Thoughts on the Hyundai IONIQ Hatch 5D Electric?

Thoughts on the Hyundai IONIQ Hatch 5D Electric?

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Cfboys

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104 posts

70 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Have come across a great deal on a new Hyundai IONIQ Hatch Electric via work scheme - for 24 months

Coming from a 225XE

Any thoughts? comfort? ride? downsides?

kuro68k

868 posts

51 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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It's a nice car. Very low like the Model 3 for efficiency so check that you are okay with that.

dmsims

6,515 posts

267 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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kuro68k said:
It's a nice car. Very low like the Model 3 for efficiency so check that you are okay with that.
Bizarre, it's still 50mm taller than a Mini

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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This the new 38kwh one? Decent cars, charges slower than the old one though (on fast charger )

jjwilde

1,904 posts

96 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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It's also quite slow for an EV isn't it and yet still not as efficient as the Tesla M3.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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I'm assuming its cheaper though and potentially available before May/June

kuro68k

868 posts

51 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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dmsims said:
Bizarre, it's still 50mm taller than a Mini
Not bizarre, just to do with the location of the battery. Under the floor means that the floor has to come up a bit to maintain ground clearance. Actually both the Ioniq and Model 3 have quite low ground clearance as well as a raised floor.

Anyway that raised floor means that the space between the floor and ceiling is reduced too. I haven't been in a new Mini ever so I can't comment but compared to say a Leaf or i3 or Niro etc they are both quite small with a low driving position. I think the driving position is because they are more recumbent than cars that let you sit more upright to take advantage of that extra space between floor and roof.

kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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jjwilde said:
It's also quite slow for an EV isn't it and yet still not as efficient as the Tesla M3.
From what I've read of real-world range tests, the latter part of that is not true in practice. The Ioniq seems to pretty consistantly come top when journalists measure real-world miles/kwh. Usually followed up by other cars from the Hyundai/Kia stable.

A900ss

3,248 posts

152 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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kambites said:
jjwilde said:
It's also quite slow for an EV isn't it and yet still not as efficient as the Tesla M3.
From what I've read of real-world range tests, the latter part of that is not true in practice. The Ioniq seems to pretty consistantly come top when journalists measure real-world miles/kwh. Usually followed up by other cars from the Hyundai/Kia stable.
I’ve just moved to a 28 Ioniq from a Leaf and it’s at least 20% more efficient but it could even be 30% more efficient than the Leaf at motorway speeds.

Cfboys

Original Poster:

104 posts

70 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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RobDickinson said:
This the new 38kwh one? Decent cars, charges slower than the old one though (on fast charger )
Yes the newest 38kwh delivery in May. Premium SE version

aestetix1

868 posts

51 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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In some ways the older one is actually better. It charges faster so on a very long trip it's a bit quicker overall. But for anything else the bigger battery will be a winner.

kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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aestetix1 said:
In some ways the older one is actually better. It charges faster so on a very long trip it's a bit quicker overall. But for anything else the bigger battery will be a winner.
Why on earth does the older car charge faster? I can't understand it being faster in percentage terms, but in absolute terms?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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I'm, assuming compromise in the cooling system by fitting more cells etc.

It charges at a lower kW.

It works out better for trips you'd have to charge in the old one but not in the new, but worse for longer road trips

A900ss

3,248 posts

152 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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kambites said:
aestetix1 said:
In some ways the older one is actually better. It charges faster so on a very long trip it's a bit quicker overall. But for anything else the bigger battery will be a winner.
Why on earth does the older car charge faster? I can't understand it being faster in percentage terms, but in absolute terms?
The 28 charges up to 70kw vs the newer version only up to 50kw.

So it charges in % terms and absolute terms quicker. The 28 is one of the faster charging EV’s excluding Tesla until fairly recently.

Even on a 50kw charger, the 28 will charge faster and for higher up the battery SOC than the 38




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kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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Curious, although the lack of chargers which can feed over 50kw at the moment I suppose makes it something of a moot point.

A900ss

3,248 posts

152 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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kambites said:
Curious, although the lack of chargers which can feed over 50kw at the moment I suppose makes it something of a moot point.
Even sticking to 50kw chargers, the 28 charges faster and for longer (higher up the SOC).

More and more 150kw chargers are now being installed which will give the older car more options going forward.

However, if I had the choice of a 50 or a 150, I think I’d still wait the extra few minutes with my 28 unless I was really in a hurry as I guess the slower charge will be less stressful in the battery.

DSLiverpool

14,740 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Its a small low car, we had the hybrid so can't comment on power train but as a car, I didn't like it. Also had a Leaf and Zoe, she now has a Quashqai but will go Model Y when available.

Pica-Pica

13,771 posts

84 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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DSLiverpool said:
Its a small low car, we had the hybrid so can't comment on power train but as a car, I didn't like it. Also had a Leaf and Zoe, she now has a Quashqai but will go Model Y when available.
It is not a small low car! I came back from a shop to find one parked next to my BMW F30 335d. I was quite surprised at the height. The waist rail is higher too, which adds to that impression.
Dimensions in mm.
F30: L= 4633; W+ mirrors=2031; W minus mirrors=1811; height=1434
Ioniq: L= 4470; W+ mirrors=2045; W minus mirrors=1820; height=1450

Those width and height dimensions may seem only a small increase, but the style of the Ioniq makes it seem quite bulky and certainly not sleek next to the F30,

dmsims

6,515 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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But compared to a BUFF Gashqai ..........

DSLiverpool

14,740 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Pica-Pica said:
It is not a small low car! I came back from a shop to find one parked next to my BMW F30 335d. I was quite surprised at the height. The waist rail is higher too, which adds to that impression.
Dimensions in mm.
F30: L= 4633; W+ mirrors=2031; W minus mirrors=1811; height=1434
Ioniq: L= 4470; W+ mirrors=2045; W minus mirrors=1820; height=1450

Those width and height dimensions may seem only a small increase, but the style of the Ioniq makes it seem quite bulky and certainly not sleek next to the F30,
We owned one, it replaced a Zoe and was smaller inside. Dash was made of a weird cardboard type stuff.