Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[Edinburger]

Roderick Spode said:

hidetheelephants said:

Edinburger said:

Roderick Spode said:

A new ferry has arrived for the Pentland crossing, all the way from Vietnam, for a total cost of... *drum roll please*... £14 million pounds. Or roughly 10% of the cost of those two rusting abominations sitting down at Greenock, unfinished and never likely to see service.

https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/pentland...

Pentland Ferries is a privately owned family company so what does this have to do with Scottish independence or the Scottish Government?

A ferry has been delivered more or less on time and budget to a ferry operator in Scotland; the contrast is dazzling, especially when Pentland placed their order well after the greatly lauded order was placed with FMEL to much fanfare and PR hoopla. The tumbleweed in Holyrood can be heard from Clydeside.

Nothing to see here. Independence transcends everything. The SNP can do no wrong, and Narnia Pete is honest and competent.

To be fair, that's your interpretation of events: that's not fact.

[Edinburger]

irc said:

Edinburger said:

In the middle of a pandemic with airborne transmission and infection spread through exposure to virus-containing respiratory droplets which can remain suspended in the air over long distances and time, do you think it's a good idea to have thousands of kids chapping doors on Saturday?

If they are visiting the homes of friends where other young children live Who they see at school, anyway and where the parents are young adults at minimal risk then yes I do.

Do I suggest guisers visit old folks homes? No. Seem to recall it was govt policy that seeded the infections there by untested hospital realease.

Where I live, loads and loads of kids go guising. Usually I'll have scores of kids at my door - and not all from the same schools or clubs.

So yes, I'd say guising is a very big risk which is why the public have been encouraged to drop it this year..

[Edinburger]

irc said:

Evercross said:

irc said:

Seem to recall it was govt policy that seeded the infections there by untested hospital release.

Which Nicoliar is now claiming she knew nothing about (her standard defence these days - play ignorant).

There is of course a certain amount of plausible deniability there, although the dodgy advice documents didn't delete themselves.

If setting targets for discharging patients into care homes isn't govt policy then what is? And in one party state Scotland I suspect top level managers of all govt depts and national organisations have learned live is easier if you don't get on the wrong side of the SNP. After all this is a govt which goes as far as micromanaging how shops market their beef.

"The letter from Ms Freeman to NHS bosses reveals they had been asked to hit a target of clearing 900 delayed discharges out of hospital by the end of April before she goes on to thank them for making “tremendous progress” after they moved 920 patients out by April 8.
The “challenging” target cited in the letter can be revealed today, days after First Minister Nicola Sturgeon denied ministers had been involved in the process "


https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/leaked-letter-reveal...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/15/ni...

Edited by irc on Monday 26th October 12:48

Is the Scottish Government the only government who discharged patients into care homes?

There will be a big review into actions taken by the SG during this crisis. Inevitably, lessons will be learned and there will be examples of good practice and examples of mistakes made. This epidemic is unchartered territory. Look forward, not back.

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

Edinburger said:

technodup said:

Deathmole said:

She's not going anywhere, check her approval ratings out...

Public approval ratings count for st when your party members turn on you.

Any evidence of that?

Parties choose their leader, not the public.

When was the last time you heard Sturgeon trot out the '2nd biggest party in the UK" line? Long time ago. Membership is falling (and hence the coffers are empty). The Wings/Salmond/Cherry faction(s) are entirely disinterested in her approval ratings (or her woke contingent) and want her out as she's not pushing the indy cause hard enough. I don't have a lot of time for the fat prick in Bath but he's like a dog with a bone and he's not letting go re finding the smoking gun that forces her to quit. The comments tell you the current dissatisfaction with the leadership situation. All is not rosy in camp SNP.

So in other words, you have no evidence that party members are turning on Mrs Sturgeon.

[Evercross]

Edinburger said:

So in other words, you have no evidence that party members are turning on Mrs Sturgeon.

Once again you are being obtuse.

Kenny MacAskill is a party member, and his regular blog on WoS regularly criticises Nicola Sturgeon, and he has called on several occasions for Peter Murrell to be suspended from his role as CEO.

Joanna Cherry is a party member and has made clear her feelings on the interference in her application for selection for Holyrood 2021 candidacy.

This and other evidence has been linked to time and time again in these threads and is subject to much reporting in the media. Your inability/refusal to engage with it does not mean it does not exist.

And then you wonder why I have zero respect for you Edinburger - you are an idiot, pure and simple.

[Roderick Spode]

Edinburger said:

So in other words, you have no evidence that party members are turning on Mrs Sturgeon.

There are a great many voices speaking out against the Sturgeon/Murrell axis, many of whom have been documented here. When high profile party members are speaking out against the ruling junta, it's significant.

[hutchst]

Roderick Spode said:

There are a great many voices speaking out against the Sturgeon/Murrell axis, many of whom have been documented here. When high profile party members are speaking out against the ruling junta, it's significant.

[Burger] You can't prove that. Their accounts could have been hacked by the Russians[/Burger]

[irc]

Edinburger said:

Is the Scottish Government the only government who discharged patients into care homes?

There will be a big review into actions taken by the SG during this crisis. Inevitably, lessons will be learned and there will be examples of good practice and examples of mistakes made. This epidemic is unchartered territory. Look forward, not back.

Sometimes it's worth looking back. So we don't forget the line of thought in the SNP that viewed deaths of old people as a likely "gain" since they weren't likely to be indy voters.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18734202.angus...

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

So in other words, you have no evidence that party members are turning on Mrs Sturgeon.

Members aren't leaving because they like what she's doing. Members haven't set up a group called SNP Members for Independence because they believe she wants another referendum. Members aren't backing Salmond or Cherry in their endeavours because they want more Sturgeon.

Every political leader has a shelf life. She's fast approaching her best before date.

[Evercross]

technodup said:

She's fast approaching her best before date.

I think she passed that a wee while ago.

It's the 'Use By' date she is approaching.

irc said:

Sometimes it's worth looking back. So we don't forget the line of thought in the SNP that viewed deaths of old people as a likely "gain" since they weren't likely to be indy voters.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18734202.angus...

Angus Robertson - the next leader of the SNP - their Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings rolled into one.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 26th October 19:47

[irc]

Another £52 million splurged by the SNP.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18820310.revea...

A few million here and there soon adds up to real money.

£52M could have bought 3 ferries at private Caithness prices.

More on the ferries shambles here. Seems the ferries were too big for the routes making them more expensive to operate. As for the decision to make them dual fuel? Ideological and tinkering at the edges of an CO2/pollution issue while adding complication and expense. THey were also too big for existing ports meaning yet more expense adapting port facilities.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18820291.anger...

[malks222]

seems like edinburgh is going to start in ‘tier 3’ in the new system. which means hospitality taking a kicking for even longer- no indoor or outdoor booze!!!

but surely that means glasgow and the lanarkshire’s should be starting in tier 4?!?

[hidetheelephants]

Because of the rules governing dual fuel propulsion the Glen Sannox will spend perhaps 30% of its running time on gas, the rest on diesel; total waste of money.

[irc]

malks222 said:

seems like edinburgh is going to start in ‘tier 3’ in the new system. which means hospitality taking a kicking for even longer- no indoor or outdoor booze!!!

but surely that means glasgow and the lanarkshire’s should be starting in tier 4?!?

What I would like to know is why Lanarkshire is so high. Does Covid react with Buckfast?

[alangla]

irc said:

What I would like to know is why Lanarkshire is so high. Does Covid react with Buckfast?

Did they not avoid the worst of it in the spring? Inverclyde got hit fairly hard early on & now looks fairly clear. Which must be a real comfort to restauranteurs and publicans in Greenock.

[hiccy18]

irc said:

What I would like to know is why Lanarkshire is so high. Does Covid react with Buckfast?

First thought is pub but, taking the question seriously for a moment, it's prime commuter belt, lots of reasonably priced newer housing near schooling and jobs.

[Leithen]

Well, duh.

Lanarkshire is prime staycation territory for the English.

Obviously.

[hiccy18]

Leithen said:

Well, duh.

Lanarkshire is prime staycation territory for the English.

Obviously.

Yeah and that

[Roderick Spode]

Leithen said:

Well, duh.

Lanarkshire is prime staycation territory for the English.

Obviously.

It's all they diseased English invaders crossing the border, ignoring the flag waving lunatics at Ecclefechan, and coming up the A74 in their COVID ridden campervans, stopping at Abington and spreading the plague to the locals. It's all the fault of the English.

[Deathmole]

Tier 2 for Aberdeen