Leon Briggs Death in custody misconduct hearing collapses.

Leon Briggs Death in custody misconduct hearing collapses.

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davidball

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731 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-her...

Leon Briggs died in police custody in November 2013.

The Bedfordshire Police Federation blame the IOPC for the collapse of the misconduct hearing. The IOPC did not exist until 2018. Who was investigating the police officers in the 5 years prior to that?

It has been seven years since Mr. Briggs death. Who delayed the hearings and why?

The IOPC report that "Bedfordshire Police’s announcement earlier this week that it would offer no evidence to its disciplinary panel means that the hearing had no prospect of proceeding."

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/response-end...

Police immunity in action again.

I wonder if the investigation into the killing of Sean Fitzgerald will take as long and be just as ineffective.





Drumroll

3,754 posts

120 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Her we go again the Belgian living Brit, has another moan about the UK police.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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OP, you appear to have a problem and should perhaps seek some therapy. Your obsession cannot be good for your health.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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I am sure that the troll knows very well that the IOPC was preceded by the IPCC.

Greendubber

13,168 posts

203 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Great, David has returned.

kestral

1,732 posts

207 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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There should be an inquiry. It''s wrong for the police not to offer any evidence therfore collapsing the enquiry.

The public have a right to know that deaths in police custody are scrutinised.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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IIRC, the inquest has not yet been completed. There will therefore be an enhanced inquest into the death, with a jury, and a narrative verdict.

The State's obligation under the EHRC to guarantee the right to life includes an obligation on the State to investigate deaths after police contact. Thus in every such case the inquest is an enhanced inquest, and a jury is always empanelled.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th February 20:02

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

170 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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David, you're back!!!!

Oh how we've missed you!

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anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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The adult care team have left the Wi-Fi password out again.


7 years to get to this stage for something that isn't that complicated. 6 years to find out they wouldn't be prosecuted and still the inquest to go.

What a disgrace.

There have been police officers suspended on full pay for all that time. Officers who've been unable to progress their careers due to the IPCC / IPOC taking 7 years.




Greendubber

13,168 posts

203 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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kestral said:
There should be an inquiry. It''s wrong for the police not to offer any evidence therfore collapsing the enquiry.

The public have a right to know that deaths in police custody are scrutinised.
Officers were not on the block for causing his death, all the evidence had previously been reviewed.

This investigation was an allegation into their professional behaviour, IPCC/IOPC royally fked up disclosure during their 6 year merry go round cluster fk of an investigation meaning they wouldn't have had a fair misconduct hearing.

CharlesdeGaulle

26,235 posts

180 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Alucidnation said:
David, you're back!!!!

Oh how we've missed you!

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David and kestral; the dream team.

CoolHands

18,596 posts

195 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Whatever the rights & wrongs how the fk can it take 6 years+. It’s ludicrous.

Cads

203 posts

72 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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And IIRC the legally qualified chair has ordered an investigation into the IOPC over their absolute cluster of an investigation.
Quite who investigates an independent body I have no idea.

If the police had taken 6 years to investigate what was a simple offence, heads would rightly roll.

The 6 officers will no doubt have strong grounds for compensation, and rightly so.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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I did some work with the IPCC and they were not great but were OK-ish, but then for some reason the IPCC was binned and replaced by the IOPC. As usual, there were staff losses, and losses of institutional memory. Governments do love to reorganise regulators for no good reason. It's especially bad with NHS regulators.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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I think one of the mistakes they made was no longer (or minimising) the recruitment of ex-police officers.

Instinctively you think there’d be a conflict of interest, but the quality of investigation between internal investigations and the IPOC is night and day for less serious matters, from my experience.

My impression was the more serious matters are performed well (such as shootings), but this death in custody is clearly a serious matter and appears to have been mishandled.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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The IPCC had ex police investigators when I did some stuff with them. I have had no dealings with the IPOC.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th February 22:43

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Me neither, when I write “IPOC” I mean it to encompass “IPCC” as well, as from what I can see it wasn’t much more than a rebranding exercise.

The legislative changes to their powers over time are far more significant.

davidball

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731 posts

202 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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La Liga said:
Me neither, when I write “IPOC” I mean it to encompass “IPCC” as well, as from what I can see it wasn’t much more than a rebranding exercise.

The legislative changes to their powers over time are far more significant.
Obviously not significant enough yet, if they ever will be.

davidball

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731 posts

202 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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La Liga said:
The adult care team have left the Wi-Fi password out again.


7 years to get to this stage for something that isn't that complicated. 6 years to find out they wouldn't be prosecuted and still the inquest to go.

What a disgrace.

There have been police officers suspended on full pay for all that time. Officers who've been unable to progress their careers due to the IPCC / IPOC taking 7 years.
I agree it is a disgrace. Those officers should have been sacked within the first year.

BTW your lack of IT systems knowledge is pitiful. As is the level of your sarcasm. You need to step up your game.

Greendubber

13,168 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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davidball said:
I agree it is a disgrace. Those officers should have been sacked within the first year.
Don't worry about evidence or anything like that....