No More Coal !

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Scotty2

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1,265 posts

265 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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WTAF do these policy making people think that banning coal for domestic use will go down with the non urban population?
Do any of them ever leave the city?
In rural areas it is still very common to have an open fire and or solid fuel heating. What will happen to the local coal merchant?
Heritage railways e.t.c.
I have a "Stanley" solid fuel burner which I use in the colder winter months and it cuts down my waste as I can burn a lot of it.

This will not go down well in the rural areas.

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The changes will mean:

Sales of bagged traditional house coal will be phased out by February 2021, and the sale of loose coal direct to customers will end by 2023

Edited by Scotty2 on Friday 21st February 10:19

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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For anyone wondering wtf he's talking about

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51581817


Murph7355

37,646 posts

255 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Scotty2 said:
WTAF do these policy making people think that banning coal for domestic use will go down with the non urban population?
Do any of them ever leave the city?
In rural areas it is still very common to have an open fire and or solid fuel heating. What will happen to the local coal merchant?
Heritage railways e.t.c.
I have a "Stanley" solid fuel burner which I use in the colder winter months and it cuts down my waste as I can burn a lot of it.

This will not go down well in the rural areas.
Do you happen to have loads of waste coal lying around then?

Seriously though, how many people rely on coal for domestic heating? We use wood in our burner (and any numpty knows it needs to be seasoned).

Old railways? I would be would get an exemption. At least for a while. But one assumes there are likely to be alternatives that could be used??

Agammemnon

1,628 posts

57 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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It does seem to be a virtue-signalling gesture rather than a meaningful way of progressing.

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Murph7355 said:
Do you happen to have loads of waste coal lying around then?
Waste coal? We still get loose coal delivered by a proper coal man - still a thing, certainly up north (as is the milkman and indeed, as it's Friday, the fish man).

Agammemnon

1,628 posts

57 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Dog Star said:
as it's Friday, the fish man
What does he do for the other days of the week?

Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Agammemnon said:
What does he do for the other days of the week?
I assume he visits different areas as he comes all the way from Fleetwood which is a good 50 miles away.

super7

1,922 posts

207 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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People have been burning wood, on every continent, in every country, since humans discovered fire..... WTAF do they think they're going to achieve.

Banning the the burning of coal and wood is going to add 1/2hr to the average lifespan of a human????

The amount of pollution coming of a domestic fire must be completely insignificant to a bonfire, a barbecue, a forest fire, or half of australia going up in flames.

Get real......

Sheepshanks

32,519 posts

118 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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I read that particulate pollution in parts of London is worse from wood burners than from diesel vehicles. The three houses opposite ours have wood burners and on still evenings it stings your eyes outside.

Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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super7 said:
People have been burning wood, on every continent, in every country, since humans discovered fire..... WTAF do they think they're going to achieve.

Banning the the burning of coal and wood is going to add 1/2hr to the average lifespan of a human????

The amount of pollution coming of a domestic fire must be completely insignificant to a bonfire, a barbecue, a forest fire, or half of australia going up in flames.

Get real......
It's such a load of old bks, isn't it. The other cracker today is that Heathrow Airport is going to be carbon neutral by 2030 or some such. Wow! Impressive, eh? But no - it doesn't actually include planes, which is what people actually think about when they thing of airports and pollution. Neither does it include retailers in there, or runway construction.

So it's actually a load of lip-service, headline making utter tosh, like the rest of all this carbon rubbish that keeps coming out. Do they think the public are all thick as mince?

louiechevy

644 posts

192 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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They have only banned the fuel, as in wet wood and coal. You can still have an open fire or a wood burner you just need to burn dry wood or a coal alternative.

Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Sheepshanks said:
I read that particulate pollution in parts of London is worse from wood burners than from diesel vehicles. The three houses opposite ours have wood burners and on still evenings it stings your eyes outside.
And as usual the solution for London/south east - whether or not it is needed or appropriate - is wheeled out to the rest of the UK. rolleyes

Scotty2

Original Poster:

1,265 posts

265 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Coal Alternative!!

FFS.

A sure vote loser from all in the countryside.

Nothing better than the smell of a good log fire




Edited by Jack Mansfield on Friday 21st February 11:15

Roofless Toothless

5,609 posts

131 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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super7 said:
People have been burning wood, on every continent, in every country, since humans discovered fire..... WTAF do they think they're going to achieve.

Banning the the burning of coal and wood is going to add 1/2hr to the average lifespan of a human????

The amount of pollution coming of a domestic fire must be completely insignificant to a bonfire, a barbecue, a forest fire, or half of australia going up in flames.

Get real......
Shhhh! Don't mention barbecues!

Is this bad news for the kipper trade?

I have a log burner and I use seasoned hardwood. From a quick Google it looks like kiln dried stuff will cost at least 25% more, if you can find it.

Mrs and me are both over 70 now and we feel the cold in the evenings. Our log burner is a god send. The warmth also shuts down the central heating, so less gas used. Great planning - discourage renewables and increase fossil fuel demand.




Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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I was going to ask if this was for environment; reasons and then read the article.

Still no problem, with China and many other countries burning even greater amounts of coal to power their economies, as far as the effect on the environment that this will have, the UK can at least say it did its (microscopic) bit for the environment. smile

Eric Mc

121,768 posts

264 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Yes - I only do old style charcoal BBQs. Will we be arrested for lighting up the barbie?

super7

1,922 posts

207 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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We get our wood from a local tree guy who delivers it in the back of a truck. We then chuck it in the garage for a year to season. Why do I need to buy it already dried in a kiln, which no doubt burns something to generate the heat to dry it out and which we need to pay for!

We make pollution problems for ourselves. Restrict / increase the cost of an indoor fire, we'll just by more kerosine for our boiler to heat the house!

GoodCompany

306 posts

62 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Houses around the UK suddenly heated by extreme cringing.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

197 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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The consultation paper suggests that things like heritage railways won't need an exemption as the intention is only to ban coal for domestic use, and replace it with manufactured alternatives. Not sure where that leaves my hobby blacksmithing. Can I buy it as long as I say it's not for heating? Or can I not buy it unless I have some proof that I'm using it professionally? I expect there will be lots of unintended consequences here. But only for the edge cases, so they won't care. Or will everyone switch to coke?
With regards to kiln dried woods etc, that just adds more pollution as you have to spend the energy to dry the wood. We source most of ours wet and choo and season it ourselves, so is that now going to be banned or do we have to prove that we season it?