Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[Edinburger]

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

The SNP pushed for the bridge to be built. They organised the funding, planning permission, etc.

They then, presumably, left the design and the building and the project management to the teams of subject matter experts. Sturgeon or Salmond were probably pictured with a spade making the first dig into the grind but you know that’s for the cameras and they didn’t actually stay and build the bridge themselves, right?

Nice deflection 'burger. The politicians were the ones writing the cheques on behalf of the populace, so if they handed the money over to the 'teams of subject matter experts', they carry the can for the failures. That is how it works in a representative democracy!

So every single outcome from all public spend in the country is ultimately the SNP's responsibility?

I was the the pool last weekend and someone's daughter was injured by a faulty locker door. If I see her dad again I'll tell him it's the SG's fault.

[Edinburger]

nikaiyo2 said:

Edinburger said:

nikaiyo2 said:

Edinburger said:

That’s 21st Century Britain.

Just look at the arguing over the proposed Sherrifhall flyover.

No it is 21st Century Scotland, quite specifically and relevant to this thread, it was not a British matter, it was Scottish.

You know the Scottish SNP who would do things so differently to Westminster.
Well I suppose they did have to build something in the sure and certain knowledge that it was not fit for purpose just to appease their political cronies.

Seriously? Do you think it was the SNP who designed and built the Queensferry Crossing?

You do know some bridges in England were closed yesterday too? Presumably that's the SNP's fault too?

I am sure you misread what I wrote, I did not mention closure due to bad weather, of course this can happen all over the world.

You attempted to suggest that the bridge, being too narrow was due to 21st Century Britain. As in the British government was to blame for the short comings in the bridge design. This is not the case. The bridge was a Scottish government project. The bridge is not an insight into British government incompetence it is an insight into the incompetence of the Scottish government. Perhaps an insight to how much better things will be post independence.

No. You've misunderstood.

The bridge is too lanes (plus hard shoulder) because the Greens would only support the SNP and vote for the bridge if they were given assurance that there would not be a third lane.

[Edinburger]

csd19 said:

tvrolet said:

deadslow said:

I'm sure the bridge was designed and built by some rich Tory contractor. Same as the hospitals.

But at least they chose Scottish steel, right?




oh, wait...

Now now, we did get a (non-) fking PANDA!!

The greens must have some serious st on the majority of the SNP if their interference in fking up things like the bridge is anything to judge by.

Did you type that sober?

[A.J.M]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-draggin...

So.

It appears the SNP have been dragging their heels on this matter.

With this, the closure is the fault of the snp for failing to act and ignoring warnings about how this could happen again.

As has been said, they can happily take the glory when it suits.
They can take the flack also.

[s2kjock]

Presumably as soon as you install sensors you have something measurable, evidenced and recorded.

If the thresholds are set too low the bridge could end up being closed (to all traffic) much more often in the winter.

Set too high and any incidents of damage to vehicles will raise serious questions of the bridge "management".

I can understand the reluctance to fit anything other than a very subjective mark one eyeball with the wiggle room that provides.

[Alpacaman]

Edinburger said:

That is absolutely not my position.

I get frustrated when I see people politicising events like we’ve seen over the last few days.

I'm sorry I must have been mistaken that it was you that came on here claiming it was entirely down to the SNP that the bridge was built.

Edinburger said:

It was the SNP who commissioned a replacement bridge over the Firth of Forth. Previous Lib Dem, Labour and Conservative representatives faffed about for years over a replacement bridge and retaining tolls. It was the SNP who decisively announced a new bridge to keep the strategically important transport corridor open The SNP relied on the Greens vote to get it through Holyrood and one of their conditions of support was that it would not become a three lane motorway.

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[technodup]

Edinburger said:

Seriously? What’s gone wrong? What’s so bad? A bridge closed for safety reasons for a day or two just as bridges and tunnels sometimes close all over the world.

No, the fact that by various accounts it hasn't actually solved the problem it was supposed to.

[csd19]

Edinburger said:

csd19 said:

tvrolet said:

deadslow said:

I'm sure the bridge was designed and built by some rich Tory contractor. Same as the hospitals.

But at least they chose Scottish steel, right?




oh, wait...

Now now, we did get a (non-) fking PANDA!!

The greens must have some serious st on the majority of the SNP if their interference in fking up things like the bridge is anything to judge by.

Did you type that sober?

Stone cold, I tend to go weeks if not months without a drink, but thanks for your concern.

How's the view from up there? No need to be quite so condescending 'Burger. I was merely making a dig at the use of Chinese steel in the build instead of local steelmills. Wonder what the carbon footprint for the QC is after shipping the materials halfway round the world, that must've impressed the greens no end.

I just find it strange that the SNP would choose to hamstring themselves severely by hooking up with the greens. Travel over the QC is still a pain, they may as well have forgone the higher 70mph limit and just reinstated the 50mph limit as per the FRB. There's no logical reason for traffic to be doing 50 over the bridge at 10pm, and this was without any of the ongoing punchlist items of roadworks to disrupt the traffic.

I presume the pool you were at during the weekend is a public pool? Run by whichever local council has no doubt seen funding constrained and diverted due to the SNP's council tax freeze. If there's not enough money available in the pot to keep the maintenance up to date then yes, I'd say you could tell the girl's father that it's the SG's fault.

[Evercross]

csd19 said:

I just find it strange that the SNP would choose to hamstring themselves severely by hooking up with the greens.

D'you know, I think you have just tapped into something there. It has always puzzled me why the Greens support Scottish independence because pretty much for the last three decades the SNP have made it about exploiting oil wealth.

I don't think the Greens give a st about independence but they have realised that, because Nippy and Salmond before her burnt their bridges with other potential coalition/confidence and supply partners, all they have to do is pretend they support independence and it gives them access to power that they could only otherwise dream of given their miserly vote share.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Getting this thread back on track and away from the Question Time thread (Thorodins last post on it was excellent though).

The UK is a Nation of Unions (not a union of nations)..... This is a very interesting read, the sort of argument that would
have Nicola grinding her teeth very angrily if she even dared to read it.

https://www.aforceforgood.uk/single-post/2018/12/1...

[Alpacaman]

Careful what you say, you don't want to end up the SNP database-

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=578322886083803

I wonder how many of us are already on there for daring not to agree with them?

[jsc15]

Sorry for the link to The Sun, but it seems the Sturgeon rumours have been getting more attention and she's now denying "gossip", despite an apparent injunction preventing anyone saying what that gossip is...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5290002/nico...

[Pastor Of Muppets]

jsc15 said:

Sorry for the link to The Sun, but it seems the Sturgeon rumours have been getting more attention and she's now denying "gossip", despite an apparent injunction preventing anyone saying what that gossip is...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5290002/nico...

One thing that cannot be denied whatsoever.... The face fits.

[Gecko1978]

why would it matter if it were true. I don't get it but I do get her not wanting every news conference to ask her about her sex life. I suspect its BS and this from someone who thinks the SNP are akin to UKIP, I still think her private life while not hurting others should be private.

Alex Salmond on the other hand...he is well an truly fked

[amusingduck]

Gecko1978 said:

why would it matter if it were true. I don't get it but I do get her not wanting every news conference to ask her about her sex life. I suspect its BS and this from someone who thinks the SNP are akin to UKIP, I still think her private life while not hurting others should be private.

Alex Salmond on the other hand...he is well an truly fked

Because the SNP champion LGBT+ issues but their leader can't even admit to being a part of that group? What message does it send to them?

[Big Easy]

Alpacaman said:

Careful what you say, you don't want to end up the SNP database-

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=578322886083803

I wonder how many of us are already on there for daring not to agree with them?

I was wondering why this thread had been a bit quiet the last couple of days.

[irc]

Edinburger said:

No. You've misunderstood.

The bridge is too lanes (plus hard shoulder) because the Greens would only support the SNP and vote for the bridge if they were given assurance that there would not be a third lane.

Not true. When parliament voted on the bill for the bridge only 3 MSPs voted againt it. They didn't need the support of the Greens.

http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/r...

Transport Scotland and Amey, the bridge operators say the solution to the congestion on the Queensferry Crossing is not to use it. Seriously.


" the best way to ease the traffic congestion on the bridge was not to use it – and take the bus or train instead. "

https://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/18165993.que...

The existing Forth Road Bridge was 2 lanes each way and was built in the 1960s when traffic levels were far lower. The to decision build a replacement bridge when traffic levels were far higher and not make it 3 lanes each way was a political decision. Our rulers want us to drive less and use public transport.

So if anyone sitting in the peaK hour queues to get on ther bridge voted SNP? No point complaining you keep voting them back in despite them making hash of building roads, bridges, hospitals etc.

Technical contruction details can be blamed on advisers. Not increasing bridge capacity. When the old bridge was clearly over capacity then not increasing capacity was a political choice.

Edited by irc on Tuesday 18th February 13:04

Edited by irc on Tuesday 18th February 13:06

[Evercross]

amusingduck said:

Gecko1978 said:

why would it matter if it were true. I don't get it but I do get her not wanting every news conference to ask her about her sex life. I suspect its BS and this from someone who thinks the SNP are akin to UKIP, I still think her private life while not hurting others should be private.

Because the SNP champion LGBT+ issues but their leader can't even admit to being a part of that group? What message does it send to them?

Indeed!

Coupled with the fact that her 'husband' is the SNP's CEO makes it all look very sleazy.

The Sun said:

Gossip about Ms Sturgeon has been circulating for several years in political circles and on social media. But the claims - which her top aides have been aware of - have intensified in recent months.

Second prong in Joanna Cherry's leadership coup activated!

The timing of these leaks/gossip/news stories is just too good to be co-incidental. Political commentators (Laird, Galloway to name but two) have been dropping hints for months that there is a bombshell heading the SNP's way. Could Salmond be prepared to throw Nicola under the bus by demonstrating she is untrustworthy as part of his defence.....?!

Timeline: The Alex Salmond investigation

BBC said:

July 18 - A third phone call takes place between Ms Sturgeon and Mr Salmond. She later says this is the last time she spoke to him.

August 22 - Mr Salmond is informed that the government inquiry is complete. Ms Evans tells him and Ms Sturgeon that she intends to make the fact of the complaints public.

There is an interesting event that takes place between these two dates that I don't want to mention here for legal reasons, but Google is your friend.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 18th February 15:02

[technodup]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

jsc15 said:

Sorry for the link to The Sun, but it seems the Sturgeon rumours have been getting more attention and she's now denying "gossip", despite an apparent injunction preventing anyone saying what that gossip is...

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5290002/nico...

One thing that cannot be denied whatsoever.... The face fits.

I like the way she's claiming she was hit on by men in her 20s. Does she think we don't remember what she looked like in her 20s?



Form an orderly queue guys.

[hutchst]

Safer just to send her some suggestive texts.