45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 8)
Discussion
Escapegoat said:
Jimbeaux said:
He was released 27 years ago after a 22 month sentence. You pardon him as if he was still locked up.
- 97 of things you might have said to Trump.
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
From your link:
“In fact, one of the lead prosecutors later admitted that Mr. Milken had been charged with numerous technical offenses and regulatory violations that had never before been charged as crimes,”
Does that mean they were legal or illegal? “In fact, one of the lead prosecutors later admitted that Mr. Milken had been charged with numerous technical offenses and regulatory violations that had never before been charged as crimes,”
It does seem a long time ago though, when the US judicial system wasn’t akin to that of a 3rd world dictatorship, and subject to the whims of a wholly corrupt President.
Escapegoat said:
This just in... "I'm actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country"
Guess who said that?
Not too far off actually:Guess who said that?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/t...
"The President:
The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.
Jimbeaux said:
Not too far off actually:
"The President:
The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.
That pretty much explains why he’s managed to behave like a Dictator. Yay for democracy!"The President:
The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
From your link:
“In fact, one of the lead prosecutors later admitted that Mr. Milken had been charged with numerous technical offenses and regulatory violations that had never before been charged as crimes,”
Does that mean they were legal or illegal? “In fact, one of the lead prosecutors later admitted that Mr. Milken had been charged with numerous technical offenses and regulatory violations that had never before been charged as crimes,”
It does seem a long time ago though, when the US judicial system wasn’t akin to that of a 3rd world dictatorship, and subject to the whims of a wholly corrupt President.
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
Not too far off actually:
"The President:
The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.
That pretty much explains why he’s managed to behave like a Dictator. Yay for democracy!"The President:
The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.
Jimbeaux said:
Escapegoat said:
This just in... "I'm actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country"
Guess who said that?
Not too far off actually:Guess who said that?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/t...
"The President:
The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.
Surprise, surprise.
Jimbeaux said:
Escapegoat said:
This just in... "I'm actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country"
Guess who said that?
Not too far off actually:Guess who said that?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/t...
"The President:
The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.
"The Attorney General is the head of the DOJ and chief law enforcement officer of the federal government."
Interesting reading from another article concerning Trump's inexplicable pardoning of criminal Milken and his even more inexplicable commuting of sthe sentence of serious slimeball Blagojevich (my bold);
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-grant...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-grant...
article said:
“Yes, we commuted the sentence of Rod Blagojevich,” Mr. Trump told reporters just before boarding Air Force One for a four-day trip to the west coast where he is scheduled to hold three campaign rallies. “He served eight years in jail, a long time. He seems like a very nice person, don’t know him.”
Mr. Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, was convicted of tax fraud and lying to the government. And he said he had also pardoned Mr. Milken, the investment banker who was known in the 1980s as the “junk bond king” and who has fought for decades to reverse his conviction for securities fraud.
Mr. Trump commuted the former governor’s sentence on Tuesday after saying for years that he was considering intervening in Mr. Blagojevich’s case. By commuting the sentence, the president would free Mr. Blagojevich from prison without wiping out the conviction. Republicans have advised the president against it, arguing that Mr. Blagojevich’s crime epitomizes the corruption that Mr. Trump had said he wanted to tackle as president.
Trump has no moral compass whatsoever. He is thoroughly and irredeemably corrupt.Mr. Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, was convicted of tax fraud and lying to the government. And he said he had also pardoned Mr. Milken, the investment banker who was known in the 1980s as the “junk bond king” and who has fought for decades to reverse his conviction for securities fraud.
Mr. Trump commuted the former governor’s sentence on Tuesday after saying for years that he was considering intervening in Mr. Blagojevich’s case. By commuting the sentence, the president would free Mr. Blagojevich from prison without wiping out the conviction. Republicans have advised the president against it, arguing that Mr. Blagojevich’s crime epitomizes the corruption that Mr. Trump had said he wanted to tackle as president.
unrepentant said:
Trump has no moral compass whatsoever. He is thoroughly and irredeemably corrupt.
That’s it in a nutshell. We’ve gone around and around on here, had a few fall-outs, been condescended to by hosenbugler and others, but it’s quite clear. Whether trump has done any good or not in specific areas seems possible but certainly debatable. What is in no doubt whatsoever is that he is massively corrupt and thoroughly dishonest.There are those for whom this is not okay, and those, sadly, for whom it is.
Jimbeaux said:
I'm, I suppose if you lived here it would be clearer. It was Obamacare. It caused many to lose insurance they were happy with despite being told they would not.
True , as their polices didnt meet the new minimum standards,but they were mostly offered different plans, and many many more benefited from ObamacareEdited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 18th February 21:26
https://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-in...
Regardlesss or whether Obama lied/was optimistic/was mistaken on this, Trump is now determined to roll back Medicare & Medicaid & leave MORE people at risk with no insurance.Is that a good or bad thing in your view?
How do you feel about M4A Jimbeaux? Would you benefit personally by paying a few $K more tax but a LOT $K less in insurance(or what your employer pays for you which they could pay in cash instead)? Not forgetting not having to argue with insurers, being rejected, being out of scheme etc
Edited by kowalski655 on Tuesday 18th February 21:59
Judge in Stone's case says, despite his attorneys' last-gasp request, she won't delay the sentencing (due Thursday).
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/judge-unwilling...
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/judge-unwilling...
Pew Research Center: The partisan divide on political values grows even wider (pdf) http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/s...
Well worth a look
Graphs under spoiler.
The data may be American but we see the same move towards partisanship in the UK and other countries so what's going on? We as a species haven't changed since '94 so the answer has got to be environmental.
The most obvious change in our environment is the internet.
It's going to take someone more versed in psychology than me to unravel this, however it does seem to me that the way people discuss politics on the internet has got to be a major driving factor. The way people doggedly stick to their point long after it's been worn threadbare and the ease with which people insult each other is not something you'd do in the pub, because if you did then you'd very quickly run out of friends to go to the pub with.
My understanding is that the way we make decisions is never entirely rational due to the architecture of our brains, something that's served us well in simpler times, however if a bunch of cables and microchips can influence our decision making so heavily that we become unable to see the other party's point of view then we have a problem and that problem isn't the other party.
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Earlier today Maslow's hierarchy of needs came up in conversation and it struck me that part of the reason for all this polarization may be related to this.
Chart under spoiler:
In the western world there is very little threat to us physically. Everyone in this thread will will have a roof over their head, food in their mouth, etc. The bottom two tiers of the pyramid are likely fulfilled.
Our monkey brains however are not adapted to a safe world, so we start processing threats to our group identity as if they were threats to our physical security.
In a conversation about tax rates or immigration policy there is no common sense reason for the level of hostility and intellectual dishonesty we often see, however the skills we are using when doing this would be entirely appropriate against someone wishing us physical harm.
Well worth a look
Graphs under spoiler.
The data may be American but we see the same move towards partisanship in the UK and other countries so what's going on? We as a species haven't changed since '94 so the answer has got to be environmental.
The most obvious change in our environment is the internet.
It's going to take someone more versed in psychology than me to unravel this, however it does seem to me that the way people discuss politics on the internet has got to be a major driving factor. The way people doggedly stick to their point long after it's been worn threadbare and the ease with which people insult each other is not something you'd do in the pub, because if you did then you'd very quickly run out of friends to go to the pub with.
My understanding is that the way we make decisions is never entirely rational due to the architecture of our brains, something that's served us well in simpler times, however if a bunch of cables and microchips can influence our decision making so heavily that we become unable to see the other party's point of view then we have a problem and that problem isn't the other party.
<><><>
Earlier today Maslow's hierarchy of needs came up in conversation and it struck me that part of the reason for all this polarization may be related to this.
Chart under spoiler:
In the western world there is very little threat to us physically. Everyone in this thread will will have a roof over their head, food in their mouth, etc. The bottom two tiers of the pyramid are likely fulfilled.
Our monkey brains however are not adapted to a safe world, so we start processing threats to our group identity as if they were threats to our physical security.
In a conversation about tax rates or immigration policy there is no common sense reason for the level of hostility and intellectual dishonesty we often see, however the skills we are using when doing this would be entirely appropriate against someone wishing us physical harm.
Not just those mentioned.
"Trump on Tuesday granted clemency to 11 people, including several convicted felons who are either Fox News regulars or have been championed by the president's favorite cable-news network. And in another case, the family of one pardon recipient dished out massive contributions to the president’s re-election campaign just months before Trump’s clemency spree."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-grants-clemenc...
Trump’s flurry of presidential acts of clemency on Tuesday truly makes clear how indifferent he is about misbehavior by public officials — particularly when considered alongside his past pardons and commutations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/18...
With Trump's new pardons and commutations, "the whole idea of Trump as some kind of corruption-fighter has become a punch-line to a sad joke."
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/abandonin...
Trump on commuting sentence for Blagojevich: "It was a prosecution by the same people -- Comey, Fitzpatrick -- the same group."
Comey named Pat Fitzgerald (not Fitzpatrick) special counsel in the Libby case, Trump granted clemency to Libby and Blagojevich and for good measure Conrad Black whom Fitzgerald also prosecuted.
Edit: The son of one of Trump’s pardon recipients gave $85k to Trump victory this August. His wife gave $50k that same month. On top of that, they made an in-kind contribution for $75k in air travel.
trump doesn't care about corruption then...
Kerik was convicted of tax fraud and false statements over a thinly disguised six-figure cash gift from he received from a billionaire defense contractor when he was the interior minister of occupied Iraq.
"Trump on Tuesday granted clemency to 11 people, including several convicted felons who are either Fox News regulars or have been championed by the president's favorite cable-news network. And in another case, the family of one pardon recipient dished out massive contributions to the president’s re-election campaign just months before Trump’s clemency spree."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-grants-clemenc...
Trump’s flurry of presidential acts of clemency on Tuesday truly makes clear how indifferent he is about misbehavior by public officials — particularly when considered alongside his past pardons and commutations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/18...
With Trump's new pardons and commutations, "the whole idea of Trump as some kind of corruption-fighter has become a punch-line to a sad joke."
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/abandonin...
Trump on commuting sentence for Blagojevich: "It was a prosecution by the same people -- Comey, Fitzpatrick -- the same group."
Comey named Pat Fitzgerald (not Fitzpatrick) special counsel in the Libby case, Trump granted clemency to Libby and Blagojevich and for good measure Conrad Black whom Fitzgerald also prosecuted.
Edit: The son of one of Trump’s pardon recipients gave $85k to Trump victory this August. His wife gave $50k that same month. On top of that, they made an in-kind contribution for $75k in air travel.
trump doesn't care about corruption then...
Kerik was convicted of tax fraud and false statements over a thinly disguised six-figure cash gift from he received from a billionaire defense contractor when he was the interior minister of occupied Iraq.
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 19th February 07:09
Susan "trump has learned a pretty big lesson."Collins is under pressure
Colby College poll:
2020 Senate race:
Sara Gideon (D) 43%
Susan Collins (R) 42%
Collins' favorability:
Favorable 42%
Unfavorable 54%
https://www.wsj.com/articles/susan-collins-faces-t...
Senate Majority PAC is launching a five-figure ad buy on Facebook and YouTube against Sen. Susan Collins. It's the group's first post-impeachment ad and plays off her comments that she hoped Trump "has learned a pretty big lesson."
Colby College poll:
2020 Senate race:
Sara Gideon (D) 43%
Susan Collins (R) 42%
Collins' favorability:
Favorable 42%
Unfavorable 54%
https://www.wsj.com/articles/susan-collins-faces-t...
Senate Majority PAC is launching a five-figure ad buy on Facebook and YouTube against Sen. Susan Collins. It's the group's first post-impeachment ad and plays off her comments that she hoped Trump "has learned a pretty big lesson."
This popped up - The FBI in Miami arrested a Mexican national who they say was recruited by the Russian govt to locate a “confidential human source who provided information regarding Russian intelligence,” to the US.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/individual-arrested...
The document is still sealed by some details are here:
https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1229939331672...
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/individual-arrested...
The document is still sealed by some details are here:
https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1229939331672...
Jimbeaux said:
Al Gorithum said:
Jimbeaux said:
Here is a link referencing the Harvard Kennedy School on media bias. They are by no means a right leaning institution. They have hits on Trump in the piece but drive home the fact that the media is biased. You will be pained to know that Harvard found only Fox offered a near equal positive/negative view.
In case you can't be bothered to read it all, I draw your attention to paragraph 5 as well as the last three.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-harv...
I think you may find that this is what most people find objectionable about Trump.In case you can't be bothered to read it all, I draw your attention to paragraph 5 as well as the last three.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-harv...
From the article:
"The Harvard study had plenty of criticism for Trump. "Never in the nations history has the county had a president with so little fidelity with the facts, so little so little appreciation for the dignity of the office, and so little understanding of the underpinning of democracy"
Yet here we are. People trying to defend him...
ETA - someone posted this before in the thread but fits here, here is your ‘neutral’ Fox News on Obama’s ‘scandals’
https://youtu.be/7MWxq80oze0
Edited by Lazermilk on Wednesday 19th February 08:06
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