Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[hutchst]

But there are 2 types of wuckfittery, there's the type that lets you open the pubs at the end of a short sharp lockdown, and there's the type that lets you add an extra week of short sharp lockdown half way through a 16 day short sharp lockdown (before you have actually received any reliable results of the impact of the first week, due to the incubation period), and then still not open the pubs at the end of the short sharp lockdown and the short sharp extension to the short sharp lockdown.

[Evercross]

biggbn said:

It is all rather pathetic isn't it?

No, because of the following...

Evercross said:

That (Edinburger) choose to ignore and dismiss what is the government record is the reason I call (him) stupid, for there can be no stronger evidence than that. If (he) fails to realise that then (he is) hopelessly inept and fundamentally ill-equipped to comment on such matters, and through (his) ineptitude tacitly support the incompetence of people charged to serve (him) and the public at large yet by their failings cause loss and death.

I should have said above 'incompetence, mendacity and duplicity of people charged to serve'. The utterly deplorable way Nicola Sturgeon has attempted to wriggle out of responsibility for several key issues lately - the care home scandal being just the latest - is deplorable, and anyone refusing to cast even the slightest critical scrutiny on her behaviour is complicit in allowing her and her ilk to continue to do what they do.

[technodup]

Leaders at war https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...
Missing money https://wingsoverscotland.com/youve-been-robbed/
Membership down https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-whole-rotten-str...

Tick tock...

[hotchy]

hutchst said:

But there are 2 types of wuckfittery, there's the type that lets you open the pubs at the end of a short sharp lockdown, and there's the type that lets you add an extra week of short sharp lockdown half way through a 16 day short sharp lockdown (before you have actually received any reliable results of the impact of the first week, due to the incubation period), and then still not open the pubs at the end of the short sharp lockdown and the short sharp extension to the short sharp lockdown.

If anyone actually believed the pubs would open after the initial 16 days was mad. I thought they'd learn after the first 3 week national lockdown that never really ended 7 months on. The weather was good then so people enjoyed it. I'm sure a fuss will be kicked up shortly realising they cant enjoy the garden in the hail and freezing temperatures. One good thing could transpire though, snp loose the next vote. Fingers crossed.

[Starfighter]

hotchy said:

(Snip)
One good thing could transpire though, snp loose the next vote. Fingers crossed.

Sadly the “loose ” being planned is more along the lines of an “Oops, we forgot the hold a vote because Covid” rather than the door slapping her arse on the way out of Holyrood.

[Parsnip]

Evercross said:

biggbn said:

It is all rather pathetic isn't it?

No, because of the following...

Evercross said:

That (Edinburger) choose to ignore and dismiss what is the government record is the reason I call (him) stupid, for there can be no stronger evidence than that. If (he) fails to realise that then (he is) hopelessly inept and fundamentally ill-equipped to comment on such matters, and through (his) ineptitude tacitly support the incompetence of people charged to serve (him) and the public at large yet by their failings cause loss and death.

I should have said above 'incompetence, mendacity and duplicity of people charged to serve'. The utterly deplorable way Nicola Sturgeon has attempted to wriggle out of responsibility for several key issues lately - the care home scandal being just the latest - is deplorable, and anyone refusing to cast even the slightest critical scrutiny on her behaviour is complicit in allowing her and her ilk to continue to do what they do.

This thread really does highlight all that I despise about the shoutier ends of both sides of the "aye/naw" debate - noone comes out of it looking good. "Winning" an internet argument is up there with celebrating a win in the dad's race at sports day - you might think you are a winner, everyone else thinks you are a loser.

Plenty of me and my friends disagree on politics - I am an English born Tory voter who went to a private school. Some of my friends I would classify as border line Communists. Do you imagine we agree on politics? Do we argue about it in the pub, or because we are mates (scratch that, not because we are mates, but because we are not obnoxious, adenoidal oafs), do we respect each other's opinions and argue about things which are much more important like etap vs Di2

This thread (and to be honest, much of NP&E) could do with a second button once you click submit that says "are you sure? Would you speak like this in real life?" prior to a "contribution"

[Evercross]

Parsnip said:

quite a lot

Point missed m8.

Edinburger has a consistent and long-standing pattern of behaviour that gives cause to believe he is not being honest as to his affiliation with the SNP, and indeed a certain faction within that party. His posting pattern suggests he is being directed or has an agenda.

The vehement denial of growing evidence regarding a particular party leader and their cabal is truly telling. He uses the party language - often verbatim. He brings our attention to every squirrel raised by Nationalist factions to distract from the main news of the day.

Many have commented on it. The time has come for him to put up.

[biggbn]

Parsnip said:

Evercross said:

biggbn said:

It is all rather pathetic isn't it?

No, because of the following...

Evercross said:

That (Edinburger) choose to ignore and dismiss what is the government record is the reason I call (him) stupid, for there can be no stronger evidence than that. If (he) fails to realise that then (he is) hopelessly inept and fundamentally ill-equipped to comment on such matters, and through (his) ineptitude tacitly support the incompetence of people charged to serve (him) and the public at large yet by their failings cause loss and death.

I should have said above 'incompetence, mendacity and duplicity of people charged to serve'. The utterly deplorable way Nicola Sturgeon has attempted to wriggle out of responsibility for several key issues lately - the care home scandal being just the latest - is deplorable, and anyone refusing to cast even the slightest critical scrutiny on her behaviour is complicit in allowing her and her ilk to continue to do what they do.

This thread really does highlight all that I despise about the shoutier ends of both sides of the "aye/naw" debate - noone comes out of it looking good. "Winning" an internet argument is up there with celebrating a win in the dad's race at sports day - you might think you are a winner, everyone else thinks you are a loser.

Plenty of me and my friends disagree on politics - I am an English born Tory voter who went to a private school. Some of my friends I would classify as border line Communists. Do you imagine we agree on politics? Do we argue about it in the pub, or because we are mates (scratch that, not because we are mates, but because we are not obnoxious, adenoidal oafs), do we respect each other's opinions and argue about things which are much more important like etap vs Di2

This thread (and to be honest, much of NP&E) could do with a second button once you click submit that says "are you sure? Would you speak like this in real life?" prior to a "contribution"

:cheers:

[Welshbeef]

I do like burger we’ve had what 6 years of banter - if he is an SNP or not it doesn’t bother me one bit.

But I am at the polar opposite position to him/(or her) on pretty much everything that has ever been debated on the yes no debates.

[Evercross]

Very well observed concluding statement in this latest piece from Effie Deans.

Why does Humza Yousaf want to police what I say in private?

It rings very well with something I heard Neil Oliver say yesterday - that the sole motivation of politicians of any and every affiliation is to gain power and then to hold on to it. Humza Yousef is throwing the whole of Scotland's civil liberties under the bus simply to to appeal to a contingent of the vote traditionally inclined to support Labour (and who follow the particularly excellent IMO Anas Sarwar MSP).

[Edinburger]

Evercross said:

Parsnip said:

quite a lot

Point missed m8.

Edinburger has a consistent and long-standing pattern of behaviour that gives cause to believe he is not being honest as to his affiliation with the SNP, and indeed a certain faction within that party. His posting pattern suggests he is being directed or has an agenda.

The vehement denial of growing evidence regarding a particular party leader and their cabal is truly telling. He uses the party language - often verbatim. He brings our attention to every squirrel raised by Nationalist factions to distract from the main news of the day.

Many have commented on it. The time has come for him to put up.

I'm not sure whether I should be flattered or insulted about this so-called affiliation with the SNP!

Let me remind you:

1. I am not a SNP member.
2. I have never been a SNP member.
3. I don't agree with everything the SNP do.
4. I didn't vote for independence.
5. I haven't always voted SNP.
6. I work full time and have a busy life juggling a demanding job, family, coaching kids football and other commitments hence the "posting pattern".

Hope that helps.

[Edinburger]

Parsnip said:

Evercross said:

biggbn said:

It is all rather pathetic isn't it?

No, because of the following...

Evercross said:

That (Edinburger) choose to ignore and dismiss what is the government record is the reason I call (him) stupid, for there can be no stronger evidence than that. If (he) fails to realise that then (he is) hopelessly inept and fundamentally ill-equipped to comment on such matters, and through (his) ineptitude tacitly support the incompetence of people charged to serve (him) and the public at large yet by their failings cause loss and death.

I should have said above 'incompetence, mendacity and duplicity of people charged to serve'. The utterly deplorable way Nicola Sturgeon has attempted to wriggle out of responsibility for several key issues lately - the care home scandal being just the latest - is deplorable, and anyone refusing to cast even the slightest critical scrutiny on her behaviour is complicit in allowing her and her ilk to continue to do what they do.

This thread really does highlight all that I despise about the shoutier ends of both sides of the "aye/naw" debate - noone comes out of it looking good. "Winning" an internet argument is up there with celebrating a win in the dad's race at sports day - you might think you are a winner, everyone else thinks you are a loser.

Plenty of me and my friends disagree on politics - I am an English born Tory voter who went to a private school. Some of my friends I would classify as border line Communists. Do you imagine we agree on politics? Do we argue about it in the pub, or because we are mates (scratch that, not because we are mates, but because we are not obnoxious, adenoidal oafs), do we respect each other's opinions and argue about things which are much more important like etap vs Di2

This thread (and to be honest, much of NP&E) could do with a second button once you click submit that says "are you sure? Would you speak like this in real life?" prior to a "contribution"

I agree 100%. Well said.

Earlier volumes of this thread had a lot of good quality and very informative debate. It was really helpful in the run up to and the aftermath of the referendum. Most of the posters from those days have gone now, and this thread has turned into a SNP / Scottish Government / Scotland bashing thread. Shame really.

Do I get 'picked on'? Yes, I probably do. Do I care? Not a jot.

I try to be balanced with my posts but that's not always possible. Evercross and I clash. It's as simple as that.

[Edinburger]

Welshbeef said:

I do like burger we’ve had what 6 years of banter - if he is an SNP or not it doesn’t bother me one bit.

But I am at the polar opposite position to him/(or her) on pretty much everything that has ever been debated on the yes no debates.

Cheers Beefy!

I'm a him, by the way.

[alangla]

Anyone want a laugh? Page 5 of this document - https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/go... has the qualifying criteria and eventual tier categories for each local authority in Scotland. Have a read & try to figure out why North & South Lanarkshire are tier 3 & Aberdeen & Shire are Tier 2...

Edit - just read the detailed text - they tried to put Aberdeen in Tier 3!!

Edited by alangla on Thursday 29th October 14:49

[deadslow]

Evercross said:

Parsnip said:

quite a lot

Point missed m8.

Edinburger has a consistent and long-standing pattern of behaviour that gives cause to believe he is not being honest as to his affiliation with the SNP, and indeed a certain faction within that party. His posting pattern suggests he is being directed or has an agenda.

The vehement denial of growing evidence regarding a particular party leader and their cabal is truly telling. He uses the party language - often verbatim. He brings our attention to every squirrel raised by Nationalist factions to distract from the main news of the day.

Many have commented on it. The time has come for him to put up.

which party do you support. If you wont say, please give over with the above nonsense.

[malks222]

alangla said:

Anyone want a laugh? Page 5 of this document - https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/go... has the qualifying criteria and eventual tier categories for each local authority in Scotland. Have a read & try to figure out why North & South Lanarkshire are tier 3 & Aberdeen & Shire are Tier 2...

Edit - just read the detailed text - they tried to put Aberdeen in Tier 3 & Dundee in Tier 0 or 1!

Edited by alangla on Thursday 29th October 14:42

wtf?!?!? is there actually any correlation between the data and the tier each area?!?

lanarkshire’s- all 4’s = level 3
edinburgh- 2 + 3+0+0+0= level 3

[lothianJim]

malks222 said:

wtf?!?!? is there actually any correlation between the data and the tier each area?!?

lanarkshire’s- all 4’s = level 3
edinburgh- 2 + 3+0+0+0= level 3

Apparently East Lothian is higher tier due to lack of acute beds here so we inherit edinburgh

[Ian974]

alangla said:

Anyone want a laugh? Page 5 of this document - https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/go... has the qualifying criteria and eventual tier categories for each local authority in Scotland. Have a read & try to figure out why North & South Lanarkshire are tier 3 & Aberdeen & Shire are Tier 2...

Edit - just read the detailed text - they tried to put Aberdeen in Tier 3!!

Edited by alangla on Thursday 29th October 14:49

404 error for me?

"...aaand its gone"

[Scotty2]

I can see it. For what that's worth... Poss overloaded downloads?

When you try and make decrees by committee!

[alangla]

Ian974 said:

alangla said:

Anyone want a laugh? Page 5 of this document - https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/go... has the qualifying criteria and eventual tier categories for each local authority in Scotland. Have a read & try to figure out why North & South Lanarkshire are tier 3 & Aberdeen & Shire are Tier 2...

Edit - just read the detailed text - they tried to put Aberdeen in Tier 3!!

Edited by alangla on Thursday 29th October 14:49

404 error for me?

"...aaand its gone"

Stil visible for me - try again?