Organ donation.
Discussion
Sam.M said:
Agammemnon said:
The whole point is that I shouldn't have to.
But you do, so suck it up buttercup and opt out like a grown up rather than bleating about it here.You can tilt at windmills all you like, it won't change the reality of the situation.
Why so much slating going on? I didnt start this thread to discuss the merits of organ donation, asset grabs or to have it jacked by insults.
Im fine with organ donation ,they can yank my willy off if they want and tape it to a stick if it pleases.
Theres just something not right about presuming consent when its not been asked, I never saw any consultation, as I said it implies ownership. Thin end of a wedge to my mind.
Im fine with organ donation ,they can yank my willy off if they want and tape it to a stick if it pleases.
Theres just something not right about presuming consent when its not been asked, I never saw any consultation, as I said it implies ownership. Thin end of a wedge to my mind.
Let's try and discuss this in motoring terms. Does anyone think that parts from an MOT failure should never be used on another vehicle because the dead car should be 'left in peace'? A dead person is no more alive than a car. The distinction that some are drawing here between actual death and 'not quite death but 100% inevitable death' to try and justify not saving someone else's life is spurious to put it mildly.
Blackpuddin said:
Let's try and discuss this in motoring terms. Does anyone think that parts from an MOT failure should never be used on another vehicle because the dead car should be 'left in peace'? A dead person is no more alive than a car. The distinction that some are drawing here between actual death and 'not quite death but 100% inevitable death' to try and justify not saving someone else's life is spurious to put it mildly.
Fair comment. If your car fails its MoT I'll take what I want for mine without bothering to ask. 
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Agammemnon said:
I have done. Do authorities not realise that they would catch more bees with honey than with vinegar?
Unfortunately they won't.They know that public inertia will result in greater availability.
Next will be having to renew your opt out periodically.
There will always have been those who meant to get around to being an organ donor but never quite organised it, and they will very possibly have been the majority of the population. I'm as guilty of that as anyone - I've been a donor for years, but only because my wife registered both of us.
I think most would far prefer to have to opt out, rather than opt in. In a modern, unsupersitious society, it's common sense.
Digga said:
I think most would far prefer to have to opt out, rather than opt in. In a modern, unsupersitious society, it's common sense.
I would prefer freedom of choice.I don't see it as common sense, I see it as inflicting one's views (however laudable) on others.
Edited by Agammemnon on Tuesday 25th February 16:18
Agammemnon said:
Blackpuddin said:
Let's try and discuss this in motoring terms. Does anyone think that parts from an MOT failure should never be used on another vehicle because the dead car should be 'left in peace'? A dead person is no more alive than a car. The distinction that some are drawing here between actual death and 'not quite death but 100% inevitable death' to try and justify not saving someone else's life is spurious to put it mildly.
Fair comment. If your car fails its MoT I'll take what I want for mine without bothering to ask. Blackpuddin said:
Agammemnon said:
Blackpuddin said:
Let's try and discuss this in motoring terms. Does anyone think that parts from an MOT failure should never be used on another vehicle because the dead car should be 'left in peace'? A dead person is no more alive than a car. The distinction that some are drawing here between actual death and 'not quite death but 100% inevitable death' to try and justify not saving someone else's life is spurious to put it mildly.
Fair comment. If your car fails its MoT I'll take what I want for mine without bothering to ask. Agammemnon said:
Digga said:
I think most would far prefer to have to opt out, rather than opt in. In a modern, unsupersitious society, it's common sense.
I would prefer freedom of choice.I don't see it as common sense, I see it as inflicting one's views (however laudable) on others.
It is in everyone's interest to organise the system better. Even if you don't want to be a donor or recipient, you still benefit from a better organised health service.
Agammemnon said:
Blackpuddin said:
Agammemnon said:
Blackpuddin said:
Let's try and discuss this in motoring terms. Does anyone think that parts from an MOT failure should never be used on another vehicle because the dead car should be 'left in peace'? A dead person is no more alive than a car. The distinction that some are drawing here between actual death and 'not quite death but 100% inevitable death' to try and justify not saving someone else's life is spurious to put it mildly.
Fair comment. If your car fails its MoT I'll take what I want for mine without bothering to ask. It's a pity that your thinking on the core topic is so shallow. The bigger shame is that you are not alone. As a direct result of such lazy thinking thousands of people are suffering or dying needlessly.
Digga said:
People die for the lack of donated organs. The NHS wastes valuable time treating people in dire need of said organs.
It is in everyone's interest to organise the system better. Even if you don't want to be a donor or recipient, you still benefit from a better organised health service.
I accept every word of that.It is in everyone's interest to organise the system better. Even if you don't want to be a donor or recipient, you still benefit from a better organised health service.
Nevertheless, anyone trying to argue from a "moral" viewpoint is ignoring the morality of freedom of the individual in favour of tyranny of the majority.
My position will remain that they have the ability to ask me nicely & should either do so or accept me making an uncoerced decision or FRO.
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