Home Secretary announces points-based immigration system
Discussion
Stay in Bed Instead said:
amusingduck said:
What's the distinction you're trying to draw?
The current wage is the correct wage and not depressed by low skilled immigration. Making a cup of coffee is a minimum wage job.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
amusingduck said:
If it's correct and not depressed then nothing will change, surely?
See my post of 07.27.Wages are not depressed by unskilled migration. The wage is the correct wage.
If you restrict unskilled migration, those wages will rise as a result.
Those are mutually exclusive statements.
amusingduck said:
Yes, that's the quandry.
Wages are not depressed by unskilled migration. The wage is the correct wage.
If you restrict unskilled migration, those wages will rise as a result.
Those are mutually exclusive statements.
The fact that an unskilled UK worker is unwilling to make a cup of coffee for minimum wage does not make the job worth more.Wages are not depressed by unskilled migration. The wage is the correct wage.
If you restrict unskilled migration, those wages will rise as a result.
Those are mutually exclusive statements.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
amusingduck said:
Yes, that's the quandry.
Wages are not depressed by unskilled migration. The wage is the correct wage.
If you restrict unskilled migration, those wages will rise as a result.
Those are mutually exclusive statements.
The fact that an unskilled UK worker is unwilling to make a cup of coffee for minimum wage does not make the job worth more.Wages are not depressed by unskilled migration. The wage is the correct wage.
If you restrict unskilled migration, those wages will rise as a result.
Those are mutually exclusive statements.
Why are you paid more than a barista? Moral reasons?
Stay in Bed Instead said:
amusingduck said:
Yes, that's the quandry.
Wages are not depressed by unskilled migration. The wage is the correct wage.
If you restrict unskilled migration, those wages will rise as a result.
Those are mutually exclusive statements.
The fact that an unskilled UK worker is unwilling to make a cup of coffee for minimum wage does not make the job worth more.Wages are not depressed by unskilled migration. The wage is the correct wage.
If you restrict unskilled migration, those wages will rise as a result.
Those are mutually exclusive statements.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
amusingduck said:
That's exactly what it means
Why are you paid more than a barista? Moral reasons?
I wouldn't wipe someones arse for £100,000 pa.Why are you paid more than a barista? Moral reasons?
Does that make the job worth more than £100,000 pa?
There are a lot of people being paid far more than they are worth because ??
Elysium said:
The care services your Dad received will start to be automated in the relatively near future.
This article refers to an ONS analysis that home carers face a 50% probability that their jobs will be automated.
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-...
As you have already said, this work is currently being done by low paid immigrants. So the unintended consequence of this policy may well be increased healthcare costs, earlier implementation of automation and ultimately a reduction in the number of jobs in the sector.
I find it hard to see how in the near future (10 years) automation will help the physical care of the growing elderly population at home. Monitoring perhaps? This article refers to an ONS analysis that home carers face a 50% probability that their jobs will be automated.
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-...
As you have already said, this work is currently being done by low paid immigrants. So the unintended consequence of this policy may well be increased healthcare costs, earlier implementation of automation and ultimately a reduction in the number of jobs in the sector.
Having been involved in a greater and lesser extent for both my late parents, care is care - it needs to be done in person. My mother had almost 24 hour care in the end. It was highly skilled, but massively underpaid and undervalued.
Perhaps the Government will recognise this and find the resources to fund it properly.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
powerstroke said:
It does if you can't find anyone to do it for less !!
There are a lot of people being paid far more than they are worth because ??
There are people willing to do it, just not those born here.There are a lot of people being paid far more than they are worth because ??
I'm sure we could find someone to do your job for less ...
Stay in Bed Instead said:
powerstroke said:
It does if you can't find anyone to do it for less !!
There are a lot of people being paid far more than they are worth because ??
There are people willing to do it, just not those born here.There are a lot of people being paid far more than they are worth because ??
The next step in all of this will be reform of the benefits system.
You also asked who would pay for it. The answer is consumers of the services.
There's a vague argument to say that those consumers should (word chosen carefully) eventually have more money to spend as their tax bill drops due to less in work benefits being paid out.
I accept that this is unlikely as the money is likely to be wasted and/or spent on other services that a govt should be supplying. But the fact is, IMO, govt should not be being used to prop up the price of a latte through subsidised wages.
Of course if you disagree you can get out of bed in 5yrs and vote for a different party. Trouble there is that no matter how much Labour are currently squawking, there is no way they will change these policies - they're like Labour did with higher rate tax.
I haven't read thru the thread, so forgive me if this point has been made, but Priti Vacant has said that unemployed British citizens can be trained up to do the jobs of foreign unskilled workers. Which begs the question, if the jobs are unskilled, why would they need training up?
It seems to me unskilled is a rather insulting term for low paid, and the 2 are very different. I couldn't change 20 king sized duvet covers on my own in an hour, it takes me 20 mins to do my own! And then I find it's inside out! Or the f
king cat is in it.
I think the passage of time will show that many of these unskilled jobs are actually quite highly skilled, and we will struggle to find people who are prepared to learn the skill set for the money on offer.
It seems to me unskilled is a rather insulting term for low paid, and the 2 are very different. I couldn't change 20 king sized duvet covers on my own in an hour, it takes me 20 mins to do my own! And then I find it's inside out! Or the f
king cat is in it. I think the passage of time will show that many of these unskilled jobs are actually quite highly skilled, and we will struggle to find people who are prepared to learn the skill set for the money on offer.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I haven't read thru the thread, so forgive me if this point has been made, but Priti Vacant has said that unemployed British citizens can be trained up to do the jobs of foreign unskilled workers. Which begs the question, if the jobs are unskilled, why would they need training up?
It seems to me unskilled is a rather insulting term for low paid, and the 2 are very different. I couldn't change 20 king sized duvet covers on my own in an hour, it takes me 20 mins to do my own! And then I find it's inside out! Or the fking cat is in it.
I think the passage of time will show that many of these unskilled jobs are actually quite highly skilled, and we will struggle to find people who are prepared to learn the skill set for the money on offer.
Is that the same Priti Vacant who is leading the war on counter terrorism? It seems to me unskilled is a rather insulting term for low paid, and the 2 are very different. I couldn't change 20 king sized duvet covers on my own in an hour, it takes me 20 mins to do my own! And then I find it's inside out! Or the f
king cat is in it. I think the passage of time will show that many of these unskilled jobs are actually quite highly skilled, and we will struggle to find people who are prepared to learn the skill set for the money on offer.
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