Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?

[Condi]

Mr Whippy said:

For all we know it’s a ruse for China citizens and the rest of the world is exposed to the propaganda.

So the vast community of international scientists working hard to understand the genetics of the virus, and come up with vaccinations and cures are all playing along with the 'ruse' as well are they?


There is some fking nonsense talked on here at times, which part of your brain genuinely thought that could possibly, even slightly, be correct?

[poo at Paul's]

None of it is making sense still and the complete lack of action in UK and elsewhere seems insane, even if what we are being told is going on in china is the entire picture.

There has to be something that someone knows, or the entire European goverments are completely inept or don't give st.

[Shaoxter]

Mr Whippy said:

TheJimi said:

Mr Whippy said:

I like tin foil hats.

This has all been cover for a CCP purge.

This situation is a lot of things, but it's not that, imo.

I don't doubt that in some way, shape or form, China has dropped the ball or made mistakes, but a deliberate act?.

Nah.

What’s a deliberate act?

A few thousand dead?

Numbers that diffuse into the daily deaths of a 10mill+ city and 20mill+ region.

For all we know it’s a ruse for China citizens and the rest of the world is exposed to the propaganda.


No idea... but CCP is a special case. And their cases of this virus seem to be a special case too.

So what would be the point of purging a few thousand of their own citizens? So they can shut down their factories and screw over their own GDP growth just to prove who's boss in the global supply chain?

Bill Gates is more likely to be behind it than the CCP.

[jshell]

poo at Paul's said:

None of it is making sense still and the complete lack of action in UK and elsewhere seems insane, even if what we are being told is going on in china is the entire picture.

There has to be something that someone knows, or the entire European goverments are completely inept or don't give st.

The 'quiet' is actually dis-quieting for me. I do wonder what's going on behind the scenes as I fear it may be quite a lot that we dn't know about.

[Munter]

poo at Paul's said:

None of it is making sense still and the complete lack of action in UK and elsewhere seems insane, even if what we are being told is going on in china is the entire picture.

There has to be something that someone knows, or the entire European goverments are completely inept or don't give st.

Complete lack of action?
A couple of pages back V6 was complaining about the actions to get people to call 111.
There's been information plastered all over social media and presumably in the print media.
People who test positive are being isolated.
People who've come into contact with someone who tested positive are hunted down and tested.
I don't know what happens if you say "yes" to having been to china at the airport. But you will be asked 2 or 3 times as you depart and arrive.
Front line medical staff have been run through fittings for PPE in case things do happen.
Every appropriate agency is making sure things are in place.

And something like 9 people might have had it, and barely any significant symptoms were experienced by the seem of it.

I'm surprised we don't have people complaining about the costs involved on these measures, given how little impact there has been on our population at this time.

[LimSlip]

Captain Smerc said:

Still officially nothing from South America & Africa?

This does concern me. The chances of there genuinely being no cases seems pretty slim compared to there being no cases diagnosed.

[anonymous-user]

Local newspaper article updating on the situation of the two people hospitalised by corona virus

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18244553.york-cor...

All well and thank you to the NHS

Hopefully the student will be continuing his / her studies

[p1stonhead]

JPJPJP said:

Local newspaper article updating on the situation of the two people hospitalised by corona virus

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18244553.york-cor...

All well and thank you to the NHS

Hopefully the student will be continuing his / her studies

Finally news about the York couple!

And once again, they are fine. Is that everyone diagnosed in the UK now discharged?

[cptsideways]

The NHS staff I know have heard very little on the subject....

[Pintofbest]

cptsideways said:

The NHS staff I know have heard very little on the subject....

Do they not watch the news?

[Gregmitchell]

p1stonhead said:

JPJPJP said:

Local newspaper article updating on the situation of the two people hospitalised by corona virus

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18244553.york-cor...

All well and thank you to the NHS

Hopefully the student will be continuing his / her studies

Finally news about the York couple!

And once again, they are fine. Is that everyone diagnosed in the UK now discharged?

Chinese lady still in London hospital for about a week now.

[TheJimi]

Pintofbest said:

cptsideways said:

The NHS staff I know have heard very little on the subject....

Do they not watch the news?

Very clever.


...oh wait

[DanL]

jshell said:

China is a country where political prisoners have their organs harvested and sold to the highest bidder. I can believe almost anything of them... https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellne...

Years ago I saw a book of photographs showing a long, long ditch. In front were prisoners with a single rifleman ready to shoot them. Behind the rifelment were a line of hospital vans and surgeons ready for the harvesting. Apparently the prisoners were injected with blood anti-coagulant before being shot.

fking vile!

Surely if you were going to do this, this isn’t the way you’d do it? You’d move the prisoner to the hospital, sedate them, remove and implant the organ, then kill the sedated prisoner... Fresh organs must be better than ones that aren’t?

[poo at Paul's]

Munter said:

Complete lack of action?
A couple of pages back V6 was complaining about the actions to get people to call 111.
There's been information plastered all over social media and presumably in the print media.
People who test positive are being isolated.
People who've come into contact with someone who tested positive are hunted down and tested.
I don't know what happens if you say "yes" to having been to china at the airport. But you will be asked 2 or 3 times as you depart and arrive.
Front line medical staff have been run through fittings for PPE in case things do happen.
Every appropriate agency is making sure things are in place.

And something like 9 people might have had it, and barely any significant symptoms were experienced by the seem of it.

I'm surprised we don't have people complaining about the costs involved on these measures, given how little impact there has been on our population at this time.

And yet I’ve seen not one poster, nothing on social media, no guidance for changing anything living wise, (eg restricting travel, hand washing etc) the only 111 stuff is in the press and from several weeks ago, no action in schools, no re education on hygiene, no extra gel dispensers, no guidance on coming back after half term if any minor symptoms, restrictions on incoming tourists of any nationalities or airlines or routes, reportedly (on here) no checking of temps at Heathrow etc. Much of what you’ve mentioned was from some weeks ago, Same time we were putting brits who did not have it in isolation for 2 weeks, but letting people,who did have it, in unchallenged.
It’s bonkers.

It’s as if the European Govts KNOW this is just a new cold style infection and KNOW that what’s going on in China is not what this Covid 19 is. Otherwise, how can they seem so relaxed about it now when it seems so infectious and and is killing hundreds a day in China. I cannot believe they don’t know something. If hundreds per day start dying in European countries, it will bring a major political ststorm IMO.
There has to be something they know that is not public knowledge. Whenever it started in China, dec, Nov etc, it’s turned into something pretty st over there, if there is the merest chance that could happen on the West, you would think there would be massive restrictions in place now and a huge national campaign to be ultra cautious and hygienic.

[otolith]

DanL said:

jshell said:

China is a country where political prisoners have their organs harvested and sold to the highest bidder. I can believe almost anything of them... https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellne...

Years ago I saw a book of photographs showing a long, long ditch. In front were prisoners with a single rifleman ready to shoot them. Behind the rifelment were a line of hospital vans and surgeons ready for the harvesting. Apparently the prisoners were injected with blood anti-coagulant before being shot.

fking vile!

Surely if you were going to do this, this isn’t the way you’d do it? You’d move the prisoner to the hospital, sedate them, remove and implant the organ, then kill the sedated prisoner... Fresh organs must be better than ones that aren’t?

This is the way that you would do it if you wanted to say that you were using donated organs from executed criminals, not executing criminals for their organs.

[Ridgemont]

DanL said:

jshell said:

China is a country where political prisoners have their organs harvested and sold to the highest bidder. I can believe almost anything of them... https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellne...

Years ago I saw a book of photographs showing a long, long ditch. In front were prisoners with a single rifleman ready to shoot them. Behind the rifelment were a line of hospital vans and surgeons ready for the harvesting. Apparently the prisoners were injected with blood anti-coagulant before being shot.

fking vile!

Surely if you were going to do this, this isn’t the way you’d do it? You’d move the prisoner to the hospital, sedate them, remove and implant the organ, then kill the sedated prisoner... Fresh organs must be better than ones that aren’t?

Doing it in front of a dirty great big ditch doesn’t seem to be particularly sterile..

[anonymous-user]

nffcforever said:

Using the data on page 4 of this site, you can eliminate China and the cruise ships and come up with some estimated CFRs based on what should be more reliable data from other countries:

Method 1:

deaths as of today / cases as of x days ago

eg:

5 / 105 = 4.75% CFR ... (where 105 was the no. of cases 3 weeks ago)

Method 2:

deaths as of y days ago / (deaths as of y days ago + recovered as of today)

eg:

3 / (3 + 153) = 5% CFR … (where 3 was the no. of deaths 6 days ago)


Obviously, these are based on confirmed cases which are still likely to be the more serious infections, so the %s if you were able to include all the mild or asymptomatic infections would be lower.

Edited by nffcforever on Wednesday 19th February 14:17

Method 2 cuts the ice but the sample size is too small. Wuhan is possibly more valid but still not really a good sample size.

[anonymous-user]

poo at Paul's said:

None of it is making sense still and the complete lack of action in UK and elsewhere seems insane, even if what we are being told is going on in china is the entire picture.

There has to be something that someone knows, or the entire European goverments are completely inept or don't give st.

What can they do?

Panic people = bad news
Spend millions on a campaign and checks = dont want to
Let it happen while paying lip service to the public = easy option

[Condi]

DanL said:

Surely if you were going to do this, this isn’t the way you’d do it? You’d move the prisoner to the hospital, sedate them, remove and implant the organ, then kill the sedated prisoner... Fresh organs must be better than ones that aren’t?

Indeed, and I'm sure the best way to harvest organs is do it in a ditch, full of mud and disease, rather than doing it in a hospital.


Almost as if, maybe, just maybe, its not totally true.

[tertius]

V6 Pushfit said:

nffcforever said:

Using the data on page 4 of this site, you can eliminate China and the cruise ships and come up with some estimated CFRs based on what should be more reliable data from other countries:

Method 1:

deaths as of today / cases as of x days ago

eg:

5 / 105 = 4.75% CFR ... (where 105 was the no. of cases 3 weeks ago)

Method 2:

deaths as of y days ago / (deaths as of y days ago + recovered as of today)

eg:

3 / (3 + 153) = 5% CFR … (where 3 was the no. of deaths 6 days ago)


Obviously, these are based on confirmed cases which are still likely to be the more serious infections, so the %s if you were able to include all the mild or asymptomatic infections would be lower.

Edited by nffcforever on Wednesday 19th February 14:17

Method 2 cuts the ice but the sample size is too small. Wuhan is possibly more valid but still not really a good sample size.

Err ... 3/(3+153) = just under 2% not 5%