Home Secretary announces points-based immigration system

[Leylandeye]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-...

This has been talked about elsewhere but this is the official press release.

It will be interesting how this will work out in the future.

[JulianHJ]

Haven’t there been significant issues finding enough agricultural workers since Brexit? I wonder how this will affect other industries reliant on lower paid labour, such as hospitality.

[JagLover]

JulianHJ said:

Haven’t there been significant issues finding enough agricultural workers since Brexit? I wonder how this will affect other industries reliant on lower paid labour, such as hospitality.

They are bringing back the old Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS)

https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/business-management...

As you can tell by the name it is seasonal for a few months.

[citizensm1th]

This is the thing, they will end up making so may exemptions and temperary relaxations due to lobbying it will never end up functioning as advertised.

[21TonyK]

JulianHJ said:

Haven’t there been significant issues finding enough agricultural workers since Brexit? I wonder how this will affect other industries reliant on lower paid labour, such as hospitality.

I'm a little out of touch in recent years but I would expect a huge impact on agriculture, fishing and lower end hospitality. AFAIK existing residents are okay? It's going to be the seasonal staff that are hit, one employer I worked for had about 800 EU staff on short contracts.

[petemurphy]

good people might get a proper wage at last although I know it wont be as simple as that. am sure some people on benefits can fill the positions...

Edited by petemurphy on Wednesday 19th February 07:13

[citizensm1th]

petemurphy said:

good people might get a proper wage at last although I know it wont be as simple as that. am sure some people on benefits can fill the positions...

Edited by petemurphy on Wednesday 19th February 07:13

Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel?

[CzechItOut]

21TonyK said:

I'm a little out of touch in recent years but I would expect a huge impact on agriculture, fishing and lower end hospitality. AFAIK existing residents are okay? It's going to be the seasonal staff that are hit, one employer I worked for had about 800 EU staff on short contracts.

Doing what?

[powerstroke]

citizensm1th said:

Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel?

Good point ... the proles wages must be kept down ... who knows where it might end !! some nonsense like we can
abolish tax credits because people are now having to be paid a living wage ??

[petemurphy]

citizensm1th said:

Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel?

Yes I would plus they can bring down the owners / managers pay to pay a decent living wage without sounding too labour. Market forces should sort it out

[JagLover]

powerstroke said:

citizensm1th said:

Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel?

Good point ... the proles wages must be kept down ... who knows where it might end !! some nonsense like we can
abolish tax credits because people are now having to be paid a living wage ??

Worth bearing in mind most of the media coverage on this will be driven by big business. We survived for decades without a limitless pool of cheap labour on tap and all that happened is wages went up and employers invested in machinery and training for their workforce.

There are few unskilled sectors where the need for labour couldn't be reduced by automation using TODAYs technology, let alone that of tomorrow.

[Type R Tom]

I heard on the radio this will be a problem for small companies etc. when cheap labor is reduced but doesn't everyone pay min wage anyway or are people coming in from abroad paid less?

[Camelot1971]

anonymous said:

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Fixed that for you

[PositronicRay]

Type R Tom said:

I heard on the radio this will be a problem for small companies etc. when cheap labor is reduced but doesn't everyone pay min wage anyway or are people coming in from abroad paid less?

Some pay above minimum.

[Murph7355]

citizensm1th said:

petemurphy said:

good people might get a proper wage at last although I know it wont be as simple as that. am sure some people on benefits can fill the positions...

Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel?

If it means the tax bill can be lowered as people get paid a true market rate, we become more productive as a nation and additional services to be paid for become less necessary, yes.

I don't always eat out or stay in hotels. I am always liable for my taxes

Things have to change. We have to try something new to get out of the stagnation we are in. If the policy is given time and doesn't work, it can be changed. 100% to suit this country's requirements. How cool is that concept...

[rscott]

JagLover said:

powerstroke said:

citizensm1th said:

Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel?

Good point ... the proles wages must be kept down ... who knows where it might end !! some nonsense like we can
abolish tax credits because people are now having to be paid a living wage ??

Worth bearing in mind most of the media coverage on this will be driven by big business. We survived for decades without a limitless pool of cheap labour on tap and all that happened is wages went up and employers invested in machinery and training for their workforce.

There are few unskilled sectors where the need for labour couldn't be reduced by automation using TODAYs technology, let alone that of tomorrow.

Take the care sector - one of the areas which has a lot of non UK staff. The vast majority of jobs pay under £10 an hour (with many paying the minimum of £8.21, even for shift work). How can you reduce the labour needed through automation?
Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.

[JagLover]

rscott said:

Take the care sector - one of the areas which has a lot of non UK staff. The vast majority of jobs pay under £10 an hour (with many paying the minimum of £8.21, even for shift work). How can you reduce the labour needed through automation?
Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.

No expert on the subject but I believe that there are some devices that can replace monitoring done currently by a nurse. Also in Japan (which has embraced automation further) they have robots already that perform some functions in care homes.

You don't need to automate every task, just enough to reduce the labour required.

Edited by JagLover on Wednesday 19th February 08:49

[petemurphy]

rscott said:

Take the care sector - one of the areas which has a lot of non UK staff. The vast majority of jobs pay under £10 an hour (with many paying the minimum of £8.21, even for shift work). How can you reduce the labour needed through automation?
Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.

spend less on consultants/councillors more on care workers. do you really want your mum looked after by someone on min wage

[shed driver]

JagLover said:

No expert on the subject but I believe that there are some devices that can replace monitoring down currently by a nurse. Also in Japan (which has embraced automation further) they have robots already that perform some functions in care homes.

You don't need to automate every task, just enough to reduce the labour required.

Not every task needs to be automated, but for many elderly people, the visit from the carer is their only human interaction from day to day. Would you be happy for this to be replaced by a robot?

SD.

[Mrr T]

JagLover said:

rscott said:

Take the care sector - one of the areas which has a lot of non UK staff. The vast majority of jobs pay under £10 an hour (with many paying the minimum of £8.21, even for shift work). How can you reduce the labour needed through automation?
Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.

No expert on the subject but I believe that there are some devices that can replace monitoring down currently by a nurse. Also in Japan (which has embraced automation further) they have robots already that perform some functions in care homes.

You don't need to automate every task, just enough to reduce the labour required.

My wife's aunt works as a carer. The options for automation are very limited. You could install a monitor in every room but you would still need a carer to check any alarm and assess if an ambulance should be called. Cleaning up st, vomit, and moving people is all manual.

The knock on affect of the cuts will be on the NHS because there will not be places to release elderly patients. So bed blocking will become even more of a problem.

The next time a patient has to sleep on the floor you could try to raise the issue with BJ you know he takes the welfare of the country very seriously.