Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[Roderick Spode]

A new ferry has arrived for the Pentland crossing, all the way from Vietnam, for a total cost of... *drum roll please*... £14 million pounds. Or roughly 10% of the cost of those two rusting abominations sitting down at Greenock, unfinished and never likely to see service.

https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/pentland...

[hutchst]

Edinburger said:

Why are you bringing me into this?

Whenever a tartan Chemical Ali is required, your name is always top of the list.

[Edinburger]

Roderick Spode said:

A new ferry has arrived for the Pentland crossing, all the way from Vietnam, for a total cost of... *drum roll please*... £14 million pounds. Or roughly 10% of the cost of those two rusting abominations sitting down at Greenock, unfinished and never likely to see service.

https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/pentland...

Pentland Ferries is a privately owned family company so what does this have to do with Scottish independence or the Scottish Government?

[Edinburger]

hutchst said:

Edinburger said:

Why are you bringing me into this?

Whenever a tartan Chemical Ali is required, your name is always top of the list.

Lovely.

if Laughing Boy behaves in real life as he does on this thread, he wouldn't be popular.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

In the middle of a pandemic with airborne transmission and infection spread through exposure to virus-containing respiratory droplets which can remain suspended in the air over long distances and time, do you think it's a good idea to have thousands of hoodwinked
SNP tribalists marching through the streets of Dundee?

[Edinburger]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

In the middle of a pandemic with airborne transmission and infection spread through exposure to virus-containing respiratory droplets which can remain suspended in the air over long distances and time, do you think it's a good idea to have thousands of hoodwinked
SNP tribalists marching through the streets of Dundee?

If that's aimed at me... then no, I absolutely do not think that's a good idea.

[Roderick Spode]

Edinburger said:

Roderick Spode said:

A new ferry has arrived for the Pentland crossing, all the way from Vietnam, for a total cost of... *drum roll please*... £14 million pounds. Or roughly 10% of the cost of those two rusting abominations sitting down at Greenock, unfinished and never likely to see service.

https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/pentland...

Pentland Ferries is a privately owned family company so what does this have to do with Scottish independence or the Scottish Government?

Thanks Burger, you have succinctly made my point for me. A private company sources and procures a brand new ferry for the princely sum of £14m. The shambolic and corrupt Scottish Government awards the Calmac contract to Ferguson's Yard at Greenock (the highest bidder), who just happen to be run by their mate Jim McColl, and to date it's cost us taxpayers £200m, with the ferries still years away from seaworthiness, if ever. It's an outrage. But hey, independence transcends everything.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Edinburger said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

In the middle of a pandemic with airborne transmission and infection spread through exposure to virus-containing respiratory droplets which can remain suspended in the air over long distances and time, do you think it's a good idea to have thousands of hoodwinked
SNP tribalists marching through the streets of Dundee?

If that's aimed at me... then no, I absolutely do not think that's a good idea.

Glad you see the utter lunacy of it, so why are they getting away with such a mass gathering?, no other group would
be allowed to perpetrate this level of complacent madness.

Sums up the corrupt and incompetent SNP and their band of followers.... We will do what we want, when we want, and
f... anyone that gets in our way.

Imbeciles.

[hidetheelephants]

Edinburger said:

Roderick Spode said:

A new ferry has arrived for the Pentland crossing, all the way from Vietnam, for a total cost of... *drum roll please*... £14 million pounds. Or roughly 10% of the cost of those two rusting abominations sitting down at Greenock, unfinished and never likely to see service.

https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/pentland...

Pentland Ferries is a privately owned family company so what does this have to do with Scottish independence or the Scottish Government?

A ferry has been delivered more or less on time and budget to a ferry operator in Scotland; the contrast is dazzling, especially when Pentland placed their order well after the greatly lauded order was placed with FMEL to much fanfare and PR hoopla. The tumbleweed in Holyrood can be heard from Clydeside.

[Roderick Spode]

hidetheelephants said:

Edinburger said:

Roderick Spode said:

A new ferry has arrived for the Pentland crossing, all the way from Vietnam, for a total cost of... *drum roll please*... £14 million pounds. Or roughly 10% of the cost of those two rusting abominations sitting down at Greenock, unfinished and never likely to see service.

https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/pentland...

Pentland Ferries is a privately owned family company so what does this have to do with Scottish independence or the Scottish Government?

A ferry has been delivered more or less on time and budget to a ferry operator in Scotland; the contrast is dazzling, especially when Pentland placed their order well after the greatly lauded order was placed with FMEL to much fanfare and PR hoopla. The tumbleweed in Holyrood can be heard from Clydeside.

Nothing to see here. Independence transcends everything. The SNP can do no wrong, and Narnia Pete is honest and competent.

[thewarlock]

hidetheelephants said:

Edinburger said:

Roderick Spode said:

A new ferry has arrived for the Pentland crossing, all the way from Vietnam, for a total cost of... *drum roll please*... £14 million pounds. Or roughly 10% of the cost of those two rusting abominations sitting down at Greenock, unfinished and never likely to see service.

https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/pentland...

Pentland Ferries is a privately owned family company so what does this have to do with Scottish independence or the Scottish Government?

A ferry has been delivered more or less on time and budget to a ferry operator in Scotland; the contrast is dazzling, especially when Pentland placed their order well after the greatly lauded order was placed with FMEL to much fanfare and PR hoopla. The tumbleweed in Holyrood can be heard from Clydeside.

I'd also add that this new vessel, MV Alfred, won Ship of the Year by Cruise & Ferry Review, it's not some cheap generic far east design, it's a British design, specifically engineered for the route and conditions it will experience.

The Ferguson's fiasco isn't entirely any one parties fault, the designer was not the builder, which caused issues for which both parties should be held responsible, as well as the Scottish government propping the whole thing up.

[irc]

Edinburger said:

In the middle of a pandemic with airborne transmission and infection spread through exposure to virus-containing respiratory droplets which can remain suspended in the air over long distances and time, do you think it's a good idea to have thousands of kids chapping doors on Saturday?

If they are visiting the homes of friends where other young children live Who they see at school, anyway and where the parents are young adults at minimal risk then yes I do.

Do I suggest guisers visit old folks homes? No. Seem to recall it was govt policy that seeded the infections there by untested hospital realease.

[Evercross]

irc said:

Seem to recall it was govt policy that seeded the infections there by untested hospital release.

Which Nicoliar is now claiming she knew nothing about (her standard defence these days - play ignorant).

There is of course a certain amount of plausible deniability there, although the dodgy advice documents didn't delete themselves.

[irc]

Evercross said:

irc said:

Seem to recall it was govt policy that seeded the infections there by untested hospital release.

Which Nicoliar is now claiming she knew nothing about (her standard defence these days - play ignorant).

There is of course a certain amount of plausible deniability there, although the dodgy advice documents didn't delete themselves.

If setting targets for discharging patients into care homes isn't govt policy then what is? And in one party state Scotland I suspect top level managers of all govt depts and national organisations have learned live is easier if you don't get on the wrong side of the SNP. After all this is a govt which goes as far as micromanaging how shops market their beef.

"The letter from Ms Freeman to NHS bosses reveals they had been asked to hit a target of clearing 900 delayed discharges out of hospital by the end of April before she goes on to thank them for making “tremendous progress” after they moved 920 patients out by April 8.
The “challenging” target cited in the letter can be revealed today, days after First Minister Nicola Sturgeon denied ministers had been involved in the process "


https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/leaked-letter-reveal...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/15/ni...

Edited by irc on Monday 26th October 12:48

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

technodup said:

Deathmole said:

She's not going anywhere, check her approval ratings out...

Public approval ratings count for st when your party members turn on you.

Any evidence of that?

Parties choose their leader, not the public.

When was the last time you heard Sturgeon trot out the '2nd biggest party in the UK" line? Long time ago. Membership is falling (and hence the coffers are empty). The Wings/Salmond/Cherry faction(s) are entirely disinterested in her approval ratings (or her woke contingent) and want her out as she's not pushing the indy cause hard enough. I don't have a lot of time for the fat prick in Bath but he's like a dog with a bone and he's not letting go re finding the smoking gun that forces her to quit. The comments tell you the current dissatisfaction with the leadership situation. All is not rosy in camp SNP.

[hidetheelephants]

thewarlock said:

I'd also add that this new vessel, MV Alfred, won Ship of the Year by Cruise & Ferry Review, it's not some cheap generic far east design, it's a British design, specifically engineered for the route and conditions it will experience.

The Ferguson's fiasco isn't entirely any one parties fault, the designer was not the builder, which caused issues for which both parties should be held responsible, as well as the Scottish government propping the whole thing up.

I quite agree, there's plenty of blame to share among all parties to the fiasco, it's the biggest procurement scandal in the short history of the scottish government; there ought to be a public inquiry about it lead by a judge, not the pretendy inquiry in Holyrood with no power to compel testimony. While we're at it it's clear ferry provision is serving the public very badly and there needs to be a full review of how that is run and new vessels specified.

[Roderick Spode]

Speaking of the Reverend in Bath, his latest missive is rather interesting. Corruption and (alleged) vote rigging right to the top.

Article said:

Malcolm was then told that their two friends’ votes had been added to the ballot, nine hours after it had supposedly closed.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/stuffing-the-ballots/#more-119901

Edited by Roderick Spode on Monday 26th October 15:49

[irc]

Roderick Spode said:

Speaking of the Reverend in Bath, his latest missive is rather interesting. Corruption and (alleged) vote rigging right to the top.

Article said:

Malcolm was then told that their two friends’ votes had been added to the ballot, nine hours after it had supposedly closed.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/stuffing-the-ballots/#more-119901

Edited by Roderick Spode on Monday 26th October 15:49

Lot of unhappy people in the comments there. No wonder. If those e-mails are genuine and votes were added after polling had closed it is just corruption. What other vinternal elections have been modified after close of voting?

Comments like this s ort of thing.

"ahundredthidiot says:
26 October, 2020 at 3:15 pm

I spoke with my boy and his mates the other day – all, bar one, previously voted Yes and SNP.
In May, none of them are voting……….bar one."

[Edinburger]

Roderick Spode said:

Edinburger said:

Roderick Spode said:

A new ferry has arrived for the Pentland crossing, all the way from Vietnam, for a total cost of... *drum roll please*... £14 million pounds. Or roughly 10% of the cost of those two rusting abominations sitting down at Greenock, unfinished and never likely to see service.

https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/pentland...

Pentland Ferries is a privately owned family company so what does this have to do with Scottish independence or the Scottish Government?

Thanks Burger, you have succinctly made my point for me. A private company sources and procures a brand new ferry for the princely sum of £14m. The shambolic and corrupt Scottish Government awards the Calmac contract to Ferguson's Yard at Greenock (the highest bidder), who just happen to be run by their mate Jim McColl, and to date it's cost us taxpayers £200m, with the ferries still years away from seaworthiness, if ever. It's an outrage. But hey, independence transcends everything.

Good point well made, Roders.

[Edinburger]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Edinburger said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

In the middle of a pandemic with airborne transmission and infection spread through exposure to virus-containing respiratory droplets which can remain suspended in the air over long distances and time, do you think it's a good idea to have thousands of hoodwinked
SNP tribalists marching through the streets of Dundee?

If that's aimed at me... then no, I absolutely do not think that's a good idea.

Glad you see the utter lunacy of it, so why are they getting away with such a mass gathering?, no other group would
be allowed to perpetrate this level of complacent madness.

Sums up the corrupt and incompetent SNP and their band of followers.... We will do what we want, when we want, and
f... anyone that gets in our way.

Imbeciles.

Outrageous. I agree - imbeciles.

Note that's not an SNP event. It's the All Under One Banner group.