2020 Retailers in trouble thread

[egor110]

jakesmith said:

egor110 said:

Tyre Smoke said:

Egor, assuming you're a postie, what is the overtime rate? Is it paid after 38 hours of basic contract or after 7 and a bit per day?

Depends , i don't think there offering 38 hour contracts anymore seems to be 22 hour now.

But its paid once that days hours have been breached.

So for me anything after 5.20 today and 5pm tomorrow is overtime.

It's paid at normal hourly rate £11.62 put if you do more than 10 hours overtime you get paid less than hourly rate.

Not the worst pay, although I'd imagine the work is pretty exhausting and the organisation probably a little challenging to work for.
Plus side is, get to keep fit and active, and scope to interact with all manor of people I'd guess?

Im on a rural van job and average 25k steps 6 days a week , the people pushing the trolley are around 12-13 miles , five days a week.

It's interesting at the moment as the people coming into the job are from really different previous jobs , bank staff , airline stewardess plus the usual ex forces.

[Frimley111R]

Drawweight said:

Go onto Parcel Monkey and you can get your parcel picked up from your address anyway. Or have an account with a courier who will do the same.

Yes but everyone knows the RM and trusts them and sees/knows their posties

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loafer123 said:

People who take on extra responsibilities should get extra remuneration to compensate.

Or recognise that if their jobs don't change their job might disappear? (Unlikely in the case of Royal Mail I know, but as a general observation)

[anonymous-user]

egor110 said:

What do you base that on ?

Tell me when they striked last .

They voted to strike last November and it was only stopped by the High Court. They voted to strike in March and it was stopped by Covid. They love a good strike.

[egor110]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

egor110 said:

What do you base that on ?

Tell me when they striked last .

They voted to strike last November and it was only stopped by the High Court. They voted to strike in March and it was stopped by Covid. They love a good strike.

Exactly so they haven't been on strike.

Regardless of covid they could of still gone on strike but they didn't.

If they wanted to they could bring the business to its knees by just working there contracted hours and taking there 40 min break.

[eliot]

loafer123 said:

People who take on extra responsibilities should get extra remuneration to compensate.

Clearly this will increase the amount of work they do and possibly their working hours.

I suspect you are part of the problem.
Normal people just call it workload - everyone’s workload goes up and down, once you are overworked and assuming you are not a slacker a business will employ more people.
Whereas you see collecting stuff as ‘extra responsibility’ needing a pay rise rather than something that gives you job and business security.

[anonymous-user]

egor110 said:

Exactly so they haven't been on strike.

Not through choice.

I always respect our posties, but the unions use them as pawns in a political game. RM always ends up being a political football.

[Tyre Smoke]

Thanks for the reply egor. £11.62 compares well with my taxi drivers, £11.00 an hour and 28 days paid leave. I like to get a comparison to make sure I'm paying decent wages.

I think, although I may be outdated on this, that the local bus drivers around here get paid less.

[AngryYorkshireman]

I'm, struggling to understand the practicalities of this, the postie round our way walks the whole street with a bag of mail (and maybe SMALL parcels). As I understand it they have to reach a certain speed - which I'm assuming is not just a leisurely stroll that you'd have on your holidays.

I do sometimes see a van around, but, it's not driven around the whole round.I'm guessing they use it as a "mobile" base

So how are they going to pick up big parcels and carry those around on foot? They're not going to keep walking back to the van (or carry around to the next 50 houses).

With the new parcel service, they can't do alternate days parcels/letters - who in the right mind is going to leave a parcel outside for two days?
I'm not even sure we get a delivery every day of post now. It suspiciously looks like no mail for a couple of days and then 3 days worth in one day.

So in effect they'll have to have the usual round, and then a parcels round.

[egor110]

AngryYorkshireman said:

I'm, struggling to understand the practicalities of this, the postie round our way walks the whole street with a bag of mail (and maybe SMALL parcels). As I understand it they have to reach a certain speed - which I'm assuming is not just a leisurely stroll that you'd have on your holidays.

I do sometimes see a van around, but, it's not driven around the whole round.I'm guessing they use it as a "mobile" base

So how are they going to pick up big parcels and carry those around on foot? They're not going to keep walking back to the van (or carry around to the next 50 houses).

With the new parcel service, they can't do alternate days parcels/letters - who in the right mind is going to leave a parcel outside for two days?
I'm not even sure we get a delivery every day of post now. It suspiciously looks like no mail for a couple of days and then 3 days worth in one day.

So in effect they'll have to have the usual round, and then a parcels round.

There probably in a van share so one gets dumped with the trolley whilst the other goes off and delivery /picks up parcels then picks up the walker and they move onto the next area.

Why will they only be doing alternate days ? Like i said pick ups will become a priority and delivering letters/junk mail will become the items that are left ( if the postie doesn't want to do overtime or if RM decide there no longer paying overtime .

There is less letter post now , a4 sized stuff has grown again in volume but the priority now is :

special deliveries , parcel pick ups , post boxes , trackers - these will get cleared daily

ordinary parcels and letters/ a4 if things need to be left it will be these .

[egor110]

Tyre Smoke said:

Thanks for the reply egor. £11.62 compares well with my taxi drivers, £11.00 an hour and 28 days paid leave. I like to get a comparison to make sure I'm paying decent wages.

I think, although I may be outdated on this, that the local bus drivers around here get paid less.

Were on 5 weeks leave 6 after you've done 10 years .

Big thing for me is i do 5 day weeks and get the entire 6th week off so next year including leave i get 13 entire weeks off work .

[AngryYorkshireman]

egor110 said:

There probably in a van share so one gets dumped with the trolley whilst the other goes off and delivery /picks up parcels then picks up the walker and they move onto the next area.

Why will they only be doing alternate days ? Like i said pick ups will become a priority and delivering letters/junk mail will become the items that are left ( if the postie doesn't want to do overtime or if RM decide there no longer paying overtime .

There is less letter post now , a4 sized stuff has grown again in volume but the priority now is :

special deliveries , parcel pick ups , post boxes , trackers - these will get cleared daily

ordinary parcels and letters/ a4 if things need to be left it will be these .

Thanks Egor for the insight.

[mcdjl]

egor110 said:

There probably in a van share so one gets dumped with the trolley whilst the other goes off and delivery /picks up parcels then picks up the walker and they move onto the next area.

Why will they only be doing alternate days ? Like i said pick ups will become a priority and delivering letters/junk mail will become the items that are left ( if the postie doesn't want to do overtime or if RM decide there no longer paying overtime .

There is less letter post now , a4 sized stuff has grown again in volume but the priority now is :

special deliveries , parcel pick ups , post boxes , trackers - these will get cleared daily

ordinary parcels and letters/ a4 if things need to be left it will be these .

Don't know quite how it actually works but we currently seem to have one van round with parcels to targeted houses, then a second van (which is parked up outside my house for ~1hr) while the postie walks the local streets to/from it.

[hyphen]

Tyre Smoke said:

Thanks for the reply egor. £11.62 compares well with my taxi drivers, £11.00 an hour and 28 days paid leave. I like to get a comparison to make sure I'm paying decent wages.

I think, although I may be outdated on this, that the local bus drivers around here get paid less.

Does it?

I would say being a Tax Driver is a harder job than a Postie. Have to take a license and keep renewing it, overheads of a car possibly, constant observation on the road, dealing with drunks and nutters and so on.

Up the wages for them, Tyre Scrooge

[BlackLabel]

HTP99 said:

Daughters best friend who is a store manger for GAP, who moved stores due to her original store closing has just been told that GAP is pulling out of Europe next year.

Announced it officially now. Well announced that they’re ‘considering’ it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/22/u...

[Tyre Smoke]

hyphen said:

Tyre Smoke said:

Thanks for the reply egor. £11.62 compares well with my taxi drivers, £11.00 an hour and 28 days paid leave. I like to get a comparison to make sure I'm paying decent wages.

I think, although I may be outdated on this, that the local bus drivers around here get paid less.

Does it?

I would say being a Tax Driver is a harder job than a Postie. Have to take a license and keep renewing it, overheads of a car possibly, constant observation on the road, dealing with drunks and nutters and so on.

Up the wages for them, Tyre Scrooge

All they do is drive. The car is fully expensed. The licence (here any way) is two pounds a week, less if you do three year renewals.

And there are no nutters or drunks currently, because there is nobody going out. They get paid leave, contributory pension scheme and a virtually new car to drive around in. Plus they don't drive the whole shift, they get paid when they're not moving too. I'm not a bad boss! Honest!

Edited by Tyre Smoke on Friday 23 October 15:13

[anonymous-user]

BlackLabel said:

Announced it officially now. Well announced that they’re ‘considering’ it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/22/u...

''said it now wanted to operate in Europe through “partnerships”, potentially both online and in stores.''

Not a full pull out though.

[hyphen]

Tyre Smoke said:

All they do is drive. The car is fully expensed. The licence (here any way) is two pounds a week, less if you do three year renewals.

And there are no nutters or drunks currently, because there is nobody going out. They get paid leave, contributory pension scheme and a virtually new car to drive around in. Plus they don't drive the whole shift, they get paid when they're not moving too. I'm not a bad boss! Honest!

Edited by Tyre Smoke on Friday 23 October 15:13

[DoctorX]

Back from the dead it seems: Woolworths!

[Wacky Racer]

A glass screen in front of the pick 'n mix to stop kids nicking them......