Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[hidetheelephants]

Merkel is known as Mutti but I'm not aware of her pushing this as an epithet, it's a creation of her voters or possibly the press; this bizarre paternalism is just weird.

[hutchst]

csd19 said:

I see that despite all the teeth-gnashing and wailing about quarantine for passengers arriving in Scotland, Asda Jeannie had admitted nothing has been done with test and trace in the last 4 weeks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

But whose fault is it?

[stitched]

G_Morto said:

stitched said:

I don't usually come into this strange little corner, could someone with more experience translate this please?

It’s really not my problem if you’re illiterate. Evercross is a teacher I think so he’ll be more likely to help you there.

Are you the one that has an uncle that was a student of Churchill? Yet you don’t know what being presented with a white feather represents?

How disappointing.

Oh I manage literature quite well thanks, only other things I struggle with are some of Spike Milligans offerings, probably why I struggled a bit with your drivel.
No uncle of mine was a student of Churchill, must be another poster.
And the white feather reference was really the only bit I got, not the context however.

[Alpacaman]

For those on here that think, despite the evidence to the contrary, that Ms. Sturgeon is doing a good job this article explains how the SNP are carefully managing things to give you this impression.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/what-has-sco...

Anyone who still thinks the SNP is not politicising this crisis has been utterly fooled by them.

[Roderick Spode]

For those who think the nutters demonstrating at Berwick had absolutely nothing to do with the SNP & the FM, here's a few cosy pictures of the FM with the main lunatics.



Also the arch lunatic Manky Welsh Dave (of Bridges for Indy notoriety) claiming on social media that this event had the FM's endorsement...



Finally, Manky Dave responds to Humza Yousless being wheeled out as the sacrificial stooge, calling the demonstrators racists and morons. It's all going to get rather entertaining I feel. At this point the FM either needs to come out and condemn them, or her silence will be accepted as tacit endorsement.

https://twitter.com/bridgesforindy/status/12800946...

[anonymous-user]

Alpacaman said:

For those on here that think, despite the evidence to the contrary, that Ms. Sturgeon is doing a good job this article explains how the SNP are carefully managing things to give you this impression.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/what-has-sco...

Anyone who still thinks the SNP is not politicising this crisis has been utterly fooled by them.

Read like a facebook post. That's journalism today?

I remain fooled.

[biggbn]

stitched said:

Oh I manage literature quite well thanks, only other things I struggle with are some of Spike Milligans offerings, probably why I struggled a bit with your drivel.
No uncle of mine was a student of Churchill, must be another poster.
And the white feather reference was really the only bit I got, not the context however.

Please do not compare anything written on here to Spike's musings. Anyone who has 'I told you I was ill' on his gravestone is alright by me.

[technodup]

Roderick Spode said:

For those who think the nutters demonstrating at Berwick had absolutely nothing to do with the SNP & the FM, here's a few cosy pictures of the FM with the main lunatics.

I'm slightly disappointed it wasn't the Scottish Resistance, they're usually good for a laugh at their futile PR stunts.

[Lotobear]

I still can't understand how these types are tolerated ("aw, it's just noble 'civic nationalism' yer wee bawbag") - you could just imagine how a similar situation would be portrayed by our media on the English side.

I'm a border dweller (England) but now thinking it might be best if they did vote for independence - the proper type though; physical border, full fiscal disconnect, and all that.

There's a palpable sense of not being welcome over the border and whilst I love the country and most of the Scots I've met (solid, proud, ingenious, folk mostly) I now really do think twice about heading over there for holidays, a day trip on the train up to Glasgow and the like.

Real shame the way it's turning out.

[Alpacaman]

sambucket said:

Alpacaman said:

For those on here that think, despite the evidence to the contrary, that Ms. Sturgeon is doing a good job this article explains how the SNP are carefully managing things to give you this impression.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/what-has-sco...

Anyone who still thinks the SNP is not politicising this crisis has been utterly fooled by them.

Read like a facebook post. That's journalism today?

I remain fooled.

So someone with 40 years experience of public relations explains the seven steps the SNP are using to give the appearance that she is doing a good job, when she clearly isn't, but you can't see it? Congratulations you are just the sort of person the SNP need.

[anonymous-user]

Alpacaman said:

So someone with 40 years experience of public relations explains the seven steps the SNP are using to give the appearance that she is doing a good job, when she clearly isn't, but you can't see it? Congratulations you are just the sort of person the SNP need.

It’s not clear if SNP is limited to any ‘type’ any more. They’ve crossed the aisles?

If the strategy of the opposition doesn’t adapt to this reality and diversity from this ‘everything is nationalist’ line, are they really going to win back ground? I think the world has moved on in many ways. And everyone, the SNP and the opposition, needs to move on too.

There is only many times these argument can be trotted out before eye glaze over. At some point the battle turns to actual governance. And the polls seem pretty clear in that regard, that the country would have the SNP in charge.

Do you honestly think this is a serious article though? And not a hack piece designed to titillate the cockles of a 'certain type' too? the only thing separating this article from a facebook post, is rofl emogies. It was the shouty caps already.

The Scotsman said:

The second is that in shaping the public’s perception EVERYTHING is political – even though it must be stated ad nauseam that nothing is political. The denial that it is political is in itself a political statement.

And the closing line....

The Scotsman said:

These principles explain why Sturgeon is riding high, but, as Alex Salmond might tell her, the higher one rises the greater the potential fall.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 6th July 15:20

[Roderick Spode]

Alpacaman said:

So someone with 40 years experience of public relations explains the seven steps the SNP are using to give the appearance that she is doing a good job, when she clearly isn't, but you can't see it? Congratulations you are just the sort of person the SNP need.

Proves the effectiveness of the SNP PR machine and their army of spin doctors, all paid for with £1m of public money. They know their most fanatical followers will vote for them no matter what - this is a carefully orchestrated media campaign to appeal to the sensible swing voters of middle Scotland. Just like they did in the 2019 election, when they played on the EU factor by proclaiming they could 'Stop Brexit'. Expect their (perceived) pandemic response to be heavily played up in the campaigning for Holyrood 2021.

[Evercross]

sambucket said:

It’s not clear if SNP is limited to any ‘type’ any more. They’ve crossed the aisles?

A new strand to the narrative - another groundless soundbite being repeated until it becomes ingrained as a truth. In a week or two it will be self-referentially quoted but without the question mark, no doubt.

There is no evidence for it of course, just the results of three deliberately timed opinion polls that asked a different question but are being extrapolated to mean just about anything right now.

sambucket said:

a hack piece designed to titillate the cockles of a 'certain type'

Your words sam, and they reveal your true colours. Us and them, two tribes, yoons and snats, and all that. You talk about crossing aisles and then reveal why it could never happen. Nationalists are racists (call it what it is) and can never accept 'certain types' into their fold.

Roderick Spode said:

Just like they did in the 2019 election, when they played on the EU factor by proclaiming they could 'Stop Brexit'. Expect their (perceived) pandemic response to be heavily played up in the campaigning for Holyrood 2021.

Its the one thing the nationalist acolytes never allude to - that the SNP always poll at their best when they are talking about anything but independence.

As Nicola said - 'a vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence'. If she really means that then she should put it on the ballot papers and in the next manifesto.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 6th July 15:31

[anonymous-user]

Evercross said:

Its the one thing the nationalist acolytes never allude to - that the SNP always poll at their best when they are talking about anything but independence.

As Nicola said - 'a vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence'. If she really means that then she should put it on the ballot papers and in the next manifesto......

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 6th July 15:25

Everyone is constantly alluding to it

It's what many (not all of course) modern SNP supporters want! More diversity in the party. And this seems to be the way the wind is blowing.

You seem annoyed about this, as it screws with your narrative that SNP is a single issue party?

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 6th July 15:34

[Evercross]

sambucket said:

You seem annoyed about this, as it screws with your narrative that SNP is a single issue party?

Not my narrative m8 - party policy. It is in their constitution.

What annoys people is that Nicola constantly says voting SNP is not about independence then states SNP strength is a mandate for independence, sometimes in the same sentence.

sambucket said:

It's what many (not all of course) modern SNP supporters want! More diversity in the party. And this seems to be the way the wind is blowing.

Didn't even take two posts for the questionable assertion to be repeated, with a bit less doubt.

Next time you'll be stating it as fact.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 6th July 15:36

[anonymous-user]

Evercross said:

Not my narrative m8 - party policy. It is in their constitution.

What annoys people is that Nicola constantly says voting SNP is not about independence then states SNP strength is a mandate for it, sometimes in the same sentence.

It's possible to have more than one goal? It's possible even to have conflicting goals. If SNP win 72 seats vs the tories 20 next year, and represent such a large portion of society, this will become even more true?

[Evercross]

sambucket said:

It's possible even to have conflicting goals.

It is dishonest to have conflicting goals when you are stating them to different groups in order to win support. By definition one group is being lied to.

You have no problem with dishonesty?!

[anonymous-user]

Evercross said:

Didn't even take two posts for the questionable assertion to be repeated, with a bit less doubt.

Next time you'll be stating it as fact.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 6th July 15:36

What gives you confidence this assertion is false?

[Roderick Spode]

sambucket said:

What gives you confidence this assertion is false?

What are the 'aisles'? That pro-Union Tories are going to be voting SNP in 2021?

[anonymous-user]

Roderick Spode said:

What are the 'aisles'? That pro-Union Tories are going to be voting SNP in 2021?

If they hold your belief that FM would never take a referendum, and they approve of the governance otherwise, why not?

Where are the votes going if not to SNP?



Pandemic caveats already discussed, apply.