No meat on expenses - forced vegetarianism?
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Aaggraa1 said:
This is a brilliant story of hypocrisy in the EDP24 website, I am no good at linking articles ,so will give a summary.
https://www.edp24.co.uk/business/selesti-and-ethic...Aaggraa1 said:
This is a brilliant story of hypocrisy in the EDP24 website, I am no good at linking articles ,so will give a summary.
Eco friendly vegan accredited advertising firm gets an article in the local paper .The MD then explains how his companies will not do business with companies that do not meet his high standards of veganism etc.And recently refused to work with a sausage company as it was not vegan.
Fast forward a week or so....said company is photographed receiving deliveries of bacon butties and sausage sarnies on what is called "fat frydays"
MD gets pulled up on it and says no company can be 100% vegan and he cant force his staff to eat vegan.
Company is now about to lose its vegan certificate thingy
rival advertising firms are calling it "buttygate"
Is he the 'Woke' Gerald Ratner ? Eco friendly vegan accredited advertising firm gets an article in the local paper .The MD then explains how his companies will not do business with companies that do not meet his high standards of veganism etc.And recently refused to work with a sausage company as it was not vegan.
Fast forward a week or so....said company is photographed receiving deliveries of bacon butties and sausage sarnies on what is called "fat frydays"
MD gets pulled up on it and says no company can be 100% vegan and he cant force his staff to eat vegan.
Company is now about to lose its vegan certificate thingy
rival advertising firms are calling it "buttygate"
I love it when pricks like this come unstuck.
oyster said:
anonymous said:
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I suspect this policy will be seen as a staff benefit rather than restriction - FOR THIS PARTICULAR company.It's quite something to see the non-metropolitan elite becoming the snowflakes on this topic!
I think you'll find that, regardless of whatever hyperbolic terms you choose to use to categorise others, there's simply people offering their opinion on what they feel is an unnecessary, unwelcome and clumsy step, by an employer, into the lives of employees. Nobody is demanding any special treatment or any nanny pandering for a select few (now that's snowflake if you choose to throw terms like that around) , they're just saying the company should back off as it's none of their business, that diet is solely the choice of the individual.
anonymous said:
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Agreed. Most of this “snowflake” pushback against rational criticism amounts to little more than ad hominem insults because the removal of choice doesn’t affect them personally. I absolutely guarantee these same people would be crying into their tofu if an employer implemented expenses discrimination against those who choose not to eat meat. They’ll claim it’s not the same thing, but it is.Kenny Powers said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. Most of this “snowflake” pushback against rational criticism amounts to little more than ad hominem insults because the removal of choice doesn’t affect them personally. I absolutely guarantee these same people would be crying into their tofu if an employer implemented expenses discrimination against those who choose not to eat meat. They’ll claim it’s not the same thing, but it is.Kenny Powers said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. Most of this “snowflake” pushback against rational criticism amounts to little more than ad hominem insults because the removal of choice doesn’t affect them personally. I absolutely guarantee these same people would be crying into their tofu if an employer implemented expenses discrimination against those who choose not to eat meat. They’ll claim it’s not the same thing, but it is.Quite simply some people, for personal reasons do not eat meat. There are no people, for similar reasons, who only eat meat.
Hence they are not the same.
And increasingly, you'll find that modern policy and law will tend to move this way too.
oyster said:
Kenny Powers said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. Most of this “snowflake” pushback against rational criticism amounts to little more than ad hominem insults because the removal of choice doesn’t affect them personally. I absolutely guarantee these same people would be crying into their tofu if an employer implemented expenses discrimination against those who choose not to eat meat. They’ll claim it’s not the same thing, but it is.Quite simply some people, for personal reasons do not eat meat. There are no people, for similar reasons, who only eat meat.
Hence they are not the same.
And increasingly, you'll find that modern policy and law will tend to move this way too.
amusingduck said:
oyster said:
Kenny Powers said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. Most of this “snowflake” pushback against rational criticism amounts to little more than ad hominem insults because the removal of choice doesn’t affect them personally. I absolutely guarantee these same people would be crying into their tofu if an employer implemented expenses discrimination against those who choose not to eat meat. They’ll claim it’s not the same thing, but it is.Quite simply some people, for personal reasons do not eat meat. There are no people, for similar reasons, who only eat meat.
Hence they are not the same.
And increasingly, you'll find that modern policy and law will tend to move this way too.
Anyhow, I would be amazed if anyone feels they can only eat meat and nothing else.
oyster said:
amusingduck said:
oyster said:
Kenny Powers said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. Most of this “snowflake” pushback against rational criticism amounts to little more than ad hominem insults because the removal of choice doesn’t affect them personally. I absolutely guarantee these same people would be crying into their tofu if an employer implemented expenses discrimination against those who choose not to eat meat. They’ll claim it’s not the same thing, but it is.Quite simply some people, for personal reasons do not eat meat. There are no people, for similar reasons, who only eat meat.
Hence they are not the same.
And increasingly, you'll find that modern policy and law will tend to move this way too.
Anyhow, I would be amazed if anyone feels they can only eat meat and nothing else.
Kenny Powers said:
You can believe what you like. I’m whole food ketogenic carnivore. Beef, pork, chicken, organs, eggs, fish etc. Absolutely no processed food. Nothing. You’re going to have to do well to win that argument with me 
oyster said:
It's not ok to just insist they are the same without any justification.
They are exactly the same thing. People's right to choose what they eat on company time is being discriminated against based on someone else's ethics. The only distinction is one of which side of the fence one sits on.I suspect we'll have to amicably disagree on this, because I am not inclined to get into a drawn-out debate about it.
amusingduck said:
oyster said:
Kenny Powers said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. Most of this “snowflake” pushback against rational criticism amounts to little more than ad hominem insults because the removal of choice doesn’t affect them personally. I absolutely guarantee these same people would be crying into their tofu if an employer implemented expenses discrimination against those who choose not to eat meat. They’ll claim it’s not the same thing, but it is.Quite simply some people, for personal reasons do not eat meat. There are no people, for similar reasons, who only eat meat.
Hence they are not the same.
And increasingly, you'll find that modern policy and law will tend to move this way too.
Kenny Powers said:
oyster said:
It's not ok to just insist they are the same without any justification.
They are exactly the same thing. People's right to choose what they eat on company time is being discriminated against based on someone else's ethics. The only distinction is one of which side of the fence one sits on.I suspect we'll have to amicably disagree on this, because I am not inclined to get into a drawn-out debate about it.
amusingduck said:
oyster said:
amusingduck said:
oyster said:
Kenny Powers said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. Most of this “snowflake” pushback against rational criticism amounts to little more than ad hominem insults because the removal of choice doesn’t affect them personally. I absolutely guarantee these same people would be crying into their tofu if an employer implemented expenses discrimination against those who choose not to eat meat. They’ll claim it’s not the same thing, but it is.Quite simply some people, for personal reasons do not eat meat. There are no people, for similar reasons, who only eat meat.
Hence they are not the same.
And increasingly, you'll find that modern policy and law will tend to move this way too.
Anyhow, I would be amazed if anyone feels they can only eat meat and nothing else.
Kenny Powers said:
You can believe what you like. I’m whole food ketogenic carnivore. Beef, pork, chicken, organs, eggs, fish etc. Absolutely no processed food. Nothing. You’re going to have to do well to win that argument with me
chrispmartha said:
Eggs are meat are they?
Carnivore is the keyword in that sentence, I presume they're aware of what a carnivore is.If they eat exclusively meat, but also eggs, I think their description of carnivore is accurate enough. What else would you call it? Omni might be technically more accurate, but would suggest they eat vegetables (which this guy doesn't, afaics).
amusingduck said:
chrispmartha said:
Eggs are meat are they?
Carnivore is the keyword in that sentence, I presume they're aware of what a carnivore is.If they eat exclusively meat, but also eggs, I think their description of carnivore is accurate enough. What else would you call it? Omni might be technically more accurate, but would suggest they eat vegetables (which this guy doesn't, afaics).
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