Caroline Flack

[Dont like rolls]

Thesprucegoose said:

https://youtu.be/soMNBdOajMA?t=2457

Thanks for that....interesting link

[cayman-black]

Well, whatever anyone's opinion its a very sad case IMO.

[rxe]

Robertj21a said:

A good example of why many mental health issues need far better understanding (by all of us). Here's a well written, sensible and pragmatic view of how she views her own life, how it's going wrong, and what she is trying to do about it. But in a short time she, presumably, found the whole situation so overwhelming that she felt her only alternative was to take her own life.

I think the problem here is that any behaviour can be attributed to mental health, and then mental health can be used to deflect the consequences.

Throwing heavy objects at your sleeping boyfriend is something that suggests you have a problem - normal people don't do that. You can say that about a lot of criminal behaviour. Facing the consequences of your actions is also a common problem, we've all seen people who are driving their car one minute and then end up in prison, losing their job etc etc the next because they have done something stupid.

Why should she be any different? We all live with the fact that if we do something illegal or stupid, bad things happen. What about that bloke who just got his dream job at Number 10 - should we excuse his behaviour because he might get upset that he is now unemployed?

[Scootersp]

I think sometimes you need to seek help, she knew something was up she's got a few quid why not get professional advice?

It's hard to understand, if she had a physical ailment she'd have probably got it sorted out privately asap, but when she knew she was having some mental issues she didn't reach out to a professional? It seems like she's left it too long then the perfect storm of being a bit unhinged, doing the wrong thing, arrest, communication cut off with partner, valentines day.......

[Cold]

I've read her statement a couple of times now. Along with the signs of distress there's quite a lot of narcissism and denial coming through those words too.

[Digga]

Fckitdriveon said:

wobert said:

Robertj21a said:

Cold said:

Flack's mother, Chris, has just released a statement from Flack that was never published. It was written towards the end of January but Flack was advised not to post it on her Instagram page.

Flack said:

"For a lot of people, being arrested for common assault is an extreme way to have some sort of spiritual awakening but for me it's become the normal.

"I've been pressing the snooze button on many stresses in my life - for my whole life. I've accepted shame and toxic opinions on my life for over 10 years and yet told myself it's all part of my job. No complaining.

"The problem with brushing things under the carpet is... they are still there and one day someone is going to lift that carpet up and all you are going to feel is shame and embarrassment.

"On December the 12th 2019 I was arrested for common assault on my boyfriend.

"Within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed. I am suddenly on a different kind of stage and everyone is watching it happen.

"I have always taken responsibility for what happened that night. Even on the night. But the truth is... It was an accident.

"I've been having some sort of emotional breakdown for a very long time.

"But I am NOT a domestic abuser. We had an argument and an accident happened. An accident. The blood that someone SOLD to a newspaper was MY blood and that was something very sad and very personal.

"The reason I am talking today is because my family can't take anymore. I've lost my job. My home. My ability to speak. And the truth has been taken out of my hands and used as entertainment.

"I can't spend every day hidden away being told not to say or speak to anyone.

"I'm so sorry to my family for what I have brought upon them and for what my friends have had to go through.

"I'm not thinking about 'how I'm going to get my career back.' I'm thinking about how I'm going to get mine and my family's life back.

"I can't say anymore than that."

A good example of why many mental health issues need far better understanding (by all of us). Here's a well written, sensible and pragmatic view of how she views her own life, how it's going wrong, and what she is trying to do about it. But in a short time she, presumably, found the whole situation so overwhelming that she felt her only alternative was to take her own life.

I share these views.

Put yourself in their position, to stand on the precipice of “suicide” contemplating that it’s your only way out of the situation.

You have to be in a very dark place to get to that point.

As I have shared on another thread recently , during the last month or so, there’s been some really dark times amongst a sea of general crap, although I hope it ll Never get to that point for me,

I can easily see how it could, if that became your life for weeks/months on end, insular , cut off , inside your own head. The nuclear option can seem like the only way out.

Tragic.

I think the take home ought to be that we cannot see how people perceive their lives from their own POV and that people (or organisations e.g. media) who continually harass people, in person or online, need to realise their actions, however small, have a corrosive effect.

[Dont like rolls]

Just a DIVA = violent, self absorbed, entitled, vacuous, thick, me-me-me, selfish etc etc.....typical of the "type".

I feel sorry for them all but I can ignore them thank god. Sorry to sound harsh but.........

Queen of the "type"

Naomi Campbell
Model | Actress | Cultural Innovator | Activist | Privacy Law Pioneer | Founder of Fashion (her description of herself..."actress" LOL )
the reality however
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/naomi-...

Edited by Dont like rolls on Wednesday 19th February 10:15

[wobert]

rxe said:

I think the problem here is that any behaviour can be attributed to mental health, and then mental health can be used to deflect the consequences.

Throwing heavy objects at your sleeping boyfriend is something that suggests you have a problem - normal people don't do that. You can say that about a lot of criminal behaviour. Facing the consequences of your actions is also a common problem, we've all seen people who are driving their car one minute and then end up in prison, losing their job etc etc the next because they have done something stupid.

Why should she be any different? We all live with the fact that if we do something illegal or stupid, bad things happen. What about that bloke who just got his dream job at Number 10 - should we excuse his behaviour because he might get upset that he is now unemployed?

What you’ve written is the words of a rational person.

The problem lies in that someone who suffers from mental health issues often isn’t rational.

Someone contemplating suicide is beyond rational thinking.

[Petrus1983]

They’ve confirmed cause of death (I’m not posting it) - poor soul to go through that.

[amusingduck]

Petrus1983 said:

They’ve confirmed cause of death (I’m not posting it) - poor soul to go through that.

Worthwhile post

I'll save everyone else the hassle

Mirror said:

Caroline Flack's cause of death was ruled as suicide by hanging at the inquest into her death on Wednesday.

[anonymous-user]

Cold said:

I've read her statement a couple of times now. Along with the signs of distress there's quite a lot of narcissism and denial coming through those words too.

Chronic narcissism and denial are strong threads in the lives of many so called celebrities.

Maybe if they were a little more realistic about their true situations and value to society instead of believing the sycophants who place them on pedestals, they wouldn’t find it so hard to deal with when the truth dawns.

[Petrus1983]

amusingduck said:

Petrus1983 said:

They’ve confirmed cause of death (I’m not posting it) - poor soul to go through that.

Worthwhile post

I'll save everyone else the hassle

Mirror said:

Caroline Flack's cause of death was ruled as suicide by hanging at the inquest into her death on Wednesday.

I get your point.

[Digga]

Petrus1983 said:

amusingduck said:

Petrus1983 said:

They’ve confirmed cause of death (I’m not posting it) - poor soul to go through that.

Worthwhile post

I'll save everyone else the hassle

Mirror said:

Caroline Flack's cause of death was ruled as suicide by hanging at the inquest into her death on Wednesday.

I get your point.

FWIW, I doubt there is a 'good' way to do yourself in, not least because I have a sneaking suspicion that, in the last moments, where there's no way of turning back, there could easily be a point of desperate realisation of the mistake being made.

In general, this and a few other recent events - and TBF the increased push for awareness of mental health issues, which I commend - makes me realise the world could easily be a lot better all round if we were just a bit nicer to one another.

[Oakey]

Cold said:

I've read her statement a couple of times now. Along with the signs of distress there's quite a lot of narcissism and denial coming through those words too.

I agree with this, it's very "me me me" and what she's lost. Very little acknowledgement of the assault on her boyfriend other than to say "we had an argument and there was an accident". It's no wonder she was advised not to post it. We know this wasn't a one off event because her ex boyfriend had to phone an ambulance after she threatened to kill herself a year before which was followed by yet more denials and finger pointing at the ex.

[Exige77]

REALIST123 said:

Cold said:

I've read her statement a couple of times now. Along with the signs of distress there's quite a lot of narcissism and denial coming through those words too.

Chronic narcissism and denial are strong threads in the lives of many so called celebrities.

Maybe if they were a little more realistic about their true situations and value to society instead of believing the sycophants who place them on pedestals, they wouldn’t find it so hard to deal with when the truth dawns.

^^^^^This.

All very sad for all involved but it was very much of her own making.

[Digga]

Exige77 said:

REALIST123 said:

Cold said:

I've read her statement a couple of times now. Along with the signs of distress there's quite a lot of narcissism and denial coming through those words too.

Chronic narcissism and denial are strong threads in the lives of many so called celebrities.

Maybe if they were a little more realistic about their true situations and value to society instead of believing the sycophants who place them on pedestals, they wouldn’t find it so hard to deal with when the truth dawns.

^^^^^This.

All very sad for all involved but it was very much of her own making.

You could say the same about gambling or alcoholism, but it doesn't make things easier for the individual, or the family. External factors are still a catalyst.

[Exige77]

Digga said:

Exige77 said:

REALIST123 said:

Cold said:

I've read her statement a couple of times now. Along with the signs of distress there's quite a lot of narcissism and denial coming through those words too.

Chronic narcissism and denial are strong threads in the lives of many so called celebrities.

Maybe if they were a little more realistic about their true situations and value to society instead of believing the sycophants who place them on pedestals, they wouldn’t find it so hard to deal with when the truth dawns.

^^^^^This.

All very sad for all involved but it was very much of her own making.

You could say the same about gambling or alcoholism, but it doesn't make things easier for the individual, or the family. External factors are still a catalyst.

She had money, supportive family and many friends around her.

It’s partly about being in denial and thinking the world revolves around them.

If you contrast this situation with Dec, he owned up to having a problem, he said he was going to be out of the spotlight and get some treatment. He came back when issue was sorted. He faced up to the problem and overcame it.

[TPSA7514]

I read that statement. Seems to me for someone who says she takes responsibility for what happened that night she err …...isn't
The timing by the family is a great way of diverting attention from the one person responsible for all this - Ms Flack

[Derek Smith]

Digga said:

FWIW, I doubt there is a 'good' way to do yourself in, not least because I have a sneaking suspicion that, in the last moments, where there's no way of turning back, there could easily be a point of desperate realisation of the mistake being made.

In general, this and a few other recent events - and TBF the increased push for awareness of mental health issues, which I commend - makes me realise the world could easily be a lot better all round if we were just a bit nicer to one another.

The helicopter crew in my old force, which had Beachy Head and other such suicide points, retrieved a number of unsuccessful suicides by jumping. They reckoned that every one they rescued changed their minds on the way down.

Oddly, it didn't stop them trying and succeeding a second time.

[Sheepshanks]

Exige77 said:

It’s partly about being in denial and thinking the world revolves around them.

In the world in which these people exist, it does revolve around them. I suppose the issue is what happens when it stops? They've suddenly got (in their eyes) nothing.