Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9
Discussion
Ridgemont said:
A.J.M said:
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18217581.nicol...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5257550/dere...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5257550/dere...
Herald said:
The 42-year-old is also said to have regularly enjoyed energetic evenings at nightclubs with young men.
Haha. Journalistic euphemism of the week.perhaps with the amount of sleaze prepast , present and just about to be made public the days of the SNP are numbered. As what happenned with the Major Govt the public just say "enough's enough".
Tony427 said:
What is more worrying, and could create problems for Crankie, is the suggetion by the Sun that her office tried to spike the story and asked fro proof and even the name of the 16 year old boy.
The SNP shot themselves in the foot and seriously soured their relationship with the media when mid-December last year they blanketed TV and press outlets with emails telling journalists how they should handle interviews with Conservative politicians in order to make them look bad (the implication of course being that the SNP were beyond reproach and a biased level of reporting was justified).It was a stupid, hubristic move on their part and they now reap what they sow.
Edinburger said:
I see the SNP have, quite rightly, been asked to remove “independence spending” from the budget. The budget outlined spend for independence referendum priorities for 2020/21 without specifying how much would be spent.
How can such ambiguity be in a budget proposal?
I think I speak for all 'yoons' here when I say l am really pleased that you agree that this should not be allowed to pass. You might consider this a tad hyperbolic 'burger, but could you agree that considering the 'entitled' way certain individuals within the Scottish Nationalist movement and the movement as a whole takes liberties with the resources and the voices of others because they believe they are pursuing what they see as a righteous cause rather than a political one that this is just an extension of that entitled attitude - ie. they genuinely cannot see what is wrong with what they are doing now?How can such ambiguity be in a budget proposal?
The problem is not that there should be no ambiguity of course. There should be no spending of public funds whatsoever on 'independence' as the current legal status of that issue is that it was rejected as a proposal in a legal referendum. 'Independence' is therefore currently a campaigning issue for any political party that wishes to continue or begin to propose it as a policy and so it is up to them how they spend their own party funds on such a campaign. That any party campaigning for independence happens to have their hands on public funds does not give them any right whatsoever to use that money to campaign.
If a referendum had been won and the money was earmarked for independence preparations then that would be a different matter, but that is not where Scotland is. Not even close.
Edited by Evercross on Monday 10th February 10:23
hutchst said:
I suspect they had one eye on legal costs if they decide to challenge the UK Government in court.
Sturgeon already knows that she is on to a loser with any legal challenge over the requirement of a Scotland Act s.30 dispensation both because of the legislation itself and the 2014 'Edinburgh Agreement'. It doesn't really get more clear-cut than that.It is why she has changed tactic from 'getting another referendum' to 'getting the power to have one at some point in the future'. She's wheedling for s.30 to be scrapped or re-written which would be a genuine constitutional crisis for the UK as it would swing the power vastly towards one devolved parliament at the expense of the other two and the UK as a whole, but Nicola is trying to soften the significance of it to make it sound like a reasonable and indeed rightful request. And so it seems, one trade union has fallen for her schtick, probably also motivated by the idea that 'if Boris is against it then we should be seen to be for it' while failing to appreciate the significant negative consequences for their members UK wide of what is being asked for.
Sturgeon should be told to FRO. and it should be broadcast to the UK as a whole why to do it would be the same as giving the London Mayor the power to set laws that affect the whole of the UK. S.30 is far too blunt an instrument to simply be handed to a vandal.
Bottom line is that she knows the end-game of this already ie. she will fail, but she has to plan the retreat as slowly as possible and make it look like she is trying in order to keep the activists motivated and that solid-but-sufficient minority of votes coming in. Her salary depends on it.
ETA - A timely article I just discovered on the very topic I have posted about today.
Scotsman said:
Every government and minister needs the constraints imposed by accountability. Otherwise, the arrogance – the sense of being able to get away with anything – just grows.
Critically, there is now a substantial minority in Scotland who do not care how many Health Boards are in crisis, how filthy our streets are, how many hundreds of millions are squandered on unbuilt ferries, what proportion of our children can read and write.
If that minority is substantial enough to produce a permanent hold on power, then why not be arrogant? Why not believe in one’s own invincibility?
Critically, there is now a substantial minority in Scotland who do not care how many Health Boards are in crisis, how filthy our streets are, how many hundreds of millions are squandered on unbuilt ferries, what proportion of our children can read and write.
If that minority is substantial enough to produce a permanent hold on power, then why not be arrogant? Why not believe in one’s own invincibility?
Edited by Evercross on Monday 10th February 11:08
amusingduck said:
Scrubs said:
LOL
Chris Musson
@ChrisMusson
BREAKING: European Commission has reported the SNP's Brexit Day Scotland/Europe loveheart projection onto the Berlaymont building in Brussels to the Belgian police because the Commission did not authorise it (via @nick_gutteridge
in Brussels)
Chris Musson
@ChrisMusson
BREAKING: European Commission has reported the SNP's Brexit Day Scotland/Europe loveheart projection onto the Berlaymont building in Brussels to the Belgian police because the Commission did not authorise it (via @nick_gutteridge
in Brussels)
Another day another SNP total failure. It's seriously looking like 2020 is going to be their Annus horribilis, next up....a wee appointment
in March, just round the corner, scary times ahead for some.
Deceit and lies are what the SNP thrive on, it staggers me that they appear to get away with it, look at this comment she
made about the graffiti projected onto the building.....
Sturgeon wrote: “The EU Commission building in Brussels tonight (and if you look carefully you’ll see that they do appear to have left a light on for us!)”.
However, it later emerged that the light show was arranged and paid for by the SNP and had nothing to do with the Commission.
It was put on by Edinburgh-based Double Take Projections.
The European Commission has now confirmed the matter is with the police.
Yet again, the SNP causing Scotland significant embarrassment at home and abroad, absolute rogues.
made about the graffiti projected onto the building.....
Sturgeon wrote: “The EU Commission building in Brussels tonight (and if you look carefully you’ll see that they do appear to have left a light on for us!)”.
However, it later emerged that the light show was arranged and paid for by the SNP and had nothing to do with the Commission.
It was put on by Edinburgh-based Double Take Projections.
The European Commission has now confirmed the matter is with the police.
Yet again, the SNP causing Scotland significant embarrassment at home and abroad, absolute rogues.
Evercross said:
Meanwhile - the lunatic fringe of the SNP is still thriving.
That's f'kin unbelievable. To think not long ago the faithful in here were trying to convince us that the SNP is not rooted in hatred of the English.Incredible. And she'll carry on representing the good folk of Saltcats.
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Deceit and lies are what the SNP thrive on, it staggers me that they appear to get away with it, look at this comment she
made about the graffiti projected onto the building.....
Sturgeon wrote: “The EU Commission building in Brussels tonight (and if you look carefully you’ll see that they do appear to have left a light on for us!)”.
However, it later emerged that the light show was arranged and paid for by the SNP and had nothing to do with the Commission.
It was put on by Edinburgh-based Double Take Projections.
The European Commission has now confirmed the matter is with the police.
Yet again, the SNP causing Scotland significant embarrassment at home and abroad, absolute rogues.
Who commissioned this wee stunt, the government or the party?made about the graffiti projected onto the building.....
Sturgeon wrote: “The EU Commission building in Brussels tonight (and if you look carefully you’ll see that they do appear to have left a light on for us!)”.
However, it later emerged that the light show was arranged and paid for by the SNP and had nothing to do with the Commission.
It was put on by Edinburgh-based Double Take Projections.
The European Commission has now confirmed the matter is with the police.
Yet again, the SNP causing Scotland significant embarrassment at home and abroad, absolute rogues.
Who paid for it, the government or the party?
Any half decent opposition would have loads of fun with this at Holyrood.
hutchst said:
Who commissioned this wee stunt, the government or the party?
Who paid for it, the government or the party?
Any half decent opposition would have loads of fun with this at Holyrood.
That was exactly my first thought...Is this paid for by taxpayers?, It wouldn't surprise me, nothing would surpriseWho paid for it, the government or the party?
Any half decent opposition would have loads of fun with this at Holyrood.
me regarding the SNP, they would stoop to any level in pursuit of their utmost priority.
As you say a worthy opposition instead of the lame ducks we have at present would see the SNP in the gutter mingling
with the other Rattus norvegicus vermin, exactly where they belong.
Pastor Of Muppets said:
As you say a worthy opposition instead of the lame ducks we have at present would see the SNP in the gutter mingling
with the other Rattus norvegicus vermin, exactly where they belong.
what do you suggest? The SNP have slaughtered the main UK parties, all of whom nowadays seem sort of irrelevant in Scotland.with the other Rattus norvegicus vermin, exactly where they belong.
deadslow said:
The SNP have slaughtered the main UK parties, all of whom nowadays seem sort of irrelevant in Scotland.
No they haven't. They have just inherited the space vacated by Scottish Labour, and even then the SNP are not commanding the levels of support Labour did in their heydays.Pastor Of Muppets said:
Deceit and lies are what the SNP thrive on, it staggers me that they appear to get away with it, look at this comment she
made about the graffiti projected onto the building.....
Sturgeon wrote: “The EU Commission building in Brussels tonight (and if you look carefully you’ll see that they do appear to have left a light on for us!)”.
However, it later emerged that the light show was arranged and paid for by the SNP and had nothing to do with the Commission.
It was put on by Edinburgh-based Double Take Projections.
The European Commission has now confirmed the matter is with the police.
Yet again, the SNP causing Scotland significant embarrassment at home and abroad, absolute rogues.
Matter with the Police ? made about the graffiti projected onto the building.....
Sturgeon wrote: “The EU Commission building in Brussels tonight (and if you look carefully you’ll see that they do appear to have left a light on for us!)”.
However, it later emerged that the light show was arranged and paid for by the SNP and had nothing to do with the Commission.
It was put on by Edinburgh-based Double Take Projections.
The European Commission has now confirmed the matter is with the police.
Yet again, the SNP causing Scotland significant embarrassment at home and abroad, absolute rogues.
Jesus wept
The EU and the SNP deserve each other ffs
I’d have thought the Belgian Police would have better things to do than investigate someone shining a light on a building for a short time
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