Mansion Tax and Raid on Pensions
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
Not necessarily.
I know of some who worked on the farm with their parents. If one of the offspring want to go into the vocation I suspect that will be the case more often than not.
Becoming less dependent on food imports is something I would support in this country. But I suspect that ship sailed a long time ago.
True, with the repeal of the Corn Laws in 1840’s. Which was needed because Irish Potato famine showed up issues with previous system... Your own people starving while having high duties on imported food wasn’t a vote winner.I know of some who worked on the farm with their parents. If one of the offspring want to go into the vocation I suspect that will be the case more often than not.
Becoming less dependent on food imports is something I would support in this country. But I suspect that ship sailed a long time ago.
Edited by wisbech on Wednesday 12th February 08:10
Nickgnome said:
fblm said:
Nickgnome said:
As I read that the graph takes absolutely no cognisance of the year on year increased cost due to the advancement of and technology medicine as I said before it used to be 3%. We can do more so we do.
Notwithstanding, surely the light green line is the only relevant line, as it reflects demand, only reached back up to 100% 2015-2016.
Where are the figures from the start of 2000 so we can see a sensible period trend?
I'm saying funding has gone up and costs have gone up even more. You're telling me costs have gone up more. I know. You can tell I know by reading what I wrote.Notwithstanding, surely the light green line is the only relevant line, as it reflects demand, only reached back up to 100% 2015-2016.
Where are the figures from the start of 2000 so we can see a sensible period trend?
We may agree but the government has not kept pace. I make no comment on whether they were able, just that as an individual patient the service you are likely receive has unfortunately slipped back and the attrition rate of staff due to pressure is worryingly high.
beyond criticism, that will do for me.
crankedup said:
Nickgnome said:
fblm said:
Nickgnome said:
As I read that the graph takes absolutely no cognisance of the year on year increased cost due to the advancement of and technology medicine as I said before it used to be 3%. We can do more so we do.
Notwithstanding, surely the light green line is the only relevant line, as it reflects demand, only reached back up to 100% 2015-2016.
Where are the figures from the start of 2000 so we can see a sensible period trend?
I'm saying funding has gone up and costs have gone up even more. You're telling me costs have gone up more. I know. You can tell I know by reading what I wrote.Notwithstanding, surely the light green line is the only relevant line, as it reflects demand, only reached back up to 100% 2015-2016.
Where are the figures from the start of 2000 so we can see a sensible period trend?
We may agree but the government has not kept pace. I make no comment on whether they were able, just that as an individual patient the service you are likely receive has unfortunately slipped back and the attrition rate of staff due to pressure is worryingly high.
beyond criticism, that will do for me.
Notwithstanding I am told such anecdotal information has no value and it’s the data that counts.
Nickgnome said:
crankedup said:
Nickgnome said:
fblm said:
Nickgnome said:
As I read that the graph takes absolutely no cognisance of the year on year increased cost due to the advancement of and technology medicine as I said before it used to be 3%. We can do more so we do.
Notwithstanding, surely the light green line is the only relevant line, as it reflects demand, only reached back up to 100% 2015-2016.
Where are the figures from the start of 2000 so we can see a sensible period trend?
I'm saying funding has gone up and costs have gone up even more. You're telling me costs have gone up more. I know. You can tell I know by reading what I wrote.Notwithstanding, surely the light green line is the only relevant line, as it reflects demand, only reached back up to 100% 2015-2016.
Where are the figures from the start of 2000 so we can see a sensible period trend?
We may agree but the government has not kept pace. I make no comment on whether they were able, just that as an individual patient the service you are likely receive has unfortunately slipped back and the attrition rate of staff due to pressure is worryingly high.
beyond criticism, that will do for me.
Notwithstanding I am told such anecdotal information has no value and it’s the data that counts.
andy_s said:
98elise said:
My Son has severe anxiety and depression and was having suicidal thoughts before Christmas. He's been told it will be May before he can see an NHS therapist.
This seems to be a real blind-spot at the moment, have heard similar.We really should have learnt something from those soldiers in the trenches a century ago that our mind is not indestructible and can suffer from natural variation and outside impacts.
I applaud anyone who stands up and says they have some emotional or mental problems. It’s incredibly brave and actually they are much stronger than some of the deniers.
We are improving but the rate of improvement is woefully below the rate of diagnoses.
98elise said:
My Son has severe anxiety and depression and was having suicidal thoughts before Christmas. He's been told it will be May before he can see an NHS therapist.
May be try and pay for some private counselling in the interim?Hopefully with you and his friends, you are able to give support.
Nickgnome said:
I do not disagree, although a good friend has recently had a major cancer operation to remove a kidney delayed by 2 months, so not perfect by any means.
Notwithstanding I am told such anecdotal information has no value and it’s the data that counts.
Anecdotal is everything to the person it is about, but it's not possible to run a national service of this scale if you have to worry about every last case. This is a large part of the problem we have in this country IMO - politicians are generally sNotwithstanding I am told such anecdotal information has no value and it’s the data that counts.
t scared of doing anything for fear of the sad face in the DM. Even with a large majority there are sad faces everywhere and a large majority can evaporate readily.As for your friend, I guess it depends on the outcome and why they were pushed back 2mths. If it was because a "better" case needed sorting sooner, then so be it. Again, anecdotally awful for your friend. But one would like to think it was the right thing overall. (Hopefully they'll be fine).
I guess 20yrs ago they wouldn't have been dealt with at all. So pros and cons all round. The NHS will, at some point, need to decide much more brutally what will and won't be covered. I'd hope it has moved to a cross party body, independently managed by medical practitioners and just given a sum of money each year by then.
Nickgnome said:
andy_s said:
98elise said:
My Son has severe anxiety and depression and was having suicidal thoughts before Christmas. He's been told it will be May before he can see an NHS therapist.
This seems to be a real blind-spot at the moment, have heard similar.We really should have learnt something from those soldiers in the trenches a century ago that our mind is not indestructible and can suffer from natural variation and outside impacts.
I applaud anyone who stands up and says they have some emotional or mental problems. It’s incredibly brave and actually they are much stronger than some of the deniers.
We are improving but the rate of improvement is woefully below the rate of diagnoses.
Murph7355 said:
Nickgnome said:
I do not disagree, although a good friend has recently had a major cancer operation to remove a kidney delayed by 2 months, so not perfect by any means.
Notwithstanding I am told such anecdotal information has no value and it’s the data that counts.
Anecdotal is everything to the person it is about, but it's not possible to run a national service of this scale if you have to worry about every last case. This is a large part of the problem we have in this country IMO - politicians are generally sNotwithstanding I am told such anecdotal information has no value and it’s the data that counts.
t scared of doing anything for fear of the sad face in the DM. Even with a large majority there are sad faces everywhere and a large majority can evaporate readily.As for your friend, I guess it depends on the outcome and why they were pushed back 2mths. If it was because a "better" case needed sorting sooner, then so be it. Again, anecdotally awful for your friend. But one would like to think it was the right thing overall. (Hopefully they'll be fine).
I guess 20yrs ago they wouldn't have been dealt with at all. So pros and cons all round. The NHS will, at some point, need to decide much more brutally what will and won't be covered. I'd hope it has moved to a cross party body, independently managed by medical practitioners and just given a sum of money each year by then.
Sorry for the detail but from peeing blood, seeing his doctor the same day to Kidney removal, less than 1 month.
He was 55 at the time. Fortunately survived and lived a great life until he died at the age of 87. His second kidney had failed a couple of years before and Osteoporosis really did for him so he stopped eating. He lived every day like a teenager until he was 83. Bit of a petrol head too.
This debate is a little bit pointless really.
If you claim you will never vote Conservative again if they raise various taxes, then who else are you going to vote for?
Anyone else will likely raise taxes even more than the Conservatives.
We can moan about it all we want, but taxing the better off in society is one of the least suicidal things that the Conservatives could ever do.
If you claim you will never vote Conservative again if they raise various taxes, then who else are you going to vote for?
Anyone else will likely raise taxes even more than the Conservatives.
We can moan about it all we want, but taxing the better off in society is one of the least suicidal things that the Conservatives could ever do.
andy_s said:
oyster said:
Which is why capital gains on principal private residence might be a way forward. You're not taxing hard work or effort - you are merely taxing the unearned gain.
You're taxing the 25 years of hard work needed to pay for the ruddy thing in the first place.kers bring it it it must be dripped in over a very long timeTelegraph pointing out double taxation on pensions if it's base rate only. Disappointingly muffled response to this from the.blue press thus far. Unless the editorials start spitting feathers the fkers will do it. Paywall but you can get the gist.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs...
kers will do it. Paywall but you can get the gist.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs...
Perhaps we should adopt a more American approach to taxation.
You may get a bit of a shock. $9,000 pa per person medical insurance premium. Obviously bit less when you are fit, healthy and say 40s but my Daughters in laws pay about $16,000 each.
Then there’s council tax 8K-12K $ per annum.
So not quite as inexpensive as you may think.
BTW foods no longer cheap either.
Tax has to be raised from somewhere.
You may get a bit of a shock. $9,000 pa per person medical insurance premium. Obviously bit less when you are fit, healthy and say 40s but my Daughters in laws pay about $16,000 each.
Then there’s council tax 8K-12K $ per annum.
So not quite as inexpensive as you may think.
BTW foods no longer cheap either.
Tax has to be raised from somewhere.
Nickgnome said:
Perhaps we should adopt a more American approach to taxation.
You may get a bit of a shock. $9,000 pa per person medical insurance premium. Obviously bit less when you are fit, healthy and say 40s but my Daughters in laws pay about $16,000 each.
Then there’s council tax 8K-12K $ per annum.
So not quite as inexpensive as you may think.
BTW foods no longer cheap either.
Tax has to be raised from somewhere.
And what personal taxes do they pay. A lot less than here. Top rate 35%. That’s why they don’t have free nhs style health. You may get a bit of a shock. $9,000 pa per person medical insurance premium. Obviously bit less when you are fit, healthy and say 40s but my Daughters in laws pay about $16,000 each.
Then there’s council tax 8K-12K $ per annum.
So not quite as inexpensive as you may think.
BTW foods no longer cheap either.
Tax has to be raised from somewhere.
Nickgnome said:
Perhaps we should adopt a more American approach to taxation.
You may get a bit of a shock. $9,000 pa per person medical insurance premium. Obviously bit less when you are fit, healthy and say 40s but my Daughters in laws pay about $16,000 each.
Then there’s council tax 8K-12K $ per annum.
So not quite as inexpensive as you may think.
BTW foods no longer cheap either.
Tax has to be raised from somewhere.
Indeed, but why is Boris planning to screw pension savers over to pay for Gordon Browns vanity rail project?You may get a bit of a shock. $9,000 pa per person medical insurance premium. Obviously bit less when you are fit, healthy and say 40s but my Daughters in laws pay about $16,000 each.
Then there’s council tax 8K-12K $ per annum.
So not quite as inexpensive as you may think.
BTW foods no longer cheap either.
Tax has to be raised from somewhere.
Nickgnome said:
Sadly we still seem to have a macho attitude that if you haven’t broken a leg or three one cannot be I’ll.
We really should have learnt something from those soldiers in the trenches a century ago that our mind is not indestructible and can suffer from natural variation and outside impacts.
I applaud anyone who stands up and says they have some emotional or mental problems. It’s incredibly brave and actually they are much stronger than some of the deniers.
We are improving but the rate of improvement is woefully below the rate of diagnoses.
I think we are at a point where mental illness is accepted and understood a lot better than it was even a decade ago.We really should have learnt something from those soldiers in the trenches a century ago that our mind is not indestructible and can suffer from natural variation and outside impacts.
I applaud anyone who stands up and says they have some emotional or mental problems. It’s incredibly brave and actually they are much stronger than some of the deniers.
We are improving but the rate of improvement is woefully below the rate of diagnoses.
Thankfully not suffered myself but i have friends/relatives who have with some taking their own lives. It therefore f
kS me off massively when people take the piss or get all negative about “safe spaces” and “snowflakes” etc.Nickgnome said:
Perhaps we should adopt a more American approach to taxation.
You may get a bit of a shock. $9,000 pa per person medical insurance premium. Obviously bit less when you are fit, healthy and say 40s but my Daughters in laws pay about $16,000 each.
Then there’s council tax 8K-12K $ per annum.
So not quite as inexpensive as you may think.
BTW foods no longer cheap either.
Tax has to be raised from somewhere.
Indeed it does. You may get a bit of a shock. $9,000 pa per person medical insurance premium. Obviously bit less when you are fit, healthy and say 40s but my Daughters in laws pay about $16,000 each.
Then there’s council tax 8K-12K $ per annum.
So not quite as inexpensive as you may think.
BTW foods no longer cheap either.
Tax has to be raised from somewhere.
But cherry picking odd bits of tax without looking at the whole including deductibles, is not the right way to go about comparing
Lord Marylebone said:
This debate is a little bit pointless really.
If you claim you will never vote Conservative again if they raise various taxes, then who else are you going to vote for?
Anyone else will likely raise taxes even more than the Conservatives.
We can moan about it all we want, but taxing the better off in society is one of the least suicidal things that the Conservatives could ever do.
5yrs is a long time in politics - opportunities will arise for differentiation if Boris gets too gung-ho.If you claim you will never vote Conservative again if they raise various taxes, then who else are you going to vote for?
Anyone else will likely raise taxes even more than the Conservatives.
We can moan about it all we want, but taxing the better off in society is one of the least suicidal things that the Conservatives could ever do.
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