Is the UK overpopulated ?
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fido said:
Down and out said:
XJSJohn said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_an...
32nd most densely populated by people / sqm.
As you say, it all depends on the infrastructure, transport and services. I lived in Singapore (number 2 on the list) for many years and that never felt that overpopulated, never had to queue much for a tube or bus, even in rush hour, traffic jams didnt seem to happen, and shops and malls never felt much more crowded than UK equivalents on a weekend.
Looks great.32nd most densely populated by people / sqm.
As you say, it all depends on the infrastructure, transport and services. I lived in Singapore (number 2 on the list) for many years and that never felt that overpopulated, never had to queue much for a tube or bus, even in rush hour, traffic jams didnt seem to happen, and shops and malls never felt much more crowded than UK equivalents on a weekend.
tt so it takes you an hour and a half to get from one part of London to another.But regarding space, even these will be 1'500 sqft 3 bed apartments, you wont find that sort of space in your average flat in London for example.
biggles330d said:
No it's not. Japan has 100m more people than we do for much the same land mass. I can understand why people in the South East and some other urban centres think it is, but its their choice to pile into the same little corners, pay extortionate rents for poxy small spaces and moan about crappy infrastructure.
Yes, I live outside the urban sprawl, am surrounded by countryside for a fraction of the price and in my view an infinitely better lifestyle. To say the UK as a whole is overcrowded is laughable to me from my perspective. We all have a choice how and where we choose to live!
I would keep quiet if I was you, otherwise you might find your green and pleasant land suddenly gets built on, but with no additional roads, schools, shops, surgeries or anything else people would expect to have. Yes, I live outside the urban sprawl, am surrounded by countryside for a fraction of the price and in my view an infinitely better lifestyle. To say the UK as a whole is overcrowded is laughable to me from my perspective. We all have a choice how and where we choose to live!
RicksAlfas said:
biggles330d said:
No it's not. Japan has 100m more people than we do for much the same land mass. I can understand why people in the South East and some other urban centres think it is, but its their choice to pile into the same little corners, pay extortionate rents for poxy small spaces and moan about crappy infrastructure.
Yes, I live outside the urban sprawl, am surrounded by countryside for a fraction of the price and in my view an infinitely better lifestyle. To say the UK as a whole is overcrowded is laughable to me from my perspective. We all have a choice how and where we choose to live!
I would keep quiet if I was you, otherwise you might find your green and pleasant land suddenly gets built on, but with no additional roads, schools, shops, surgeries or anything else people would expect to have. Yes, I live outside the urban sprawl, am surrounded by countryside for a fraction of the price and in my view an infinitely better lifestyle. To say the UK as a whole is overcrowded is laughable to me from my perspective. We all have a choice how and where we choose to live!
I have two miles to go to the local village from where I am, 10 to the nearest small town.
It’s awful. How I wish I could live in a lovely, multicultural, city...........
Randy Winkman said:
Anyone else look out of the window as their flight descends for landing and think that pretty much everything you see is fields? I do and I live in south east England.
I was going to post this too. I often from Manchester to London to pick up flight connections, and I am always struck at how almost everything below is just green space. So I don't think we are overpopulated as a whole, it’s just that most of the people are rammed together in small areas.People wont starve as science is already cracking that problem.
Making food out of air and bacteria.
I think eventually all the farm land freed up can allow people to spread out an roam more freely with something like a 2 child maximum to stop a sort of locust plague.
That George monbot fella in the guardian explained it all clearly.
Making food out of air and bacteria.
I think eventually all the farm land freed up can allow people to spread out an roam more freely with something like a 2 child maximum to stop a sort of locust plague.
That George monbot fella in the guardian explained it all clearly.
XJSJohn said:
Edit, and by City, no UK city even makes this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_po...
Surprised how many French cities are though ...
It all depends how countries define city limits. The French ones you listed are basically areas covered entirely with HLM (towers with small flats that serves as social housing in France).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_po...
Surprised how many French cities are though ...
Edited by XJSJohn on Tuesday 11th February 15:16
If you drew a line around similar areas of London and declared them as cities, those same stats would have a surprisingly high number of British ones too.
Fundoreen said:
People wont starve as science is already cracking that problem.
Making food out of air and bacteria.
I think eventually all the farm land freed up can allow people to spread out an roam more freely with something like a 2 child maximum to stop a sort of locust plague.
That George monbot fella in the guardian explained it all clearly.
Sound lovely. Making food out of air and bacteria.
I think eventually all the farm land freed up can allow people to spread out an roam more freely with something like a 2 child maximum to stop a sort of locust plague.
That George monbot fella in the guardian explained it all clearly.
Big-Bo-Beep said:
nay nay, if loch ness were emptied, you could fit the entire world's population in it,
i think its a theory tho, dont believe its actually been attempted, i would have noticed the village shop being a
bit busier wot with an extra 7 billion people to feed.
......and where would you put Nessie?i think its a theory tho, dont believe its actually been attempted, i would have noticed the village shop being a
bit busier wot with an extra 7 billion people to feed.
XJSJohn said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_an...
32nd most densely populated by people / sqm.
As you say, it all depends on the infrastructure, transport and services. I lived in Singapore (number 2 on the list) for many years and that never felt that overpopulated, never had to queue much for a tube or bus, even in rush hour, traffic jams didnt seem to happen, and shops and malls never felt much more crowded than UK equivalents on a weekend.
Edit, and by City, no UK city even makes this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_po...
Surprised how many French cities are though ...
The UK overall might be placed 32nd in that list, but with a density of 430 persons/sqkm, England would be 15th. 32nd most densely populated by people / sqm.
As you say, it all depends on the infrastructure, transport and services. I lived in Singapore (number 2 on the list) for many years and that never felt that overpopulated, never had to queue much for a tube or bus, even in rush hour, traffic jams didnt seem to happen, and shops and malls never felt much more crowded than UK equivalents on a weekend.
Edit, and by City, no UK city even makes this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_po...
Surprised how many French cities are though ...
Edited by XJSJohn on Tuesday 11th February 15:16
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281322/populat...
markjmd said:
XJSJohn said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_an...
32nd most densely populated by people / sqm.
As you say, it all depends on the infrastructure, transport and services. I lived in Singapore (number 2 on the list) for many years and that never felt that overpopulated, never had to queue much for a tube or bus, even in rush hour, traffic jams didnt seem to happen, and shops and malls never felt much more crowded than UK equivalents on a weekend.
Edit, and by City, no UK city even makes this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_po...
Surprised how many French cities are though ...
The UK overall might be placed 32nd in that list, but with a density of 430 persons/sqkm, England would be 15th. 32nd most densely populated by people / sqm.
As you say, it all depends on the infrastructure, transport and services. I lived in Singapore (number 2 on the list) for many years and that never felt that overpopulated, never had to queue much for a tube or bus, even in rush hour, traffic jams didnt seem to happen, and shops and malls never felt much more crowded than UK equivalents on a weekend.
Edit, and by City, no UK city even makes this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_po...
Surprised how many French cities are though ...
Edited by XJSJohn on Tuesday 11th February 15:16
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281322/populat...
i'll just walk away and leave that open can of worms for now i think .....
biggles330d said:
No it's not. Japan has 100m more people than we do for much the same land mass.
No, it has about 55m more than us. But, although the landmass is similar, the usable land mass in Japan is about 20% of ours, as most of the centre in too mountainous to support anything but villages. In Japan, basically you can only built towns and cities near the coast. So in reality, 20% of the size with around 80% more people. XJSJohn said:
so the Jocks and the Taffies are hogging all the land for themselves are they
i'll just walk away and leave that open can of worms for now i think .....
Plenty of areas in both Scotland and Wales could do with an injection of jobs, and both have some lovely countryside that is under utilised for development, and more support from central government for their regions would decongest the SE of England.i'll just walk away and leave that open can of worms for now i think .....
Baroness Scotland would be just fine running her Dept in the Outer Hebrides and it would bring much needed jobs and integration for the Islands!
XJSJohn said:
so the Jocks and the Taffies are hogging all the land for themselves are they
i'll just walk away and leave that open can of worms for now i think .....
We've got this thing called freedom of movement which allows English bi'll just walk away and leave that open can of worms for now i think .....
ds like me to move in and refuse/fail to learn the local language, so although they've got all the space, they can't hog it.XJSJohn said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_an...
32nd most densely populated by people / sqm.
As you say, it all depends on the infrastructure, transport and services. I lived in Singapore (number 2 on the list) for many years and that never felt that overpopulated, never had to queue much for a tube or bus, even in rush hour, traffic jams didnt seem to happen, and shops and malls never felt much more crowded than UK equivalents on a weekend.
Edit, and by City, no UK city even makes this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_po...
Surprised how many French cities are though ...
Interesting!32nd most densely populated by people / sqm.
As you say, it all depends on the infrastructure, transport and services. I lived in Singapore (number 2 on the list) for many years and that never felt that overpopulated, never had to queue much for a tube or bus, even in rush hour, traffic jams didnt seem to happen, and shops and malls never felt much more crowded than UK equivalents on a weekend.
Edit, and by City, no UK city even makes this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_po...
Surprised how many French cities are though ...
Edited by XJSJohn on Tuesday 11th February 15:16
Something I find surprising is that while Indonesia lies 60th in countries, Jakarta is not listed in cities. That is the place that instantly comes to mind for being overpopulated. At 3am you can see crowds of people walking along the roadside or waiting for their motorbike taxi to get to work for 6am. Manila is busy, but it does not seem as busy as Jakarta.
I agree that we just do not have the infrastructure in the UK.
The Victorians did a magnificent job and got the basics right. In the 60s, the Govt threw everything into personal mobility, but failed massively to expand the strategic highway network to meet projected demand. So we end up with two clapped out Motorways to link the North and South, and two clapped out railways.
Today, we seem to have stopped arguing about a need for HS2 yet in France they built another High-speed track to upgrade the existing TGV between a Paris and Bordeaux in 2017 - a similar distance.
The cost, not £100billion and 10-years; just €7.8billion and 5-years.
The Victorians did a magnificent job and got the basics right. In the 60s, the Govt threw everything into personal mobility, but failed massively to expand the strategic highway network to meet projected demand. So we end up with two clapped out Motorways to link the North and South, and two clapped out railways.
Today, we seem to have stopped arguing about a need for HS2 yet in France they built another High-speed track to upgrade the existing TGV between a Paris and Bordeaux in 2017 - a similar distance.
The cost, not £100billion and 10-years; just €7.8billion and 5-years.
You just cant get away from people or see unspooiilt Countryside in most of England. There is hardly any part of eth Country that isnt spoilt by Human invasion. In Scotland you still have some prper Wilderness. This is the way that I define population density as Wilderness is more important to me. If you only look at Population as an Economic issue then you completely miss the point!!!
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