Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader
Discussion
Piginapoke said:
The big problem (thanks to Ed Milliband) is that the wider £3 members get to vote, which basically nails on another hard left Momentum candidate, eg Raynor. In my view, the only capable, centre left candidate is Kier Starmer, but he’s got no chance unless the system changes.
Realistically they need Keir Starmer. He's intelligent and is one of the very few possibles who who command any measure of respect from other world leaders and diplomats. The thing is that he won't appeal to may people outside the South East as he's very Remain. Then again that may not make much difference once we've left as we won't be rejoining so he can bleat about it all he likes without being able to act on it.
To be honest it's difficult to see where the Labour Party goes now. They can't keep up this delusion of being for the "working classes" because the reality is that far fewer people see themselves as such today. On the Corbyn thread I mentioned that drivers on the Tyne & Wear Metro (one of the key Labour supporting areas) are on £46K a year, another poster said that while working off-shore in the 80's and on £50K some union types were trying to say they were being "exploited". Utter rubbish. My mates who are self employed who are builders, sparkies, plasterers and suchlike and who are absolutely coining it in don't see themselves in the traditional working class stereotype box. They all have new cars, newly refurbished houses in some cases foreign property and in one case just bought a massive bar/nightclub/restaurant abroad paid for by his work here. These people don't vote Labour - why would they vote to be financially raped by a bunch of deluded neo-communists who are more interested in bringing about "equality" by dragging the hard workers down rather than uplifting the rest?
Of the people I know who are still very staunch Labour, especially Corbyn Labour, all are either public employees (teachers, sorting office workers, local government) or creative types who design stuff on computers in semi-public jobs such as Uni's. Coincidentally the types of jobs which give you plenty of time to sit around and bump gums at your employers expense and are essentially jobs for life. I can't think of any who are the ones who are up at 7am digging the foundations for a new house extension or working till 10am fitting someones new bathroom. Espousing crazy communist theory is much easier when your own position is secure.
I can see Labour being reduced to being a lunatic fringe party with zero influence outside of London and a few other urban centres populated by trendy types unless very big changes happen very soon. Unless they elect someone like Starmer as their leader they are f
ked, quite honestly. They are not just out of touch with normal working people, they are utterly out of touch with reality. The problem will be exacerbated by them becoming even more unpleasant towards Jews and other minorities as they need someone to blame for their own lunacy and failure. Having watched Burgon this morning completely fail to grasp as to why they’ve just had their biggest defeat since the 30s, his total adherence to we’re right and we won the arguments party mantra and his lack of ability to accept they need to change I have to say he gets my bet for next messiah status. The fact that he looks like something that lurks in dark holes and smells of compost can only add to his credibility for leadership.
Piginapoke said:
The big problem (thanks to Ed Milliband) is that the wider £3 members get to vote, which basically nails on another hard left Momentum candidate, eg Raynor. In my view, the only capable, centre left candidate is Kier Starmer, but he’s got no chance unless the system changes.
They do and I am sure they will vote for the most left wing candidate on the list. Howerer, to get on the list you need the backing of 30 MPs. Remember JC only got his chance because a number of MP's on the center wanted to give the members a choice. A decision I am sure they now regret. FN2TypeR said:
I think they they'll elect a momentum backed no mark and put up with them until around eighteen months before the next election and then get someone who would be more palatable to the wider electorate in, Starmer for example
If he's still on-side by then. More likely that he'll have fked off and formed a new party. People with intelligence, charisma and sanity rarely hang around delusional lunatics for too long.Deerfoot said:
abzmike said:
The next Labour leader will be female, that’s all we can be sure of.
Kinnock said as much on QT the other day. Thought it was a strange thing to say, shouldn't they want the best candidate, regardless of gender?Forcing outcomes by having single gender only candidates is the total opposite of equality or fairness. Just pick the best candidate regardless of gender.
Jess Phillips would be a decent candidate that has a foot in both the moderate and further left camps without being a Momentum loon so would appeal to a larger portion of the membership. Very vocal on social media and is not afraid of expressing an opinion even if it means going against the party line.
If the likes of Long-Bailey, Raynor or Nandy are elected then Labour have already lost the next GE. Just more Corbyn clones with the same policies that lost them the GE and moderate and Labour-lite voters will go elsewhere. You never win an election just appealing to your core supporters.
Starmer would also be decent and is head and shoulders above Boris but in my opinion doesn’t reach out to Labour heartlands and seen as too London centric and is also an ardent remainer which again goes against what the Labour heartlands away from London voted for and could be a hard sell plus I reckon the party will want a woman to lead this time round.
If the likes of Long-Bailey, Raynor or Nandy are elected then Labour have already lost the next GE. Just more Corbyn clones with the same policies that lost them the GE and moderate and Labour-lite voters will go elsewhere. You never win an election just appealing to your core supporters.
Starmer would also be decent and is head and shoulders above Boris but in my opinion doesn’t reach out to Labour heartlands and seen as too London centric and is also an ardent remainer which again goes against what the Labour heartlands away from London voted for and could be a hard sell plus I reckon the party will want a woman to lead this time round.
from me.Depends on what the Labour Party wants to be.
If it is serious about trying to win, it will go for Starmer or Cooper. I voted for Yvette in the 2015 leadership election, because I thought she was a bright, competent, realistic and credible political grown-up. She also comes across as a relatively normal working mum, which I have always argued would be a very appealing ‘look’ for the Labour party leader, particularly in comparison with deadbeat dad Johnson.
If they want to stay a London-centric hard-left fringe organisation, it will go for whoever emerges as crap Jesus’ anointed successor. The fundamental problem with the hard left is that they care more about ideology, identity and Palestine than they do about winning. Wining requires compromises and entails pragmatism, which the hard left regards as betrayal.
If it is serious about trying to win, it will go for Starmer or Cooper. I voted for Yvette in the 2015 leadership election, because I thought she was a bright, competent, realistic and credible political grown-up. She also comes across as a relatively normal working mum, which I have always argued would be a very appealing ‘look’ for the Labour party leader, particularly in comparison with deadbeat dad Johnson.
If they want to stay a London-centric hard-left fringe organisation, it will go for whoever emerges as crap Jesus’ anointed successor. The fundamental problem with the hard left is that they care more about ideology, identity and Palestine than they do about winning. Wining requires compromises and entails pragmatism, which the hard left regards as betrayal.
Bradgate said:
Depends on what the Labour Party wants to be.
If it is serious about trying to win, it will go for Starmer or Cooper. I voted for Yvette in the 2015 leadership election, because I thought she was a bright, competent, realistic and credible political grown-up. She also comes across as a relatively normal working mum, which I have always argued would be a very appealing ‘look’ for the Labour party leader, particularly in comparison with deadbeat dad Johnson.
If they want to stay a London-centric hard-left fringe organisation, it will go for whoever emerges as crap Jesus’ anointed successor. The fundamental problem with the hard left is that they care more about ideology, identity and Palestine than they do about winning. Wining requires compromises and entails pragmatism, which the hard left regards as betrayal.
Ditching ones principles for power is never a good look. See T.Blair esq and B. Johnson (remainer) for details...If it is serious about trying to win, it will go for Starmer or Cooper. I voted for Yvette in the 2015 leadership election, because I thought she was a bright, competent, realistic and credible political grown-up. She also comes across as a relatively normal working mum, which I have always argued would be a very appealing ‘look’ for the Labour party leader, particularly in comparison with deadbeat dad Johnson.
If they want to stay a London-centric hard-left fringe organisation, it will go for whoever emerges as crap Jesus’ anointed successor. The fundamental problem with the hard left is that they care more about ideology, identity and Palestine than they do about winning. Wining requires compromises and entails pragmatism, which the hard left regards as betrayal.
biggbn said:
Bradgate said:
Depends on what the Labour Party wants to be.
If it is serious about trying to win, it will go for Starmer or Cooper. I voted for Yvette in the 2015 leadership election, because I thought she was a bright, competent, realistic and credible political grown-up. She also comes across as a relatively normal working mum, which I have always argued would be a very appealing ‘look’ for the Labour party leader, particularly in comparison with deadbeat dad Johnson.
If they want to stay a London-centric hard-left fringe organisation, it will go for whoever emerges as crap Jesus’ anointed successor. The fundamental problem with the hard left is that they care more about ideology, identity and Palestine than they do about winning. Wining requires compromises and entails pragmatism, which the hard left regards as betrayal.
Ditching ones principles for power is never a good look. See T.Blair esq and B. Johnson (remainer) for details...If it is serious about trying to win, it will go for Starmer or Cooper. I voted for Yvette in the 2015 leadership election, because I thought she was a bright, competent, realistic and credible political grown-up. She also comes across as a relatively normal working mum, which I have always argued would be a very appealing ‘look’ for the Labour party leader, particularly in comparison with deadbeat dad Johnson.
If they want to stay a London-centric hard-left fringe organisation, it will go for whoever emerges as crap Jesus’ anointed successor. The fundamental problem with the hard left is that they care more about ideology, identity and Palestine than they do about winning. Wining requires compromises and entails pragmatism, which the hard left regards as betrayal.
Hopefully Emily Thornberry.
Her intellect level and debating skills would be comedy gold in PMQ’s. Boris would make mincemeat of her.
I think they have no one within their current crop who could lead the party to a win within the next 10 years. Hopefully.
Their entire front bench are so poor, it’s almost unbelievable they could have ended up in this position, but I’m glad they have.
Her intellect level and debating skills would be comedy gold in PMQ’s. Boris would make mincemeat of her.
I think they have no one within their current crop who could lead the party to a win within the next 10 years. Hopefully.
Their entire front bench are so poor, it’s almost unbelievable they could have ended up in this position, but I’m glad they have.
Until these type of loons are kicked into the long grass Labour has no chance.
Len McCluskey was on Pienarr's Politics this morning and the delusionometer was off the scale. Apparently Labour needs to continue radical policies, and they were very popular with the electorate (fak knows which electorate, maybe those on Planet Zarg).
I have no idea how they can return towards the centre but, if they don't, I can't see them being elected again in my lifetime (and I'm 47).
Or the moderates leave and start another party.
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