45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 8)
Discussion
unrepentant said:
Seventy said:
Stone sentenced to 3 years 4 months.
Judge was clever IMHO. He's guilty and she castigated him in her summing up. But she's given him a fair sentence. If she'd given him 7-9 Trump could have claimed it was excessive and pardoned him. He'll probably pardon him anyway in January but now his pardon will look self serving and thoroughly undeserved, which it is. arfursleep said:
Halmyre said:
Byker28i said:
trump at his rally last night complained about 'Parasite' winning Best Picture at the Oscars because it's a film from South Korea.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/21...
I can only assume he prefers 'Gone With the Wind' because 'Birth of a Nation' has title cards instead of sound dialogue.https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/21...
Countdown said:
arfursleep said:
Halmyre said:
Byker28i said:
trump at his rally last night complained about 'Parasite' winning Best Picture at the Oscars because it's a film from South Korea.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/21...
I can only assume he prefers 'Gone With the Wind' because 'Birth of a Nation' has title cards instead of sound dialogue.https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/21...
Is the US economy technically in recession?
Last year the US economy (GDP) stood at $21.5 trillion.
The annual budget deficit was $984 billion.
This means, without any multiplier effect, this additional money should have juiced the economy by at least 4.6%.
However, the actual GDP growth rate was in fact just 2.3%.
Therefore, either Trump has a spectacular ability to literally make money disappear or the US economy is actually contracting and it is only government borrowing which is keeping it in positive growth.
Last year the US economy (GDP) stood at $21.5 trillion.
The annual budget deficit was $984 billion.
This means, without any multiplier effect, this additional money should have juiced the economy by at least 4.6%.
However, the actual GDP growth rate was in fact just 2.3%.
Therefore, either Trump has a spectacular ability to literally make money disappear or the US economy is actually contracting and it is only government borrowing which is keeping it in positive growth.
Graveworm said:
Not that anything surprises us anymore, going off on the Oscars is nothing new. But explicitly saying that Parasite should not have won because its South Korean... He even said "Was it any good, I don't know" just said we have enough problems with the South Koreans..
Does he know the difference between North and South?rscott said:
Al Gorithum said:
What's happened to JB? There are some interesting questions that remain unanswered.
He's run away to the Next US President thread rather than answer any questions.
Carl_Manchester said:
It was a clever move by the judge. 7-9 years would not have been in the public interest.
There are “sentencing guidelines” that judges often refer to for choosing sentences. They are comprised of averages of similar past sentences based upon certain criteria such as past offenses, etc. It is true that a sentence of 7-9 years was available.However, for an obstruction offense where the perp is a first time offender and has no criminal history, the average sentence is 9.4 months. So the 40 months he received is well above that. 7-9 would have been excessive by any precedent. That was Barr’s assertion. He was right. The judge obviously agreed:
“ Jackson, who sentenced Stone to 40 months in prison and fined him $20,000, said she agreed that the original recommendation was too harsh, she said.
Sentence execution will be delayed by the judge as she gives Stone time to petition for a new trial based upon revelations that the Jury Forewoman was an anti Trump activist found to be tweeting unfavorably about the case while serving as the jury leader.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/...
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 21st February 12:32
anonymous said:
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If it’s a repeat of colorado springs the other night you probably won’t be getting in if you don’t already have a ticket. approx. 20,000 people turned up and the venue only held around 5,000 seated. people were being arrested outside the venue for blocking traffic.
Trump continues to be a big crowd draw all over the country. It is a big ask to pack out the Vegas convention centre but Trump might just do that.
Jimbeaux said:
Carl_Manchester said:
It was a clever move by the judge. 7-9 years would not have been in the public interest.
There are “sentencing guidelines” that judges often refer to for choosing sentences. They are comprised of averages of similar past sentences based upon certain criteria such as past offenses, etc. It is true that a sentence of 7-9 years was available.However, for an obstruction offense where the perp is a first time offender and has no criminal history, the average sentence is 9.4 months. So the 40 months he received is well above that. 7-9 would have been excessive by any precedent. That was Barr’s assertion. He was right. The judge obviously agreed. Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 21st February 12:14
A former Republican politician in South Dakota got 10 years just for that offence. Jared Kushner's father has also been convicted of that (along with tax evasion and illegal campaign contributions) but only served 2 years as part of a plea deal.
Jimbeaux said:
What are your question/s of me Al?
From my previous post:... but is that all is you have against the Gentleman (Obama)? You haven't found anything substantial like adultery, business failings, collusion with foreign enemies, obstruction of justice, collusion with fellons, quid pro quos, stealing from charities, being banned from operating charities, running a fake university, putting unqualified and un-vetted members of his family in positions of authority/national security, firing decent professional people, campaign finance violations, filling his pockets at the tax payers expense etc?
Jimbeaux said:
Carl_Manchester said:
It was a clever move by the judge. 7-9 years would not have been in the public interest.
There are “sentencing guidelines” that judges often refer to for choosing sentences. They are comprised of averages of similar past sentences based upon certain criteria such as past offenses, etc. It is true that a sentence of 7-9 years was available.However, for an obstruction offense where the perp is a first time offender and has no criminal history, the average sentence is 9.4 months. So the 40 months he received is well above that. 7-9 would have been excessive by any precedent. That was Barr’s assertion. He was right. The judge obviously agreed:
“ Jackson, who sentenced Stone to 40 months in prison and fined him $20,000, said she agreed that the original recommendation was too harsh, she said.
Sentence execution will be delayed by the judge as she gives Stone time to petition for a new trial based upon revelations that the Jury Forewoman was an anti Trump activist found to be tweeting unfavorably about the case while serving as the jury leader.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/...
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 21st February 12:32
The judges comments made her position very clear and what she felt about Stone and the defence efforts to play down the charges.
"Of all the circumstances in this case, that may be the most pernicious. The truth still exists. The truth still matters. Roger Stone's insistence that it doesn't, his belligerence, his pride in his own lies are a threat to our most fundamental institutions, to the very foundation of our democracy."
"And if it goes unpunished, it will not be a victory for one party or another. Everyone loses because everyone depends on the representatives they elect to make the right decisions on a myriad of issues -- many of which are politically charged but many of which aren't -- based on the facts.
"Everyone depends on our elected representatives to protect our elections from foreign interference based on the facts. No one knows where the threat is going to come from next time or whose side they're going to be on, and for that reason the dismay and disgust at the defendant's belligerence should transcend party.
The dismay and the disgust at the attempts by others to defend his actions as just business as usual in our polarized climate should transcend party. The dismay and the disgust with any attempts to interfere with the efforts of prosecutors and members of the judiciary to fulfill their duty should transcend party.
Sure, the defense is free to say: So what? Who cares? But, I'll say this: Congress cared. The United States Department of Justice and the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia that prosecuted the case and is still prosecuting the case cared. The jurors who served with integrity under difficult circumstances cared. The American people cared. And I care."
Remember - she also said about Stone
"He was not prosecuted, as some have complained, for standing up for the President. He was prosecuted for covering up for the President."
Yet another trial of a team trump member that names trump in it...
Edited by Byker28i on Friday 21st February 12:41
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