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OddCat said:
I think we should do away with this new fangled idea of getting in some alternative thinkers because, after all, everything is fine as it is. The NHS is fantastically efficient, public finances are well under control, the benefits system is amazing and not at all out of control, and everything is ticketty boo.....
Yeah, f
k it, lets bring on the eugenic mentalists with deep seated religious misogynist tendencies. Might be fine. FFS.
DeepEnd said:
OddCat said:
I think we should do away with this new fangled idea of getting in some alternative thinkers because, after all, everything is fine as it is. The NHS is fantastically efficient, public finances are well under control, the benefits system is amazing and not at all out of control, and everything is ticketty boo.....
Yeah, fk it, lets bring on the eugenic mentalists with deep seated religious misogynist tendencies. Might be fine. FFS.
Imagine you have a child with a critical brain problem that only one specialist bloke is skilled enough to fix. But he's on record as having made some sexist remarks some years ago. Are you going to turn down his offer to fix your child ?
OddCat said:
Depends whether getting the problems fixed is a greater good than worrying about who does the fixing.
Imagine you have a child with a critical brain problem that only one specialist bloke is skilled enough to fix. But he's on record as having made some sexist remarks some years ago. Are you going to turn down his offer to fix your child ?
Yeah it’s just like that. Imagine you have a child with a critical brain problem that only one specialist bloke is skilled enough to fix. But he's on record as having made some sexist remarks some years ago. Are you going to turn down his offer to fix your child ?
Sway said:
Surely dogs are a great example of some of this?
From what I can understand, relatively 'recent' development of the wide range of different breeds, and staggering variations in 'normal' (statistically) size/temperament/intelligence/etc.
Humanity can be a little odd - happy to manipulate other species via selective breeding. Have laws to protect those animals that effectively require you to euthanise them if their quality of life is diminished severely through health issues, etc. Yet those concepts seem to be considered abhorrent in a different context, even if the 'subject' is actively requesting it!
Didn’t have you down as a eugenics fan Sway. From what I can understand, relatively 'recent' development of the wide range of different breeds, and staggering variations in 'normal' (statistically) size/temperament/intelligence/etc.
Humanity can be a little odd - happy to manipulate other species via selective breeding. Have laws to protect those animals that effectively require you to euthanise them if their quality of life is diminished severely through health issues, etc. Yet those concepts seem to be considered abhorrent in a different context, even if the 'subject' is actively requesting it!
It might be more useful to focus on Emotional Intelligence and empathy than IQ if we want a better society.
El stovey said:
OddCat said:
Depends whether getting the problems fixed is a greater good than worrying about who does the fixing.
Imagine you have a child with a critical brain problem that only one specialist bloke is skilled enough to fix. But he's on record as having made some sexist remarks some years ago. Are you going to turn down his offer to fix your child ?
Yeah it’s just like that. Imagine you have a child with a critical brain problem that only one specialist bloke is skilled enough to fix. But he's on record as having made some sexist remarks some years ago. Are you going to turn down his offer to fix your child ?
“It’s so reasonable when I put it like this....”
DeepEnd said:
El stovey said:
OddCat said:
Depends whether getting the problems fixed is a greater good than worrying about who does the fixing.
Imagine you have a child with a critical brain problem that only one specialist bloke is skilled enough to fix. But he's on record as having made some sexist remarks some years ago. Are you going to turn down his offer to fix your child ?
Yeah it’s just like that. Imagine you have a child with a critical brain problem that only one specialist bloke is skilled enough to fix. But he's on record as having made some sexist remarks some years ago. Are you going to turn down his offer to fix your child ?
“It’s so reasonable when I put it like this....”
ckedTTwiggy said:
There’s quite some leeway between perfect and raving religious racist.
It's an interesting idea though as to what level of obnoxious can be overlooked to solve what scale of problem... Operation Paperclip springs to mind (snaffling all the Nazi scientists for US research programs) von Braun wasn't just a Nazi he was in the SS as were a number of his underlings. Regarding Cumming's guy though I question just how brilliant he is, or what he'll ever 'solve', if he's dumb enough to put his name to these ideas, irrespective of their lack of scientific merit! 
DeepEnd said:
Sway said:
Surely dogs are a great example of some of this?
From what I can understand, relatively 'recent' development of the wide range of different breeds, and staggering variations in 'normal' (statistically) size/temperament/intelligence/etc.
Humanity can be a little odd - happy to manipulate other species via selective breeding. Have laws to protect those animals that effectively require you to euthanise them if their quality of life is diminished severely through health issues, etc. Yet those concepts seem to be considered abhorrent in a different context, even if the 'subject' is actively requesting it!
Didn’t have you down as a eugenics fan Sway. From what I can understand, relatively 'recent' development of the wide range of different breeds, and staggering variations in 'normal' (statistically) size/temperament/intelligence/etc.
Humanity can be a little odd - happy to manipulate other species via selective breeding. Have laws to protect those animals that effectively require you to euthanise them if their quality of life is diminished severely through health issues, etc. Yet those concepts seem to be considered abhorrent in a different context, even if the 'subject' is actively requesting it!
It might be more useful to focus on Emotional Intelligence and empathy than IQ if we want a better society.
I have very emotive reasons for wishing that we could eliminate generational transference of truly undesirable genes - I'd rather my daughter wouldn't have to go through the same pain and challenges my better half has over the past three decades, but that's not to be.
I'd also prefer to have full colour vision, instead of the bulls
t variant I have genetically, only having recently discovered quite how much of the vibrancy of life I'm missing out on. But that's not to be. I'd love to have enabled the woman that sacrificed so much to raise me, going through what appears to be a genetically predisposed loss of memory - one that I am likely to experience if I live long enough. But that's not to be.
What, exactly, is lacking in my emotional intelligence or empathy by wishing these things could be avoided - as it appears is within the bounds of scientific possibility?
DeepEnd said:
Didn’t have you down as a eugenics fan Sway.
It might be more useful to focus on Emotional Intelligence and empathy than IQ if we want a better society.
Unless you can do it to everyone at the same time the all you end up with is a aggressive ambitious competitor that will just rip the nice friendly people a new one. I suspect we will eventually see this happen or even we are already seeing this happen to the west. It might be more useful to focus on Emotional Intelligence and empathy than IQ if we want a better society.
A bunch of spoilt rich kids that don't know the true cost and value of anything and what it took to give us what we have now.
Sway said:
Surely dogs are a great example of some of this?
From what I can understand, relatively 'recent' development of the wide range of different breeds, and staggering variations in 'normal' (statistically) size/temperament/intelligence/etc.
Humanity can be a little odd - happy to manipulate other species via selective breeding. Have laws to protect those animals that effectively require you to euthanise them if their quality of life is diminished severely through health issues, etc. Yet those concepts seem to be considered abhorrent in a different context, even if the 'subject' is actively requesting it!
I think it comes down to some people's idea of humanity being special rather than just being intelligent mammals. From what I can understand, relatively 'recent' development of the wide range of different breeds, and staggering variations in 'normal' (statistically) size/temperament/intelligence/etc.
Humanity can be a little odd - happy to manipulate other species via selective breeding. Have laws to protect those animals that effectively require you to euthanise them if their quality of life is diminished severely through health issues, etc. Yet those concepts seem to be considered abhorrent in a different context, even if the 'subject' is actively requesting it!
We are subject to natural selection and evolution just as much as any other mamml and in fact we are very good at it, which is why we spread to every continent.
This is an interesting article on the time frame of the adaptations needed to thrive in the European climate and this is for the European wide population.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europe...
JagLover said:
I think it comes down to some people's idea of humanity being special rather than just being intelligent mammals.
We are subject to natural selection and evolution just as much as any other mamml and in fact we are very good at it, which is why we spread to every continent.
This is an interesting article on the time frame of the adaptations needed to thrive in the European climate and this is for the European wide population.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europe...
WOW! sciencemag. It has science in the name1111. I wonder if this is a front for 'race realists'. probably not because they have 'science' in their doman name fWe are subject to natural selection and evolution just as much as any other mamml and in fact we are very good at it, which is why we spread to every continent.
This is an interesting article on the time frame of the adaptations needed to thrive in the European climate and this is for the European wide population.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europe...
kS SAKE YOU IDIOT. YOU fkING MORONin the mean time: https://twitter.com/davecurtis314/status/122970117...
When you say 'we spread to every continent' do you mean humans or white humans?
hifihigh said:
in the mean time: https://twitter.com/davecurtis314/status/122970117...
When you say 'we spread to every continent' do you mean humans or white humans?
I thought we’d had enough of experts. Who needs them, with their [ilearning[/i] and their science? Far better to just make some sWhen you say 'we spread to every continent' do you mean humans or white humans?
t up; there’s always some alt-right fanboi who’ll lap it up.hifihigh said:
JagLover said:
I think it comes down to some people's idea of humanity being special rather than just being intelligent mammals.
We are subject to natural selection and evolution just as much as any other mamml and in fact we are very good at it, which is why we spread to every continent.
This is an interesting article on the time frame of the adaptations needed to thrive in the European climate and this is for the European wide population.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europe...
WOW! sciencemag. It has science in the name1111. I wonder if this is a front for 'race realists'. probably not because they have 'science' in their doman name fWe are subject to natural selection and evolution just as much as any other mamml and in fact we are very good at it, which is why we spread to every continent.
This is an interesting article on the time frame of the adaptations needed to thrive in the European climate and this is for the European wide population.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europe...
kS SAKE YOU IDIOT. YOU fkING MORONin the mean time: https://twitter.com/davecurtis314/status/122970117...
When you say 'we spread to every continent' do you mean humans or white humans?
Not-The-Messiah said:
You criticise what you say is an unreliable website then post a link to Twitter. FFS.
Also rather surprising that the adaption of humanity to living in northern latitudes is now a controversial subject for some. Some people just seemed determined to work themselves into a frenzy and no doubt some poor blameless scientist is going to find themselves "no platformed" for some dry academic work on the subject. Not-The-Messiah said:
You criticise what you say is an unreliable website then post a link to Twitter. FFS.
hM I WOULDNT TRUST ME up caps. I posted a link to that guy to show that. it. is .ok.I don't like armchair genieologists. That is it it. I don't like them.
As far as a link to twitter is concerened, what was the alternative?
Twitter is exactly as reliable as any other website.
perhaps better because twitter is not filtered through other stuff
JagLover said:
Also rather surprising that the adaption of humanity to living in northern latitudes is now a controversial subject for some. Some people just seemed determined to work themselves into a frenzy and no doubt some poor blameless scientist is going to find themselves "no platformed" for some dry academic work on the subject.
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