Cabinet reshuffle Feb 2020

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turbobloke

103,875 posts

260 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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markyb_lcy said:
Condi said:
turbobloke said:
Far more to the point, it doesn't by any stretch mean he's right, as above it's more likely to mean he's bitter and twisted about the UK leaving the EU under Boris's bar stewardship, leading to the old pop's pop at Boris. Most undignified for a pensioner.
Not everything is about Brexit. Sometimes comments are apolitical, but simply an observation on the man.
That’s the problem with *some* significant minority of both brexiteers and remainers though isn’t it? If it isn’t about brexit, they find/invent/speculate some angle to make it about brexit.
It's not about individual PHers and there's no reason to invent anything.

This series of posts refers to Heseltine, so brexit is squarely in the frame. Like many remoaners the man was/is obsessed. The media has accurately described him as "staunch remainer Michael Heseltine", "Michael Heseltine is a lifelong ardent europhile", "pro-EU Michael Heseltine". The fact that Boris's win got the UK out of the EU last month sticks in his craw without a doubt. The rest follows.

General remarks about apolitical this and that are...general. Heseltine was a pro-EU zealot. Those who point this out aren't 'brexiteers' just people who are aware of the nature of Heseltine.

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

62 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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turbobloke said:
markyb_lcy said:
Condi said:
turbobloke said:
Far more to the point, it doesn't by any stretch mean he's right, as above it's more likely to mean he's bitter and twisted about the UK leaving the EU under Boris's bar stewardship, leading to the old pop's pop at Boris. Most undignified for a pensioner.
Not everything is about Brexit. Sometimes comments are apolitical, but simply an observation on the man.
That’s the problem with *some* significant minority of both brexiteers and remainers though isn’t it? If it isn’t about brexit, they find/invent/speculate some angle to make it about brexit.
It's not about individual PHers and there's no reason to invent anything.

This series of posts refers to Heseltine, so brexit is squarely in the frame. Like many remoaners the man was/is obsessed. The media has accurately described him as "staunch remainer Michael Heseltine", "Michael Heseltine is a lifelong ardent europhile", "pro-EU Michael Heseltine". The fact that Boris's win got the UK out of the EU last month sticks in his craw without a doubt. The rest follows.

General remarks about apolitical this and that are...general. Heseltine was a pro-EU zealot. Those who point this out aren't 'brexiteers' just people who are aware of the nature of Heseltine.
It must feel pretty sweet to be a mindreader?

turbobloke

103,875 posts

260 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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markyb_lcy said:
turbobloke said:
markyb_lcy said:
Condi said:
turbobloke said:
Far more to the point, it doesn't by any stretch mean he's right, as above it's more likely to mean he's bitter and twisted about the UK leaving the EU under Boris's bar stewardship, leading to the old pop's pop at Boris. Most undignified for a pensioner.
Not everything is about Brexit. Sometimes comments are apolitical, but simply an observation on the man.
That’s the problem with *some* significant minority of both brexiteers and remainers though isn’t it? If it isn’t about brexit, they find/invent/speculate some angle to make it about brexit.
It's not about individual PHers and there's no reason to invent anything.

This series of posts refers to Heseltine, so brexit is squarely in the frame. Like many remoaners the man was/is obsessed. The media has accurately described him as "staunch remainer Michael Heseltine", "Michael Heseltine is a lifelong ardent europhile", "pro-EU Michael Heseltine". The fact that Boris's win got the UK out of the EU last month sticks in his craw without a doubt. The rest follows.

General remarks about apolitical this and that are...general. Heseltine was a pro-EU zealot. Those who point this out aren't 'brexiteers' just people who are aware of the nature of Heseltine.
It must feel pretty sweet to be a mindreader?
Must it?

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

62 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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turbobloke said:
markyb_lcy said:
turbobloke said:
markyb_lcy said:
Condi said:
turbobloke said:
Far more to the point, it doesn't by any stretch mean he's right, as above it's more likely to mean he's bitter and twisted about the UK leaving the EU under Boris's bar stewardship, leading to the old pop's pop at Boris. Most undignified for a pensioner.
Not everything is about Brexit. Sometimes comments are apolitical, but simply an observation on the man.
That’s the problem with *some* significant minority of both brexiteers and remainers though isn’t it? If it isn’t about brexit, they find/invent/speculate some angle to make it about brexit.
It's not about individual PHers and there's no reason to invent anything.

This series of posts refers to Heseltine, so brexit is squarely in the frame. Like many remoaners the man was/is obsessed. The media has accurately described him as "staunch remainer Michael Heseltine", "Michael Heseltine is a lifelong ardent europhile", "pro-EU Michael Heseltine". The fact that Boris's win got the UK out of the EU last month sticks in his craw without a doubt. The rest follows.

General remarks about apolitical this and that are...general. Heseltine was a pro-EU zealot. Those who point this out aren't 'brexiteers' just people who are aware of the nature of Heseltine.
It must feel pretty sweet to be a mindreader?
Must it?
You tell me?

You’re the one who has attributed a generalised comment about the nature of Boris as a leader/individual as being about brexit just because the author has strong views on brexit.

So either you read Hesaltine’s mind, or you’re speculating. When I suggested you were speculating, you doubled down.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
Exactly.

Hilariously, a zealous poster like turbobloke banging on about Hesletine being a zealot and others being remoaners etc.

turbobloke

103,875 posts

260 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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markyb_lcy said:
turbobloke said:
markyb_lcy said:
turbobloke said:
markyb_lcy said:
Condi said:
turbobloke said:
Far more to the point, it doesn't by any stretch mean he's right, as above it's more likely to mean he's bitter and twisted about the UK leaving the EU under Boris's bar stewardship, leading to the old pop's pop at Boris. Most undignified for a pensioner.
Not everything is about Brexit. Sometimes comments are apolitical, but simply an observation on the man.
That’s the problem with *some* significant minority of both brexiteers and remainers though isn’t it? If it isn’t about brexit, they find/invent/speculate some angle to make it about brexit.
It's not about individual PHers and there's no reason to invent anything.

This series of posts refers to Heseltine, so brexit is squarely in the frame. Like many remoaners the man was/is obsessed. The media has accurately described him as "staunch remainer Michael Heseltine", "Michael Heseltine is a lifelong ardent europhile", "pro-EU Michael Heseltine". The fact that Boris's win got the UK out of the EU last month sticks in his craw without a doubt. The rest follows.

General remarks about apolitical this and that are...general. Heseltine was a pro-EU zealot. Those who point this out aren't 'brexiteers' just people who are aware of the nature of Heseltine.
It must feel pretty sweet to be a mindreader?
Must it?
You tell me?

You’re the one who has attributed a generalised comment about the nature of Boris as a leader/individual as being about brexit just because the author has strong views on brexit.

So either you read Hesaltine’s mind, or you’re speculating. When I suggested you were speculating, you doubled down.
It's not that complicated, and I didn't double down (internet jive, lovely) I pointed out the obvious to those who needed a pointer.

Beak, wings, webbed feet, waddle, quack, EU flag, Heseltine the lame duck. He can't let it go, as per his ilk, and pops at Boris follow.

"The Tory peer and former deputy prime minister Lord Heseltine has accused Boris Johnson of trying to 'rub the noses of Remainers in their defeat' after the prime minister announced events to commemorate the UK’s departure from the EU this coming Friday at 11pm."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/25/h...

Heseltine won't be sending a Valentine card to Boris, we knew that long ago. He'd gladly send a mush of hoary old doggerel punctuated with vacuous inapplicable analogies. Heseltine seems to think Boris was PM when the Referendum Act went onto the statute books and that the EU is based on Norman Tebbit's personal philosophy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hx_BxzAjxg

The general who led the troops into battle then abandoned them was David Cameron yet MH loves CMD. Heseltine is so obsessed with Boris and brexit he's been spouting like that ^ for years. Listening to the above interview drivel, post-general election, shows how deluded he was and is.



gooner1

10,223 posts

179 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
How so?

turbobloke

103,875 posts

260 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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gooner1 said:
Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
How so?
Easy, not so.

Pointing out what a silly billy Heseltine has been over Boris and brexit isn't MH 'getting a tough time'.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
Someone should write a strongly worded letter to his secretary.

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

137 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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catweasle said:
Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
Someone should write a strongly worded letter to his secretary.
hmmmm now how would somebody who has been here 4 months know about that?


returning knobjocky or mcstalker old post sniffer?

Sway

26,254 posts

194 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
He's not had anything to do with this place for ages has he? Nor did he for the first years either.

gooner1

10,223 posts

179 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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Sway said:
Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
He's not had anything to do with this place for ages has he? Nor did he for the first years either.
Ah, I get trev's meaning now.
Did he upset any creditors while he was here?

Sway

26,254 posts

194 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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gooner1 said:
Ah, I get trev's meaning now.
Did he upset any creditors while he was here?
He (or rather, his company, Haymarket) owned the gaff.

There was a certain controversy relating to an Elise... Even a mention of it back in the day would lead to a ban!

For some, Haymarket's purchase was the end of the heady old days of Oxo, VBRJ, Rammage, etc.

Gerradi

1,538 posts

120 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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turbobloke said:
As opposed to Corbyn and the ghost of Karl Marx.

So far BJ and DC are a winning team, which upsets some people; May 2024 (or whenever) will be more of a test.
Corbyn ???
Keep up this is about the TORY cabinet....old bean!

Gerradi

1,538 posts

120 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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Sway said:
Pretty much every public comment Heseltine has made in the last few years has been rooted in Brexit...

He's one of the most bile ridden people in the whole nation over it. Let's not forget quite how much integration with the EU defined his politics.
Now now, thats no way to talk about an elderly man who has served his country unflinchingly in public office!
After all Swampy ,he is a TORY Grandee, show some deference, you Rude boy lol

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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citizensm1th said:
catweasle said:
Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
Someone should write a strongly worded letter to his secretary.
hmmmm now how would somebody who has been here 4 months know about that?


returning knobjocky or mcstalker old post sniffer?
What’s it all about ?

Earthdweller

13,518 posts

126 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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It was interesting to see who Sky had wheeled out to give commentary on this .. mainly EX MP’s

Grieve still has the ability to look like he’s about to explode .. how someone can have that much hate in them

He really needs to “ Calm down dear”

I was really hoping we’d heard the last of the windbag

I think Burley interviewing Grieve might be terminal for my TV

laugh

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

137 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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Brooking10 said:
citizensm1th said:
catweasle said:
Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
Someone should write a strongly worded letter to his secretary.
hmmmm now how would somebody who has been here 4 months know about that?


returning knobjocky or mcstalker old post sniffer?
What’s it all about ?
Ages ago someone who I can't remember threatened to write to hezza, s P. A. about another member of ph. It was most amusing, but I would not expect someone who has officially only been a mamber for four months to know of it.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Friday 14th February 2020
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citizensm1th said:
Brooking10 said:
citizensm1th said:
catweasle said:
Brooking10 said:
Poor old Hezza getting a tough time from emboldened members of this site has a certain irony to it
Someone should write a strongly worded letter to his secretary.
hmmmm now how would somebody who has been here 4 months know about that?


returning knobjocky or mcstalker old post sniffer?
What’s it all about ?
Ages ago someone who I can't remember threatened to write to hezza, s P. A. about another member of ph. It was most amusing, but I would not expect someone who has officially only been a mamber for four months to know of it.
Gloria told me all about it.