Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?

Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?

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Jim on the hill

5,072 posts

189 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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nigelpugh7 said:
mcelliott said:
nigelpugh7 said:
Jim on the hill said:
nigelpugh7 said:


It was really scary to see, and even more so to try and explain to my young chidren what was actually going on.
Surely you just tell them the truth? They might be sick so they are off for treatment? It's not like they will be executed or turn into Zombies.
We tried to do just that, but with kids aged 13 and 11 they have access to more up to date social media feeds than we do!
I'm intrigued, so what did you say, from your earlier post I pictured them as a lot younger.
I’m not sure what you mean.

My two kids are pretty bright,,plus they are well up on social media trends too.

So when we said to them don’t worry it’s just a precaution, they said well in all the years we have been on holidays in lots of countries and airports we’ve never seen anything like that before, so should we be worried mum and dad?

Trust me as a parent it really really focuses the mind!
I appreciate your worry but ultimately those people were having their temperature checked to see if they need treatment.

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Could this possibly be SO mild that it doesn’t even come up as positive in tests for most people? But they can still spread it?

That could explain why so many tests have come back negative which is kind of unfathomable at the moment?

Who knows, 8 million in Wuhan could have it and only 80,000 somehow show a positive test result?

NoNeed

15,137 posts

199 months

Jim on the hill

5,072 posts

189 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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p1stonhead said:
Could this possibly be SO mild that it doesn’t even come up as positive in tests for most people? But they can still spread it?

That could explain why so many tests have come back negative which is kind of unfathomable at the moment?

Who knows, 8 million in Wuhan could have it and only 80,000 somehow show a positive test result?
It does seem odd that if this is so infection why we haven't seen alot more.

Google suggests the population of Wuhan is 11,800,000 and reports say 5,000,000 escaped.

So out of the 6,800,000 left only 1.2% have been infected?

red_slr

17,122 posts

188 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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magpie215 said:
Crumpet said:
Anyone started ‘prepping’?
On a serious note my priority "prep" now is not to get sick or pick up any injuries that would require a trip to the hospital. Don't take any risks basically.

Go to work, don't do anything stupid, come home, drive carefully and rinse and repeat.

ABZ RS6

749 posts

102 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Was supposed to be in Milan next week for a meeting but CEO called from Houston today to say stcan it.

Interested to see when the first case pops up in Scotland given the 6 Nations fixture in Rome last weekend. Vast majority of Italian rugby supporters hail from the north of the country.

Edited by ABZ RS6 on Tuesday 25th February 21:54

poo at Paul's

14,116 posts

174 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Why on earth you'd want to take your family with kids into an airport at the moment, I don't know.
For those worried now with closed schools, or who are in isolation, etc etc, or having to explain to kids why the hazmat guys just wheeled off some guy in a mask, was the trip really worth it?
Of course, all the billy big balls will say, "yes and I would go again tomorrow", but we know you're full of st. They will be the first ones bhing ad moaning if they or a loved one gets ill.

People should have been taking this all a bit more seriously, IMHO. Anyone who really thinks what the Chinese have done with their own people (and god knows what they may have been doing and kept secret) is just over "a bit of flu", really is daft. Why they have acted this way, what they know about it, well they haven't said as such, but they know more about it than they are letting on, that is for sure.


p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Jim on the hill said:
p1stonhead said:
Could this possibly be SO mild that it doesn’t even come up as positive in tests for most people? But they can still spread it?

That could explain why so many tests have come back negative which is kind of unfathomable at the moment?

Who knows, 8 million in Wuhan could have it and only 80,000 somehow show a positive test result?
It does seem odd that if this is so infection why we haven't seen alot more.

Google suggests the population of Wuhan is 11,800,000 and reports say 5,000,000 escaped.

So out of the 6,800,000 left only 1.2% have been infected?
Or lots most have it but only 1.2% are testing positive....

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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red_slr said:
magpie215 said:
Crumpet said:
Anyone started ‘prepping’?
On a serious note my priority "prep" now is not to get sick or pick up any injuries that would require a trip to the hospital. Don't take any risks basically.

Go to work, don't do anything stupid, come home, drive carefully and rinse and repeat.
I mean, this is probably just what you should be doing anyway laugh

TheJimi

24,860 posts

242 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Ok, I could google it, but can someone explain to me what happened with this exodus of 5m from Wuhan?

Was that 5m people thinking "fk this, I'm getting the hell outa dodge"?

Or was that 5m people who were travelling for "normal" reasons?

red_slr

17,122 posts

188 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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p1stonhead said:
red_slr said:
magpie215 said:
Crumpet said:
Anyone started ‘prepping’?
On a serious note my priority "prep" now is not to get sick or pick up any injuries that would require a trip to the hospital. Don't take any risks basically.

Go to work, don't do anything stupid, come home, drive carefully and rinse and repeat.
I mean, this is probably just what you should be doing anyway laugh
I do a lot of stupid things on a regular basis wink


red_slr

17,122 posts

188 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Just seen a report of "more" deaths in Italy,

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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p1stonhead said:
Could this possibly be SO mild that it doesn’t even come up as positive in tests for most people? But they can still spread it?

That could explain why so many tests have come back negative which is kind of unfathomable at the moment?

Who knows, 8 million in Wuhan could have it and only 80,000 somehow show a positive test result?
The number of negative tests in the UK means bog all it’s an irrelevant number.

WHO have said they don’t think there’s a lost cohort In China so that’s pretty dramatic. The worst news this week and really fked me off for two reasons:

a) there’s no massive home recovery cohort to balance the hospital stats to, to get them down

b) it proves WHO have been using the stats as they are, as they aren’t altering their numbers in the light of ‘no recovery cohort’

8 mil vs 80,000? Already answered as millions upon millions left and the remainers have been in isolation. At least it shows isolation has worked.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th February 21:31

Gecko1978

9,600 posts

156 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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eharding said:
Gecko1978 said:
nigelpugh7 said:
Jim on the hill said:
nigelpugh7 said:


It was really scary to see, and even more so to try and explain to my young chidren what was actually going on.
Surely you just tell them the truth? They might be sick so they are off for treatment? It's not like they will be executed or turn into Zombies.
We tried to do just that, but with kids aged 13 and 11 they have access to more up to date social media feeds than we do!
My son is 5 I told him it was start of a zombie apocalypse
It's very funny right up until the point you get a nosebleed and before you know it he's stuck an axe in your head.
I should not laugh....but that is funny

Harpoon

1,859 posts

213 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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magpie215 said:
Good friends of ours have a son & partner who work in Hong Kong. Apparently there's a major shortage of toilet roll, so they are posting it over from the UK. However, it's liable to get nicked en-route if ID'd so they have to take the cardboard roll out the middle and flatten it, then wrap it in old clothes to hide it!

jacobingonzo

39 posts

149 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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some might think this is the real reason the WHO are reluctant to declare a pandemic? cant have all those private investors losing their money on these bonds that have made them squillions since 2017!!


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02415-9

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Here’s why self isolation is bullst

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51628524

Vanden Saab

13,889 posts

73 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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magpie215 said:
Crumpet said:
Anyone started ‘prepping’?
That is prepping... Jeez.. If Mrs VS ever had that few in the house she would be in full on panic mode...

anonymous-user

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53 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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So IMO - WHO have pissed about with the figures to give a more acceptable rate up to today by:
a) using case numbers on the recovery side of the equation
b) using the ‘dont know how many home recoveries there are’ as an extra mythical fudge.
c) finally fudging it with ‘this might not be accurate’ or in some instances just x%?

Now b) has gone, they’re faced with the reality of ‘the hospital stats are it’ so I expect a revision of the rate will be in order after pressure from scholars for them to update it in the light of this.
THEN this Govt will do something - stop Chinese/Italian etc flights would be a good start!

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th February 21:54

red_slr

17,122 posts

188 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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jacobingonzo said:
some might think this is the real reason the WHO are reluctant to declare a pandemic? cant have all those private investors losing their money on these bonds that have made them squillions since 2017!!


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02415-9
Wow so July 2020 all of a sudden it will be a pandemic!
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