US presidential election 2020:Winner?
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Fittster said:
Has Sanders pledged not to run as an independent if he doesn't get the DNC nomination?
If he runs as an independent, he'd surely cripple any establishment DNC candidates chances. It's not as if he's got any real commitment to the party and at his age, there won't be another chance.
Good question Fitt. I really have not heard. You are correct that would a game changer. If he runs as an independent, he'd surely cripple any establishment DNC candidates chances. It's not as if he's got any real commitment to the party and at his age, there won't be another chance.
Edited by Fittster on Thursday 20th February 23:33
Fittster said:
I don't understand why people on this forum are so certain that if the DNC nominate Sanders, then Trump wins the election.
I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
That would split the vote. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they stay home if he does not get the nomination even if he doesn’t run as an independent. I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
Fittster said:
I don't understand why people on this forum are so certain that if the DNC nominate Sanders, then Trump wins the election.
I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
Those blue column entries have 7 or 8 names (didn't count, that's an estimate). I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
Will Trump eventually go up against only 1 opponent?
Try Oddschecker
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/u...
Or Oddsshark
https://www.oddsshark.com/politics/2020-usa-presid...
Or BetFred
https://www.betfred.com/sports/event/6452473.2
Etc
BTW that hyperbolic description of PH ^ is way off the mark, it looks like a pop at people who don't agree with failed leftist dogma.
Fittster said:
I don't understand why people on this forum are so certain that if the DNC nominate Sanders, then Trump wins the election.
I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
we have many a leftie too but going on threads like this, if you've found a way to filter them out I'd patent the process.I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
One thing most mainstream media has consistently shown in recent times is that it really doesn't have its finger on the pulse when it comes to votes, or understand how people are thinking.
Teddy Lop said:
One thing most mainstream media has consistently shown in recent times is that it really doesn't have its finger on the pulse when it comes to votes, or understand how people are thinking.
The mainstream media is not trying to portray reality. It is trying to influence it.Fittster said:
I don't understand why people on this forum are so certain that if the DNC nominate Sanders, then Trump wins the election.
I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
If you had used the bulk of the UK media and twitter etc. to forecast the last General Election in the UK you would have put your money on Corbyn. Look at the actual figures regarding voter satisfaction and look at what those floating/ quiet voters in the USA ie. the ones who really matter are saying and you will see another story. I am going to go out on a limb and suggest Trump will win with a larger share of the vote compared to last time in much the same way Boris did.I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
Vanden Saab said:
Fittster said:
I don't understand why people on this forum are so certain that if the DNC nominate Sanders, then Trump wins the election.
I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
If you had used the bulk of the UK media and twitter etc. to forecast the last General Election in the UK you would have put your money on Corbyn. I understand that this is a very right wing forum but if you type "can bernie sanders beat trump" into google, it doesn't come back with a Trump win being a foregone conclusion.
For example:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_po...
If the DNC have an angry Bernie running as an independent while they put up Bloomberg or Biden to take on Trump, then you'd assume that the vote on the left would be split giving a simple victory to Trump.
Fittster said:
I don't understand why people on this forum are so certain that if the DNC nominate Sanders, then Trump wins the election.
The first answer is that some Democratic voters won’t turn out for Sanders and will stay away from the ballot come election day. The second answer is similar to last years UK election result, where Labour were stuck inside an echo chamber.
Due to the U.S electoral system Sanders has a high probability of losing because his support base is too concentrated in metropolitan areas like New York and California. Sanders lacks the wider appeal into places like Texas in order to get the win in the bag.
I don’t think that there will be many people here who will speak unkindly of Sanders, he seems a nice bloke and all, getting Americans to mobilise and vote en-mass for him however, will be a great challenge.
Carl_Manchester said:
The first answer is that some Democratic voters won’t turn out for Sanders and will stay away from the ballot come election day.
The second answer is similar to last years UK election result, where Labour were stuck inside an echo chamber.
Due to the U.S electoral system Sanders has a high probability of losing because his support base is too concentrated in metropolitan areas like New York and California. Sanders lacks the wider appeal into places like Texas in order to get the win in the bag.
I don’t think that there will be many people here who will speak unkindly of Sanders, he seems a nice bloke and all, getting Americans to mobilise and vote en-mass for him however, will be a great challenge.
Agree with that. I dont think Sanders has the pull in areas outside the metro base, and get across the line and beat Trump. Plus he is 78, issues with his heart and will he survive two terms? The second answer is similar to last years UK election result, where Labour were stuck inside an echo chamber.
Due to the U.S electoral system Sanders has a high probability of losing because his support base is too concentrated in metropolitan areas like New York and California. Sanders lacks the wider appeal into places like Texas in order to get the win in the bag.
I don’t think that there will be many people here who will speak unkindly of Sanders, he seems a nice bloke and all, getting Americans to mobilise and vote en-mass for him however, will be a great challenge.
Carl_Manchester said:
Fittster said:
I don't understand why people on this forum are so certain that if the DNC nominate Sanders, then Trump wins the election.
The first answer is that some Democratic voters won’t turn out for Sanders and will stay away from the ballot come election day. The second answer is similar to last years UK election result, where Labour were stuck inside an echo chamber.
Due to the U.S electoral system Sanders has a high probability of losing because his support base is too concentrated in metropolitan areas like New York and California. Sanders lacks the wider appeal into places like Texas in order to get the win in the bag.
I don’t think that there will be many people here who will speak unkindly of Sanders, he seems a nice bloke and all, getting Americans to mobilise and vote en-mass for him however, will be a great challenge.
Texas doesn't matter, it's going red whatever happens. The only states that really count, like always, are the purple swing states. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Colorado, Florida.
Challo said:
Agree with that. I dont think Sanders has the pull in areas outside the metro base, and get across the line and beat Trump. Plus he is 78, issues with his heart and will he survive two terms?
Age is different for different people. I am not aware of any health issues with Bloomberg, but he is slightly older than Sanders. Biden is just under Sanders’ age iirc. Challo said:
Agree with that. I dont think Sanders has the pull in areas outside the metro base, and get across the line and beat Trump. Plus he is 78, issues with his heart and will he survive two terms?
Age is different for different people. I am not aware of any health issues with Bloomberg, but he is slightly older than Sanders. Biden is just under Sanders’ age iirc. Some topless women interrupted Sanders’ rally the other day wielding signs saying “let dairy die” in protest of cattle and animal exploitation, etc. when asked why they were topless the leader replied; “ We chose to be topless in solidarity with exploited cows”. Hollywood would struggle to write better comedy.
unrepentant said:
Sanders biggest problem would be turning out the independent vote. The base would come out whoever the candidate is and the one advantage that Bernie has is that the young people would turn out for him in large numbers, moreso than they would for any of the others.
Texas doesn't matter, it's going red whatever happens. The only states that really count, like always, are the purple swing states. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Colorado, Florida.
IIRC Bernie has a big lead among independent s, bigger than Trump had in '16Texas doesn't matter, it's going red whatever happens. The only states that really count, like always, are the purple swing states. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Colorado, Florida.
Jimbeaux said:
Some topless women interrupted Sanders’ rally the other day wielding signs saying “let dairy die” in protest of cattle and animal exploitation, etc. when asked why they were topless the leader replied; “ We chose to be topless in solidarity with exploited cows”. Hollywood would struggle to write better comedy.
Don't discourage them. All political rallies could do with some topless women.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff