Caroline Flack

[uk66fastback]

markyb_lcy said:

chrispmartha said:

25k for photocopying and Admin? Where do you work?

London, at a guess (they mentioned Brentford)

Salary sounds about right and Glassdoor agrees...

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-admini...

BrentWOOD

[markyb_lcy]

uk66fastback said:

BrentWOOD

Whoops, you're indeed correct.

Quite probably still London / greater London where these people work.

[Willhire89]

ceesvdelst said:

What staggers me about her and this show is that a few of them have suffered immensely after being on there, yet it carries on being shown, it is clearly acidic in what it does to people, the people it attracts, so stop watching it, make them close it down, it is you the viewer that minutely participate in their plight at a tiny level.

Where do you stop?

The Essex prog has similar issues where when the bubble bursts it becomes a ststorm. There are quite a number associated with that production who could so very easily end up in the same position - should that be canned?

[markyb_lcy]

Willhire89 said:

ceesvdelst said:

What staggers me about her and this show is that a few of them have suffered immensely after being on there, yet it carries on being shown, it is clearly acidic in what it does to people, the people it attracts, so stop watching it, make them close it down, it is you the viewer that minutely participate in their plight at a tiny level.

Where do you stop?

The Essex prog has similar issues where when the bubble bursts it becomes a ststorm. There are quite a number associated with that production who could so very easily end up in the same position - should that be canned?

The vast majority of what the above poster said I wholeheartedly disagree with (and I don't want to go into why), but on this, they are right.

Nobody who is watching these shows for "entertainment" has any moral right whatsoever to condemn them.

Then again, I think it's fair to say the majority on here who are condemning these shows find better ways to spend their time.

[98elise]

1602Mark said:

chrispmartha said:

princeperch said:

egor110 said:

In the 90s people seemed to accept they were working class , they'd live in 2 up 2 down houses , have one holiday abroad a year , go on the lash Friday Saturday night but they seemed happy to accept that's was there lot.

Now it seems nobody will accept anything less than being a celebrity and they don't even seem happy in there social media fake fairy tale world.

There is a young girl in my office (20s) who does the photocopying and admin. She probably earns 25k. She moved team a while ago and I hadn't seen her for s few months . I saw her the other day, it looks like she's had Botox and a skin lift or something. Out of interest I googled her name and she's on Instagram blogging about her baller lifestyle and posing in restaurants in Brentwood whilst posting inspirational quotes about living your best life etc.

She was a naturally attractive girl before but she now looks like Michael Jackson. By the looks of things she has paid for a load of Indian lads to follow her on Instagram and like her posts. I'm not sure what she is hoping to achieve. Might be escapism from the humdrum existance during the week or she might be trying to get on love island or one of these awful programs. I'm not entirely sure. It's all very confusing to me.

25k for photocopying and Admin? Where do you work?

That's significantly more than I get for coping with a caseload of 52 people as a Criminal Justice / Recovery Coordinator. Maybe I should apply?

I'm assuming that's not London? For London you have to factor the commute costing something like 5k a year after tax. If it's anything like my commute that's 5k to sit on the floor!

[ambuletz]

chrispmartha said:

princeperch said:

egor110 said:

In the 90s people seemed to accept they were working class , they'd live in 2 up 2 down houses , have one holiday abroad a year , go on the lash Friday Saturday night but they seemed happy to accept that's was there lot.

Now it seems nobody will accept anything less than being a celebrity and they don't even seem happy in there social media fake fairy tale world.

There is a young girl in my office (20s) who does the photocopying and admin. She probably earns 25k. She moved team a while ago and I hadn't seen her for s few months . I saw her the other day, it looks like she's had Botox and a skin lift or something. Out of interest I googled her name and she's on Instagram blogging about her baller lifestyle and posing in restaurants in Brentwood whilst posting inspirational quotes about living your best life etc.

She was a naturally attractive girl before but she now looks like Michael Jackson. By the looks of things she has paid for a load of Indian lads to follow her on Instagram and like her posts. I'm not sure what she is hoping to achieve. Might be escapism from the humdrum existance during the week or she might be trying to get on love island or one of these awful programs. I'm not entirely sure. It's all very confusing to me.

25k for photocopying and Admin? Where do you work?

eating at restaurants and posting inspirational quotes is hardly 'baller'

[princeperch]

ambuletz said:

eating at restaurants and posting inspirational quotes is hardly 'baller'

No but getting cosmetic surgery done to one's face and dicking about on Instagram with handbags and shoes that cost more than most of the cars I've ever owned, perhaps is.

[Jazzy Jag]

princeperch said:

ambuletz said:

eating at restaurants and posting inspirational quotes is hardly 'baller'

No but getting cosmetic surgery done to one's face and dicking about on Instagram with handbags and shoes that cost more than most of the cars I've ever owned, perhaps is.

Maybe she has a secondary source of income?

Nudge, nudge,

[Earthdweller]

I haven’t followed this thread apart from a comment on the first page

But I find it quite sad that the death of one minor celebrity can be 24/7 news for days .. every time I turn on the radio or tv news there are lots of people gushing about her whilst mental health and suicides amongst men is a serious problem

In 2018 alone 71 British Forces veterans took their own lives whilst in the US no less than 6000 vets took their own lives !

I find it a staggering reflection on the vacuous society we live in

[S11Steve]

Jazzy Jag said:

princeperch said:

ambuletz said:

eating at restaurants and posting inspirational quotes is hardly 'baller'

No but getting cosmetic surgery done to one's face and dicking about on Instagram with handbags and shoes that cost more than most of the cars I've ever owned, perhaps is.

Maybe she has a secondary source of income?

Nudge, nudge,

An "Instagram model"...?

"Tag the sponsor" explains more. NSFW though...

[Dont like rolls]

Earthdweller said:

I haven’t followed this thread apart from a comment on the first page

But I find it quite sad that the death of one minor celebrity can be 24/7 news for days .. every time I turn on the radio or tv news there are lots of people gushing about her whilst mental health and suicides amongst men is a serious problem

In 2018 alone 71 British Forces veterans took their own lives whilst in the US no less than 6000 vets took their own lives !

I find it a staggering reflection on the vacuous society we live in

Young males = worthless to the woke and privileged.

[Flumpo]

Earthdweller said:

I haven’t followed this thread apart from a comment on the first page

But I find it quite sad that the death of one minor celebrity can be 24/7 news for days .. every time I turn on the radio or tv news there are lots of people gushing about her whilst mental health and suicides amongst men is a serious problem

In 2018 alone 71 British Forces veterans took their own lives whilst in the US no less than 6000 vets took their own lives !

I find it a staggering reflection on the vacuous society we live in

I don’t think it says anything different about current society from any in previous history.

Vietnam was 40 years ago and look how they were treated.

The famous we were promised homes fit for hero’s and all we got was hero’s fit for homes of ww2.

Pick any number of poems about an old injured homeless solider from many centuries back.

People and society have always been the same, it’s just done with different technology now.

Is people picking perfect photos to show off their holiday or possessions while actually miserable anything new? Didn’t it used to be whatever is happening in doors, scrub your front step so everyone thinks you are ok. The technology is different but the drivers are the same.

Individual people you know are probably great, but society can be st.

At the same time don’t overlook how people come together in tough times. I bet some of the currently flooded communities are pulling together and getting on. But a picture of two neighbours who have never met before up to their arse in water helping each other doesn’t get as many clicks as a dead celeb with a bit of scandal involved.

[The Mad Monk]

Flumpo said:

Earthdweller said:

I haven’t followed this thread apart from a comment on the first page

But I find it quite sad that the death of one minor celebrity can be 24/7 news for days .. every time I turn on the radio or tv news there are lots of people gushing about her whilst mental health and suicides amongst men is a serious problem

In 2018 alone 71 British Forces veterans took their own lives whilst in the US no less than 6000 vets took their own lives !

I find it a staggering reflection on the vacuous society we live in

I don’t think it says anything different about current society from any in previous history.

Vietnam was 40 years ago and look how they were treated.

The famous we were promised homes fit for hero’s and all we got was hero’s fit for homes of ww2.

Pick any number of poems about an old injured homeless solider from many centuries back.

People and society have always been the same, it’s just done with different technology now.

Is people picking perfect photos to show off their holiday or possessions while actually miserable anything new? Didn’t it used to be whatever is happening in doors, scrub your front step so everyone thinks you are ok. The technology is different but the drivers are the same.

Individual people you know are probably great, but society can be st.

At the same time don’t overlook how people come together in tough times. I bet some of the currently flooded communities are pulling together and getting on. But a picture of two neighbours who have never met before up to their arse in water helping each other doesn’t get as many clicks as a dead celeb with a bit of scandal involved.

UK forces were not involved in the Vietnam war.

[anonymous-user]

The Mad Monk said:

UK forces were not involved in the Vietnam war.

https://youtu.be/soMNBdOajMA?t=2457

[Flumpo]

The Mad Monk said:

Flumpo said:

Earthdweller said:

I haven’t followed this thread apart from a comment on the first page

But I find it quite sad that the death of one minor celebrity can be 24/7 news for days .. every time I turn on the radio or tv news there are lots of people gushing about her whilst mental health and suicides amongst men is a serious problem

In 2018 alone 71 British Forces veterans took their own lives whilst in the US no less than 6000 vets took their own lives !

I find it a staggering reflection on the vacuous society we live in

I don’t think it says anything different about current society from any in previous history.

Vietnam was 40 years ago and look how they were treated.

The famous we were promised homes fit for hero’s and all we got was hero’s fit for homes of ww2.

Pick any number of poems about an old injured homeless solider from many centuries back.

People and society have always been the same, it’s just done with different technology now.

Is people picking perfect photos to show off their holiday or possessions while actually miserable anything new? Didn’t it used to be whatever is happening in doors, scrub your front step so everyone thinks you are ok. The technology is different but the drivers are the same.

Individual people you know are probably great, but society can be st.

At the same time don’t overlook how people come together in tough times. I bet some of the currently flooded communities are pulling together and getting on. But a picture of two neighbours who have never met before up to their arse in water helping each other doesn’t get as many clicks as a dead celeb with a bit of scandal involved.

UK forces were not involved in the Vietnam war.

The post I’ve quoted talks about 6000 US veterans. I’m pretty sure the US were involved in the Vietnam war.

[Cold]

Flack's mother, Chris, has just released a statement from Flack that was never published. It was written towards the end of January but Flack was advised not to post it on her Instagram page.

Flack said:

"For a lot of people, being arrested for common assault is an extreme way to have some sort of spiritual awakening but for me it's become the normal.

"I've been pressing the snooze button on many stresses in my life - for my whole life. I've accepted shame and toxic opinions on my life for over 10 years and yet told myself it's all part of my job. No complaining.

"The problem with brushing things under the carpet is... they are still there and one day someone is going to lift that carpet up and all you are going to feel is shame and embarrassment.

"On December the 12th 2019 I was arrested for common assault on my boyfriend.

"Within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed. I am suddenly on a different kind of stage and everyone is watching it happen.

"I have always taken responsibility for what happened that night. Even on the night. But the truth is... It was an accident.

"I've been having some sort of emotional breakdown for a very long time.

"But I am NOT a domestic abuser. We had an argument and an accident happened. An accident. The blood that someone SOLD to a newspaper was MY blood and that was something very sad and very personal.

"The reason I am talking today is because my family can't take anymore. I've lost my job. My home. My ability to speak. And the truth has been taken out of my hands and used as entertainment.

"I can't spend every day hidden away being told not to say or speak to anyone.

"I'm so sorry to my family for what I have brought upon them and for what my friends have had to go through.

"I'm not thinking about 'how I'm going to get my career back.' I'm thinking about how I'm going to get mine and my family's life back.

"I can't say anymore than that."

[Driver101]

She never lost her job. She resigned and ITV put out a statement she was welcome back.

She was also working for channel 4 recording The Surgery.

I don't think anyone has used the situation as entertainment.

[Robertj21a]

Cold said:

Flack's mother, Chris, has just released a statement from Flack that was never published. It was written towards the end of January but Flack was advised not to post it on her Instagram page.

Flack said:

"For a lot of people, being arrested for common assault is an extreme way to have some sort of spiritual awakening but for me it's become the normal.

"I've been pressing the snooze button on many stresses in my life - for my whole life. I've accepted shame and toxic opinions on my life for over 10 years and yet told myself it's all part of my job. No complaining.

"The problem with brushing things under the carpet is... they are still there and one day someone is going to lift that carpet up and all you are going to feel is shame and embarrassment.

"On December the 12th 2019 I was arrested for common assault on my boyfriend.

"Within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed. I am suddenly on a different kind of stage and everyone is watching it happen.

"I have always taken responsibility for what happened that night. Even on the night. But the truth is... It was an accident.

"I've been having some sort of emotional breakdown for a very long time.

"But I am NOT a domestic abuser. We had an argument and an accident happened. An accident. The blood that someone SOLD to a newspaper was MY blood and that was something very sad and very personal.

"The reason I am talking today is because my family can't take anymore. I've lost my job. My home. My ability to speak. And the truth has been taken out of my hands and used as entertainment.

"I can't spend every day hidden away being told not to say or speak to anyone.

"I'm so sorry to my family for what I have brought upon them and for what my friends have had to go through.

"I'm not thinking about 'how I'm going to get my career back.' I'm thinking about how I'm going to get mine and my family's life back.

"I can't say anymore than that."

A good example of why many mental health issues need far better understanding (by all of us). Here's a well written, sensible and pragmatic view of how she views her own life, how it's going wrong, and what she is trying to do about it. But in a short time she, presumably, found the whole situation so overwhelming that she felt her only alternative was to take her own life.

[wobert]

Robertj21a said:

Cold said:

Flack's mother, Chris, has just released a statement from Flack that was never published. It was written towards the end of January but Flack was advised not to post it on her Instagram page.

Flack said:

"For a lot of people, being arrested for common assault is an extreme way to have some sort of spiritual awakening but for me it's become the normal.

"I've been pressing the snooze button on many stresses in my life - for my whole life. I've accepted shame and toxic opinions on my life for over 10 years and yet told myself it's all part of my job. No complaining.

"The problem with brushing things under the carpet is... they are still there and one day someone is going to lift that carpet up and all you are going to feel is shame and embarrassment.

"On December the 12th 2019 I was arrested for common assault on my boyfriend.

"Within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed. I am suddenly on a different kind of stage and everyone is watching it happen.

"I have always taken responsibility for what happened that night. Even on the night. But the truth is... It was an accident.

"I've been having some sort of emotional breakdown for a very long time.

"But I am NOT a domestic abuser. We had an argument and an accident happened. An accident. The blood that someone SOLD to a newspaper was MY blood and that was something very sad and very personal.

"The reason I am talking today is because my family can't take anymore. I've lost my job. My home. My ability to speak. And the truth has been taken out of my hands and used as entertainment.

"I can't spend every day hidden away being told not to say or speak to anyone.

"I'm so sorry to my family for what I have brought upon them and for what my friends have had to go through.

"I'm not thinking about 'how I'm going to get my career back.' I'm thinking about how I'm going to get mine and my family's life back.

"I can't say anymore than that."

A good example of why many mental health issues need far better understanding (by all of us). Here's a well written, sensible and pragmatic view of how she views her own life, how it's going wrong, and what she is trying to do about it. But in a short time she, presumably, found the whole situation so overwhelming that she felt her only alternative was to take her own life.

I share these views.

Put yourself in their position, to stand on the precipice of “suicide” contemplating that it’s your only way out of the situation.

You have to be in a very dark place to get to that point.

[Fckitdriveon]

wobert said:

Robertj21a said:

Cold said:

Flack's mother, Chris, has just released a statement from Flack that was never published. It was written towards the end of January but Flack was advised not to post it on her Instagram page.

Flack said:

"For a lot of people, being arrested for common assault is an extreme way to have some sort of spiritual awakening but for me it's become the normal.

"I've been pressing the snooze button on many stresses in my life - for my whole life. I've accepted shame and toxic opinions on my life for over 10 years and yet told myself it's all part of my job. No complaining.

"The problem with brushing things under the carpet is... they are still there and one day someone is going to lift that carpet up and all you are going to feel is shame and embarrassment.

"On December the 12th 2019 I was arrested for common assault on my boyfriend.

"Within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed. I am suddenly on a different kind of stage and everyone is watching it happen.

"I have always taken responsibility for what happened that night. Even on the night. But the truth is... It was an accident.

"I've been having some sort of emotional breakdown for a very long time.

"But I am NOT a domestic abuser. We had an argument and an accident happened. An accident. The blood that someone SOLD to a newspaper was MY blood and that was something very sad and very personal.

"The reason I am talking today is because my family can't take anymore. I've lost my job. My home. My ability to speak. And the truth has been taken out of my hands and used as entertainment.

"I can't spend every day hidden away being told not to say or speak to anyone.

"I'm so sorry to my family for what I have brought upon them and for what my friends have had to go through.

"I'm not thinking about 'how I'm going to get my career back.' I'm thinking about how I'm going to get mine and my family's life back.

"I can't say anymore than that."

A good example of why many mental health issues need far better understanding (by all of us). Here's a well written, sensible and pragmatic view of how she views her own life, how it's going wrong, and what she is trying to do about it. But in a short time she, presumably, found the whole situation so overwhelming that she felt her only alternative was to take her own life.

I share these views.

Put yourself in their position, to stand on the precipice of “suicide” contemplating that it’s your only way out of the situation.

You have to be in a very dark place to get to that point.

As I have shared on another thread recently , during the last month or so, there’s been some really dark times amongst a sea of general crap, although I hope it ll Never get to that point for me,

I can easily see how it could, if that became your life for weeks/months on end, insular , cut off , inside your own head. The nuclear option can seem like the only way out.

Tragic.