Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
Discussion
red_slr said:
Apparently Wuhan is going to remain on lock down until at least the middle of March.
It was unlocked yesterday for about 30 minutes but then they realised they misunderstood the instructions from Beijing and promptly re-locked it.A moment of hilarity in China for a brief moment.
Any excuse to poke fun at the CCP.
Exige77 said:
croyde said:
Have tended to press lift buttons and crossing ones with my knuckle for years now.
No way do I use the touch screens at MacDonalds, the rare times I go there.
Touch screens equal the death of humankind.
There's a guy sniffling and coughing next to me on the train right now. I'd be doing everything to not attract attention if I had a cold. Obviously no shame.
Pregnant woman sitting opposite too. She's taking a risk.
As I said earlier, I'm turning into Howard Hughes.
If I didn't have family to care for, I'd be seriously thinking of camping wild up in the North or West for a few months.
Blimey, what has reading this thread done to me.
I think you are being prudent. No way do I use the touch screens at MacDonalds, the rare times I go there.
Touch screens equal the death of humankind.
There's a guy sniffling and coughing next to me on the train right now. I'd be doing everything to not attract attention if I had a cold. Obviously no shame.
Pregnant woman sitting opposite too. She's taking a risk.
As I said earlier, I'm turning into Howard Hughes.
If I didn't have family to care for, I'd be seriously thinking of camping wild up in the North or West for a few months.
Blimey, what has reading this thread done to me.
Still going about your daily life but just be aware of the risks around you and trying to avoid them if reasonably possible.
And I *never* wash my hands in a restaurant or pub toilet the sinks and taps must be crawling with bacteria and the paper towel dispensers too. Never use a stall, only a urinal. Try and keep my hands away from the "splash back" and I generally try and keep the "flow rate" low..
to avoid splash back. Other than that not much else I can do in that regard.Since the invention of hand gel I always have some in the car, so use that as soon as I get back into the car. Wifey usually has some in her handbag too.
p1stonhead said:
poo at Paul's said:
Gary C said:
Yey.
Feeling fine this morning. Obviously not C19.
Not sure if you’re joking or not, but you need to read up more on the way this has presented in some cases. Feeling fine this morning. Obviously not C19.
Since you went out there without knowledge of any issue but have come back now knowing there is a problem in an area you’ve been to, you really should call 111 and seek advice. It’s the responsible thing to do imho.
It’s really not that hard, but people ignoring sensible advice about getting in touch with professionals is what is causing this to spread worse than it needs to.
If he calls and they say ‘oh no, you’re ok don’t worry’ so be it. But we all know that’s unlikely based on reports on how this illness presents.
The phone call is even free, what harm can it do?
Or, don’t be arsed, don’t take it seriously and potentially spread it about to all and sundry. Don’t worry one can reconcile it with the sort of comment posted yesterday and quoted above about it being inevitable it will spread! No s
t. red_slr said:
I *never* wash my hands in a restaurant or pub
I can appreciate why it might in certain circumstances actually do more harm than good (for you and/or for others) to attempt to wash your hands - eg when the soap is empty and the tap is knackered and difficult to turn on.But to *never* wash your hands in a restaurant or pub is not good, unless you use the alcohol gel / wipes before you then start touching objects in the venue.
Edited by nffcforever on Tuesday 25th February 08:55
red_slr said:
Exige77 said:
croyde said:
Have tended to press lift buttons and crossing ones with my knuckle for years now.
No way do I use the touch screens at MacDonalds, the rare times I go there.
Touch screens equal the death of humankind.
There's a guy sniffling and coughing next to me on the train right now. I'd be doing everything to not attract attention if I had a cold. Obviously no shame.
Pregnant woman sitting opposite too. She's taking a risk.
As I said earlier, I'm turning into Howard Hughes.
If I didn't have family to care for, I'd be seriously thinking of camping wild up in the North or West for a few months.
Blimey, what has reading this thread done to me.
I think you are being prudent. No way do I use the touch screens at MacDonalds, the rare times I go there.
Touch screens equal the death of humankind.
There's a guy sniffling and coughing next to me on the train right now. I'd be doing everything to not attract attention if I had a cold. Obviously no shame.
Pregnant woman sitting opposite too. She's taking a risk.
As I said earlier, I'm turning into Howard Hughes.
If I didn't have family to care for, I'd be seriously thinking of camping wild up in the North or West for a few months.
Blimey, what has reading this thread done to me.
Still going about your daily life but just be aware of the risks around you and trying to avoid them if reasonably possible.
And I *never* wash my hands in a restaurant or pub toilet the sinks and taps must be crawling with bacteria and the paper towel dispensers too. Never use a stall, only a urinal. Try and keep my hands away from the "splash back" and I generally try and keep the "flow rate" low..
to avoid splash back. Other than that not much else I can do in that regard.Since the invention of hand gel I always have some in the car, so use that as soon as I get back into the car. Wifey usually has some in her handbag too.
It took me 2 weeks to fully recover (before getting flu right after). I lost a week at work which was incredibly frustrating and thank goodness my little boy didn't catch anything from me. I spent the entire time with alcohol hand wash, my own bin and towel and sleeping in different rooms to my wife.
Life lesson, print photos online and get them delivered!
nffcforever said:
That is a very good link!For the touch screen worried: https://www.amazon.co.uk/slp/phone-gloves/e8rg7h6o...
red_slr said:
Yes and no.
If the virus is similar to a previous one your antibodies may be able to adapt.
However with a novel virus there is no way for your antibodies to adapt and then it takes time for your body to fight it off.
IIRC.... all from Dr Johns youtube videos..
The issue is that we don't know what level of immunity we have from the fact that almost everyone on the planet has been exposed to coronaviruses that have very high homology to the one causing CoViD-19. If the virus is similar to a previous one your antibodies may be able to adapt.
However with a novel virus there is no way for your antibodies to adapt and then it takes time for your body to fight it off.
IIRC.... all from Dr Johns youtube videos..
It's called heterologous immunity and it's a bit of a cat and mouse game between immune system and pathogen. Endemic pathogens undergo a selection pressure to ensure that they are unique enough to avoid heterologous immunity, new pathogens are less likely to have adapted to avoid this. When people say we have no immunity to this new pathogen it's not completely accurate. The fact is we can't know for sure what level of immunity the population carries. My suspicion is that it is likely to be low just because immunity to established coronaviruses is a bit patchy and not very long-lived but that's just a guess really.
I'm immune to human tuberculosis in spite of the fact that my immune system as only ever seen the antigens present on the bovine specific mycobacterium. A lot of vaccines exploit heterologous immunity. We like to think of antibodies as the super-specific silver bullets of the immune system but in reality, the immune system likes to keep it's options open, mainly because the number of potentially harmful antigens far outstrips our T-Cell repertoire.
There will be a large number of people that get this whose immune systems clear it without them ever being aware of the infection. Just like the majority of flu infections are either asymptomatic or very mild (you only remember the bad cases).
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/1403...
When people say you can't get over flu in a day they're talking rubbish. Most flu infection doesn't even cause symptoms. We'll see if this new virus is similar in that respect.
Jim on the hill said:
What would you suggest should have been done? Seems as if we have had a few cases and dealt with it accordingly.
The alternative I guess is close all the schools for two weeks? But what parents are going to stay home for 14 days without leaving the house. Then the kids are back to school with the virus they have picked up from other kids in Legoland or similar.
I suggest that during half term, the schools fit a load more gel dispensers, develop a programm to remind kids to wash hands more, use gel before and after lessons, if anyone feels ill or fevers to seek help immediately from a teacher or responsible adult, remind them to check with parents if they’ve been to any affected areas and take extra precautions if so, eg no kissing, sharing food and drink at lunch. That sort of thing. The alternative I guess is close all the schools for two weeks? But what parents are going to stay home for 14 days without leaving the house. Then the kids are back to school with the virus they have picked up from other kids in Legoland or similar.
It seems to me to be common sense and the authorities have certainly dropped the ball with the advice offered before half term. I suspect once a confirmed case is in a school, and certainly is some kid dies from it, they advice will miraculously change. Of course by then it will be far too late.
The way this is being handled by UK Govt is shockingly s
t imho. The advice being offered is utterly useless as people are ultimately very selfish and will do as they want, so to leave it in an individuals hands to decide is naive.This virus cannot be stopped now, spread wise, but the spread can be slowed down to allow more time to treat patients that catch it. To have offered advice just before half term to say, nothing to see here was utterly remiss. Because now, there appears to be something to see.
People returning from Northern Italy must now self isolate - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51625733
Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
CallMeLegend said:
People returning from Northern Italy must now self isolate - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51625733
Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
Sooner or later someone is going to rock up at a surgery with the symptoms.Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
CallMeLegend said:
People returning from Northern Italy must now self isolate - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51625733
Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
Matt Hancock on BBC Breakfast said:
Britons returning from northern Italy are being told to self-isolate in the UK if they show coronavirus symptoms.
That's an important distinction. Was your omission deliberate or an oversight?Anyone listening to Radio 5 now?
It’s just embarrassing.
Their so called experts for their virus phone in are:
1. Some guy who doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s talking about (eg. he said the virus is 100x more lethal than seasonal flu)
2. Travel writer Simon Calder who is just basically taking every opportunity to tell people to keep travelling and going on holiday.
It’s just embarrassing.
Their so called experts for their virus phone in are:
1. Some guy who doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s talking about (eg. he said the virus is 100x more lethal than seasonal flu)
2. Travel writer Simon Calder who is just basically taking every opportunity to tell people to keep travelling and going on holiday.
WindyCommon said:
CallMeLegend said:
People returning from Northern Italy must now self isolate - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51625733
Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
Matt Hancock on BBC Breakfast said:
Britons returning from northern Italy are being told to self-isolate in the UK if they show coronavirus symptoms.
That's an important distinction. Was your omission deliberate or an oversight?“The advice also applies to anyone who recently returned from Italy's quarantined towns even if they have no symptoms”
nffcforever said:
red_slr said:
I *never* wash my hands in a restaurant or pub
I can appreciate why it might in certain circumstances actually do more harm than good (for you and/or for others) to attempt to wash your hands - eg when the soap is empty and the tap is knackered and difficult to turn on.But to *never* wash your hands in a restaurant or pub is not good, unless you use the alcohol gel / wipes before you then start touching objects in the venue.
Edited by nffcforever on Tuesday 25th February 08:55
Almost never use the toilets for starters and if I do then its always on the way out - trust me I don't want to eat food after going near the toilets.
In my 40 years on this planet I have had a gastro episode once, and it was from a can on vegetable soup!
Something else I do is inspect the cutlery before I start eating, you would be amazed how often you find food still on there - I would say 20-30% of the time they are not clean enough. Especially knifes.
red_slr said:
Never use the traps, can use the urinal without touching any part of my lower body.
Almost never use the toilets for starters and if I do then its always on the way out - trust me I don't want to eat food after going near the toilets.
In my 40 years on this planet I have had a gastro episode once, and it was from a can on vegetable soup!
Something else I do is inspect the cutlery before I start eating, you would be amazed how often you find food still on there - I would say 20-30% of the time they are not clean enough. Especially knifes.
Fair enough - sounds like you are going about it in a sensible and considerate way.Almost never use the toilets for starters and if I do then its always on the way out - trust me I don't want to eat food after going near the toilets.
In my 40 years on this planet I have had a gastro episode once, and it was from a can on vegetable soup!
Something else I do is inspect the cutlery before I start eating, you would be amazed how often you find food still on there - I would say 20-30% of the time they are not clean enough. Especially knifes.
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