The “anti-Greta”

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GroundZero

2,085 posts

54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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El stovey said:
All paid for by the heartland institute
Is this a problem?

The left wing have their finance streams and obviously so do the right wing.
As has been well established, the topic of man made global warming is nothing but politics and agenda.

As one side pushes the narrative that the earth only has 11.5 years left, the other side will rise by a similar amount to put forward the case as to why its all bullshine.

Politics.


Silkyskills

201 posts

52 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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stew-STR160 said:
To point out again for the hard of thinking faith members, this girl was posting her videos and such BEFORE Heartland or anyone else chose to step in.

Which I believe is much like Greta, which you lot want to defend as if she's an actual holy person.
Isn't that 'whataboutism'?

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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stew-STR160 said:
To point out again for the hard of thinking faith members, this girl was posting her videos and such BEFORE Heartland or anyone else chose to step in.

Which I believe is much like Greta, which you lot want to defend as if she's an actual holy person.
When did she start posting videos and when did the heartland Institute get involved?

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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GroundZero said:
El stovey said:
All paid for by the heartland institute
Is this a problem?

The left wing have their finance streams and obviously so do the right wing.
As has been well established, the topic of man made global warming is nothing but politics and agenda.

As one side pushes the narrative that the earth only has 11.5 years left, the other side will rise by a similar amount to put forward the case as to why its all bullshine.

Politics.
But on one side there’s the scientific consensus and every notable scientific organisation on the planet and the vast majority of scientists and on the other there’s advocacy blogs and youtubers paid for by the heartland institute.

Which one seems to be the more likely to be right?

oyster

12,585 posts

248 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Getragdogleg said:
The climate change message is utterly negative the whole way through, not a single benefit is allowed to be discussed.

Any person or organisation who offers a different view to that being pushed is criticised and called a denier or far right.

This is a thread started by a true believer to try and establish that this girl is "far right" so therefore bad, and spread yet more negativity.

What the hell are you doing here? On this forum? Really.

It's no wonder accusations of paid shill and shift work gets thrown at you guys, it's weird and most free thinkers can see right through you.
It's interesting that you extol the virtues of free thinking, yet in the very preceding sentence question why someone of different opinion should be on this forum.

So is free thinking only allowed if it's the same type of thinking you have?

JagLover

42,356 posts

235 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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El stovey said:
But on one side there’s the scientific consensus and every notable scientific organisation on the planet and the vast majority of scientists and on the other there’s advocacy blogs and youtubers paid for by the heartland institute.

Which one seems to be the more likely to be right?
There's scientific consensus that the world is about to end?

Silkyskills

201 posts

52 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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JagLover said:
There's scientific consensus that the world is about to end?
Is there?

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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JagLover said:
El stovey said:
But on one side there’s the scientific consensus and every notable scientific organisation on the planet and the vast majority of scientists and on the other there’s advocacy blogs and youtubers paid for by the heartland institute.

Which one seems to be the more likely to be right?
There's scientific consensus that the world is about to end?
No, not that I’ve seen. I think you’re describing the extreme end of the debate. The scientific consensus is about the IPCCs position. Which is quite different from some of the more extreme predictions from people like XR.

Just as on the sceptic side positions vary from it’s all a made up lefty plot to people believing in man made climate change and just arguing about the extent of it and likely outcome.

156651

11,574 posts

85 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Jasandjules said:
I saw something about this, however surely this is simply the same issue with Greta - a child who has no actual knowledge on the subject and thus is neither expert nor educated on the matter. Which then begs the question as to why anyone should pay any attention to what they say..
Climate change deniers don't pay any attention to what educated adult experts with actual knowledge on the subject have to say.

bodhi

10,419 posts

229 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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El stovey said:
GroundZero said:
El stovey said:
All paid for by the heartland institute
Is this a problem?

The left wing have their finance streams and obviously so do the right wing.
As has been well established, the topic of man made global warming is nothing but politics and agenda.

As one side pushes the narrative that the earth only has 11.5 years left, the other side will rise by a similar amount to put forward the case as to why its all bullshine.

Politics.
But on one side there’s the scientific consensus and every notable scientific organisation on the planet and the vast majority of scientists and on the other there’s advocacy blogs and youtubers paid for by the heartland institute.

Which one seems to be the more likely to be right?
Completely ignoring the fact that consensus isn't really a scientific argument, but a political one, anybody who thinks that consensus is genuine and every Climate Scientist agrees is a bit on the dim side - just witness the recent Twitter spats between Mann and Pielke Jr for example, the related ongoing arguments about RCP8.5 etc. It only takes 10 minutes on climate Twitter to see the "consensus" is but a veneer that very easily flakes off, simply if one pipes up that "Sure CC is happening, but it's not going to end the world and isn't worth throwing the baby out with the bathwater over".

Given that the paper that came up with the 97% consensus figure was barely useful to wipe one's ass with, if this consensus idea is the "silver bullet" which makes it all scientific fact, I'd suggest your silver bullet is neither silver, nor a bullet.

More of a nothing burger tbh.

/me awaits being called something to do with tights.

jshell

11,006 posts

205 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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156651 said:
Jasandjules said:
I saw something about this, however surely this is simply the same issue with Greta - a child who has no actual knowledge on the subject and thus is neither expert nor educated on the matter. Which then begs the question as to why anyone should pay any attention to what they say..
Climate change deniers don't pay any attention to what educated adult experts with actual knowledge on the subject have to say.
Other way about, they're the only ones asking pertinent questions of the self-congratualting scientists...

Vanden Saab

13,998 posts

74 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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El stovey said:
But on one side there’s the scientific consensus and every notable scientific organisation on the planet and the vast majority of scientists and on the other there’s advocacy blogs and youtubers paid for by the heartland institute.

Which one seems to be the more likely to be right?
Only 11.5 years before we find out / freeze to death...

jshell

11,006 posts

205 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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GoodCompany said:
This is being conveniently ignored by the anti Greta lot. They haven't got a jot of self awareness.


Nice. Do you know who this is? Maybe not, this is John Cook who runs/owns Skeptical Science website of true climadoom belief... This is his rendition of himself as a Nazi - thouh the've changed the cap badge. Note the name bottom left though...

http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/03/truth-abo...




Nexus Icon

552 posts

61 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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jshell said:
Nice. Do you know who this is? Maybe not, this is John Cook who runs/owns Skeptical Science website of true climadoom belief... This is his rendition of himself as a Nazi - thouh the've changed the cap badge. Note the name bottom left though...

http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/03/truth-abo...



That's David Mitchell..

Sophisticated Sarah

15,077 posts

169 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Vanden Saab said:
El stovey said:
But on one side there’s the scientific consensus and every notable scientific organisation on the planet and the vast majority of scientists and on the other there’s advocacy blogs and youtubers paid for by the heartland institute.

Which one seems to be the more likely to be right?
Only 11.5 years before we find out / freeze to death...
I thought that was 20 years ago? Or was that sea levels?

Digga

40,293 posts

283 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Sophisticated Sarah said:
Vanden Saab said:
El stovey said:
But on one side there’s the scientific consensus and every notable scientific organisation on the planet and the vast majority of scientists and on the other there’s advocacy blogs and youtubers paid for by the heartland institute.

Which one seems to be the more likely to be right?
Only 11.5 years before we find out / freeze to death...
I thought that was 20 years ago? Or was that sea levels?
I think it's the DFS sale.

budgie smuggler

5,370 posts

159 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Getragdogleg said:
Its not down to us and our tiny co2 emissions.
What's 33 gigatonnes a year between friends?

jshell

11,006 posts

205 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Well, man made CO2 is falling now...

amusingduck

9,396 posts

136 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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budgie smuggler said:
Getragdogleg said:
Its not down to us and our tiny co2 emissions.
What's 33 gigatonnes a year between friends?
About 1%, IIRC.

AmosMoses

4,040 posts

165 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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This can only end in a pay per view MMA fight laugh