fundamentally centrist.
techiedave said:
Pure racism
Where is the BLACK candidate ?
they have male female and what looks to be a transgender person but no black person
outrageous
Tankrizzo said:
The problem with that is that all the woke tossers I know on social media will crow about there being two women in charge of the party, overlook/ignore all their loopy policies, and identity & gender politics will win the day in their goldfish bowl yet again.
Labour are going to have a major schism at some point.
That's easy to smack down, just say "what took you so long".Labour are going to have a major schism at some point.
Labour are the last of the parties to have a female leader, all the others be it flop dems, greens, plaid, even brexit party all had one years ago. Conservatives have even had two female PMs not just leaders. So absolutely nothing for Labour to be proud about taking until 2020 to finally get around to it.
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